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RICHARD COSGRAVE WAS “sickened to his stomach” when he opened his first pay cheque upon his return to Ireland, after four years spent teaching in the United Arab Emirates.
The chemistry teacher who was working in his native Dungarvan, Co Waterford discovered that his time abroad was not recognised by the Department of Education here.
“I graduated in 2012 and tried to get a job here in Ireland and could not, so I took a job in a private school in UAE and gave four years there,” he said.
Speaking to The Journal at the ASTI annual conference, he recounted taking the “first opportunity” he could to come home and returned to Dungarvan to take up a role at St Augustine’s College.
Cosgrave had met his wife, a Canadian and fellow teacher, while in UAE and returned to Ireland with her to raise a family.
However, after receiving his first pay cheque back in the Irish system, Cosgrave found that he was down approximately €5,000 per year on what he had thought he was due to earn.
Chemistry teacher Richard Cosgrave
“I really was shocked. My wife who taught in the same school as me was able to qualify [for the additional payment in recognition of her years of teaching] despite training originally in the Canadian system, but the key difference was she was a primary school teacher and I was a secondary school teacher.
“The thing is, I know other teachers who are still in UAE who want to come home but are afraid of what they’ll miss out on if they don’t qualify for the incremental credit.”
The incremental credit payment is given to teachers in recognition of their ‘relevant’ years of teaching service.
The annual conference of the Association of Secondary Teachers in Ireland in Wexford heard that Cosgrave was just one of many teachers whose time spent teaching abroad has seen them lose out on thousands of euro, because the Department of Education does not recognise overseas teaching in various different settings.
A 500-strong gathering of teachers and ASTI union delegates in Clayton Whites Hotel heard from different speakers that current situation is “discouraging” teachers from coming home as they may not earn as much as they would have expected to, despite having “broadened their horizons” by teaching abroad in non-EU countries such as in the Middle East and Australia.
The incremental credit payment also impacts pay for teachers who had worked in private schools in different parts of Europe and elsewhere, the conference heard.
In Cosgrave’s case, he found he could not appeal the decision to the Teacher Conciliation Council, which he had expected would handle issues like this. The group comprises representatives of teachers, school management, the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, and the Department of Education.
The issue is particularly significant given the current shortage of teachers: according to figures from the INTO, there were more than 2,000 long-term vacancies in teaching at the start of this academic year. Meanwhile, it estimates that more than 4,800 Irish teachers are working abroad.
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Education Minister Norma Foley has warned against making it “overly attractive” for teachers to work abroad – but signalled on Tuesday morning that she was happy for the issue to be “looked at” through the Teacher Conciliation Council.
Wexford conference
The ASTI overwhelmingly voted on Tuesday to demand that “all years of teaching service abroad in recognised second-level schools” shall be included in the calculation of incremental credit for salaries.
It was slammed by one speaker as an “appalling” example of “inequality rearing its ugly head” in the profession.
Union delegates in Wexford today.
Michael McGrath, also from Cosgrave’s Dungarvan branch of the union, recounted to the hall of the “incredible difference” facing one teacher who had spent ten years teaching in Australia.
He found the teacher was down €17,000 a year compared to where they would have been if they had stayed in Ireland.
“But what’s happening now is that some of them financially cannot afford to live in Ireland. They’re going abroad again. That’s the madness of it,” McGrath added.
‘Overly attractive’ remarks draw ire
Education Minister Norma Foley’s comments earlier yesterday morning on RTÉ Radio One, where she outlined that she doesn’t want to make it “overly attractive” to Irish teachers to work abroad, drew ire from ASTI members.
“There’s a fine line we walk here in terms of the push and pull factors,” Foley had said.
“I’m conscious that from a primary school perspective, teachers who are working in non-EU countries, their services are recognised.
“Equally so, we have to be cognizant of making it overly attractive, for those going abroad and ensuring that there is a fairness to the 75,000 who are actually currently working here at home as well,” Foley added.
Cosgrave pointed to these comments when speaking to The Journal, saying that he could not “grasp the logic” of the minister and department’s reluctance to recognise overseas service when primary teachers’ experiences are recognised.
Pat Knightly, who has been working for 30 years at St Augustine’s in Dungarvan as a special needs teacher, said there was “no resentment” among the profession against teachers working abroad.
“There are 75,000 teachers in Ireland and I really think the only teacher who isn’t in favour of recognising teaching abroad is the minister herself,” Knightly told The Journal.
“But we as teachers have to pick up the slack from not being able to get other qualified teachers to take classes.”
One of the biggest applauses of the first day of the ASTI conference went to Mark Walsh, a teacher from the union’s Dublin North East branch, who asked what made locations such as Dubai “overly attractive” in the first place.
“The reason is because between 2010 and 2022 there was a systematic destruction of teachers’ pay and conditions. The chickens have come to roost. The minster is reaping what she – or the previous government – sowed,” Walsh told the room.
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@cryptodon: you can beat a dog to death in front of a park full of children in Ireland and you won’t even get jail time, hell the judge won’t even ban you from owning any dogs in future!
“One witness saw Liam Dowling (44) swing the Jack Russell dog overhead by its lead and smash it to the ground up to 30 times as he crossed a park area by Clonliffe College.”
“He said he would not impose a ban on Dowling keeping animals, as he didn’t want to deprive the man’s child of having a dog.”
Given the high dogh ownership in Ireland you’d think there would be at least strict setencing for beating a dog to death in such a monsterous way, so there’s zero chance the owner of this horse will be held responsible sadly.
