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New strategy on bogs "treats science as something to be bargained away"

An Taisce has accused the government of “putting electoral considerations ahead of the needs of Ireland’s young generations”.

AN TAISICE HAS criticised a proposed plan on the management of Ireland’s peatlands, which would allow turf cutting to continue on some bogs previously designated as protected areas.

Yesterday, Minister Jimmy Deenihan published three documents, setting out a long-term vision for the protection of Ireland’s bogs. This includes the de-designation of a number of National Heritage Areas (NHAs) which means turf cutting can continue on 45 sites.

In a statement, An Taisce said the draft “treats science – and the scientific consensus on the future prospects for humanity without action on climate change – as capable of being bargained away, traded against, or ‘balanced’ against other factors”.

“Such a view is the stuff of fantasy.”

The organisation pointed out that bogs are a vital source of carbon and that burning turf “releases far more climate-altering gases than coal”. “Of all fuels, turf is the worst in terms of negatively affecting the climate,” it said.

It accused the government of ignoring both international and domestic scientific advice – from the Environmental Protection Agency – “in trying to accommodate vested interests”.

“The draft is so removed from scientific realities it is a counter-productive document” policy director James Nix said. “And putting electoral considerations ahead of the needs of Ireland’s young generations is similarly counter-productive over the longer term.”

Yesterday, TD Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan also suggested the government had shifted its attitude to turf cutting in a bid to win votes in the upcoming local and European elections, telling TheJournal.ie that “if there was an election every year, there’d never be a ban on turf cutting”.

Related: Government publishes plan to allow turf cutting on more bogs>

Read: Turf cutters dispute latest Deenihan comments on bogs>

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    Mute L ORourke
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:43 AM

    At first I thought who would bother making two trips to the airport! But if you live near the airport and drive your bags the night before,you may be more likely to take public transport the next morning instead of a taxi saving some cash. Or also avoiding extras in a taxi. Not for everyone, but helpful for some.

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    Mute Ted Carroll
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:09 PM

    I’ve just read through it in full and it’s only for those travelling from 6am and 8am the following morning. It’s an odd one, I guess it’s to ease the queues in the morning when they are their peak but I can’t really see it being any kind of game changer for them.

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    Mute Neil Richardson
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:17 AM

    Imagine the stress alleviated for families and large groups being able to dump the bags the night before. Well played Aer Lingus.

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    Mute Bilbo Baggins
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:25 AM

    Nice to see them thinking outside the box. Saw a great idea in Hong Kong, you could check into your flight and check your bags in at the metro station , thought it was a brilliant idea.

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    Mute Emily Elephant
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:24 PM

    Now all we have to do is build a Metro.

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    Mute Chris Mansfield
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:12 PM

    That actually used to be more common. Until the late 90s, you could check in for a flight from Gatwick at Victoria Station. Security concerns saw that kind of service rapidly withdrawn.

    The service in Hong Kong is handy though. I was able to give them my bags at 11am for a flight that was close to midnight.

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    Mute Patrick Gormley
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:45 PM

    You can do the same at British Airways desk at Victoria train station London for years now…

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    Mute Damien Kelly
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:51 PM

    Swiss also offer the same service from mainline stations anywhere in Switzerland. So much more relaxing

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    Mute kat365
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:13 AM

    Cracking idea!

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    Mute cian hennessy
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:18 AM

    Great idea, especially as you could do it for elderly parents or for families with a lot of young kids. One less thing to worry about on the day.

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    Mute Tara
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:23 AM

    Not sure I’d trust that my bags were on the same flight as me the next morning though!!

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    Mute The Polar Bear
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:45 AM

    I hate standing at the baggage belt after arriving wondering will my bag appear!

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    Mute Andrew Telford
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:21 AM

    Great idea… Kudos to Aer Lingus, super handy to drop the bag, stay at an airport hotel and not have to lug it down semi-conscious in the morning. It’s great I can pre-order lunch for the flight now too. Sure it saves them costs and helps customers.