@Lindsey O Connor: although judicial discretion is enshrined in our constitution there are times when one has to question that discretion……whilst he may assidiously apply the letter of the law when it comes to discretionary matters you have to ask questions
I am a real animal lover. What happened Tue horse is terrible. The commenters here though are trying to vilify the owner. There’s a possibility this was just an accident. It’s a young enough horse. It may have slipped on newly disturbed mud and gotten caught. There was a lot of rain lately. Also, the fall might have spooked the animal and caused him to panic. Up to the incident he may have been galloping around a fifty acre field. Don’t vilify the owner on public social forums until you know the facts. Nothing in the article refers to cruelty. The owner might have been away…
@Shane McGrath: of course it could have been an accident but it’s simply not good enough to put a horse in a field at this time of the year without at least a rug and some supplementary feed and it should be checked on twice a day. Horse does look thin and neglected have to say even before the supposed accident.
@Shane McGrath: I hope you don’t own too many animals. The owner is responsible for its care even if he was away. Animals out on grass should be looked at twice a day especially this time of year. Gates should be secure so they dont fall down, and horses especially should have companions keep them calm and stop them doing stupid things like fooling around gates.
@Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin: of course there is evidence of neglect where is the owner? Horse there for hours. No microchip. No responsibility. Maybe you should read the article again or go to the MLHR Facebook page so you can see the evidence of neglect there. And take your blinkers off.
@wondermiss: Climb down off your pulpit! I’m commenting on the information in the article, which I read carefully, not on any other sources. There is in fact no mention of owners or microchipping so any reference to either is nothing other than conjecture.
@Johnny Rielly: so let’s say the owner was checking on the horse twice a day, that gives the horse 12 hours to get into trouble, which is entirely possible. I had a young horse here a few years ago that did the exact same thing but luckily I heard the racket and got him out before any harm was done. You can’t always blame the owner.
@Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin: look at the horse for god sake, its so thin and dried mud all over it no head collar before it ever had the accident it was neglected
@Loretta stiletto: The majority of good horsepeople won’t leave headcollars on horses wintering away from their property as they’re a safety risk. The mud is clearly as a result of the incident, and even if it has been there longer a bit of mud is no harm. Mine practically swim in it for a hobby! No statement that this young horse is underweight and the fact that the horse is wet is deceptive. My point is people are making stuff up to suit their agenda. It’s incredibly sad and if this turns out to be a case of sheer neglect I’d be the first to condemn it, but knowing just how quickly horses can get themselves into trouble I prefer to react to the facts presented in the article and give the owner the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions.
@Sorcha Ní Shúilleabháin: is that the best you can come up with? Where was the personal insult directed at you. The horse was neglected as far as i am concerned whether you agree or not I really don’t care. The poor thing is dead.
someone must know who owns this poor animal – speak up and name them to the gardai or even the charity ‘my lovely horse’ ! then again it will probably only mean a small fine and a telling off — when it should lead to a ban on keeping ANY animals for life !
My lovely horse rescue are all volunteers. They are the ones pulling horses from canals in the dark, feeding horses in the snow drifts and going out to horrific cruelty day or night. Where are ispca, gardai and dept of agriculture officials, the ones actually paid to protect animals and their welfare?? We need to follow the Netherlands example and bring in dedicated animal welfare police and strict sentencing for cruelty. If you read the post about how the Netherlands now have zero stray dogs on my lovely horse Facebook its amazing. We can stamp out this cruelty, it starts with voting out all the politicians who see no cruelty. Please donate to my lovely horse, they get barely zero help from government but do all the work. Please help horses and lurchers, they are the most abused in Ireland. please feed any horses who need help
People have no idea of the lengths the volunteers, and I stress volunteers, go to to rescue animals. People need to realise that the humans involved see so much trauma and cruelty and as much as the charity need monetary support, they also need emotional and social support. All acts of kindness help to build up resilience..So please support the animals and also the amazing humans who help them
Shocking, all horses are supposed to be micro chipped owner should be charged and jailed. There are no excuses for the conditions this horse was kept in. Disgusting and disgraceful .
Its a sad indictment of this country that we pushed through a bill on Circus animals where no cruelty was apparent but do nothing about this or puppy farms and sulky road racing
@Dnom: there is ALWAYS cruelty involved when ‘training’ wild animals for circuses, it’s against their nature to perform for people so their spirit is broken. On top of that then is the confined spaces, inability to express their natural nature. It’s not a competition, all forms of animal abuse and neglect should be tackled.
And who owns this wonderful animal?? Why was she not missed or checked on?? Have the owners been identified??? Are they going to be prosecuted?? This is disgraceful and pure ANIMAL NEGLECT & CRUELTY. Please punish these owners to the full extent of the law. A HUGE THANK YOU to the rescue group for finding and helping this wonderful animal
Sickening to see ane sickening that nothing will be done about it .
We have no laws in Ireland to protect man or animal you can do what you want it’s a lawless country and it’s the politicians and judges fault who wont enforce the legislation .
The do gooders are always on hand to protect the offenders in this country and God forbid mention the !!!I wont say it or I’ll be accused of been racist . Do what you want in this country but dont get caught with 2 pints worst crime going .
@Michael Mcloughlin: I think the ‘do gooders’ in this case are the volunteers who spent hours of their own time in the cold trying to save this poor animal. How exactly are they being protected? The horse and greyhound industries receive €millions of taxpayers money each year but it’s rescues and volunteers who pick up the pieces when the animals are abused and neglected.
We have animal welfare legislation but until it’s properly enforced this kind of tragedy will continue to happen.
@EillieEs: theres a difference in Ireland in people who do good and do gooders most of the people who will be knocking on doors shortly looking for votes are do gooders
@Michael Mcloughlin: I’ve been ridiculed and called a do-gooder because I think the most vulnerable should be supported and that includes humans and animals
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