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    Mute Anna Mossiat
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:21 AM

    Good idea if you spend the night close to airport and don’t have to travel from too far away

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    Mute MrMagoo
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:58 AM

    Driving to the airport TWICE to save hassle ????
    Is it April 1st.?

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    Mute Deckav
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:01 PM

    My thoughts exactly Magoo…………

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    Mute Chris Mansfield
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:14 PM

    People who live outside Dublin often stay at airport hotels the night before if they have an early flight. That means just a short walk to the terminal and an easier morning the day after.

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    Mute Amanda Horan
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:24 AM

    Wouldn’t work for me because I the amount if crap I forget and have to put in last minute

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    Mute john lydon
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:19 AM

    Thinking ourside the box!

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    Mute Paddy Reid
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:17 AM

    Yeah, fantastic idea. It’ll save so much hassle.

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    Mute Mark Donahue
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:16 AM

    Pretty good idea. But what about the toiletries that you need that would be packed? I’d need every single thing in that bag :-)

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    Mute Mark Donahue
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:59 PM

    Yea, but I need loads to keep me at least presentable lol

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    Mute Arbitrasure
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:18 PM

    The world’s favourite budget airline will soon follow suit with a mandatory 24 hour advance baggage check-in, or a large fee per bag to check in any later than that.

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    Mute John F
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:36 PM

    Ba dom Cha!

    …. FAIL

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    Mute Declan Mannix
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:07 PM

    That idea is absolutely spiffing. Be great to just saunter into the airport and head straight for the duty free bypassing the queues

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    Mute Partysauras Rex
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:27 AM

    If only one person brings the bags to the airport for the check-in, surely they can’t honestly answer the baggage security questions?

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    Mute Claire O'Leary
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:23 PM

    I don’t see the value of this to be honest. Schelp to the airport the night before and then schlep back the following morning to get the flight?

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    Mute Frank Bohan
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:00 PM

    Great if you’ve to stay in an airport hotel the night before or leaving car in long-term parking. 45 mins of extra rest rather than stress of morning departures.

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    Mute Richard Barrett
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    Apr 16th 2013, 11:40 AM

    Hats off to aer fungus, leading the way :)

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    Mute Andrew Telford
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:04 PM

    True it would be a hassle.. They should offer curbside check in, paying to park and finding a space would be a hassle.

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    Mute Eddie Walsh
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:30 PM

    Do not see the benefit..
    Fine if you live at the airport..
    Why in gods name would you want to drive twice to the airport.
    I would guess The thinking behind this is not about the consumer.

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    Mute Susan O Connell
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:36 PM

    It takes me 10 mins max to get to Cork airport, it’s a handy service for some obviously but not all.

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    Mute Peter Byrne
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:55 PM

    I’d like to think the marketing people at Dublin airport hotel had a hand in coming up with this idea… kudos if they did!

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    Mute Nicholas Canny
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    Apr 16th 2013, 3:27 PM

    Used this two weeks ago and it worked really well and there was no extra charge for it

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    Mute Cora Brooks
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:35 PM

    Nice idea, hope they are charging nothing for this? Great especially when going on holiday with flights very early that dreaded two hour rule just to spend it on blooming queues. Hope it takes off with all air lines:-)

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    Mute Dave O'Hanlon
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:07 PM

    How about proper self-service check in facilities.

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    Mute Neil Duggan
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    Apr 16th 2013, 4:40 PM

    Hong Kong airport has a very convenient city centre check in desk. No need to drag your bags all the way to the airport.

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    Mute dearg doom
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    Apr 16th 2013, 8:32 PM

    This is so poorly thought out.

    Location: If it’s only for Dublin airport then it’s not like it’s easy to just call by and drop off your bags.
    If you live nearby you will either need to live on the very few domestic bus routes that go near the airport or you will need to drive. If you do drive, you will obviously be forced into parking in the DAA’s rip-off car park. You won’t be allowed to use the set-down lane and you’re not going to use the independent Quickpark just to drop off some bags. It may not be the reason, but I’m sure best buds Aer Lingus & the DAA considered the extra revenue they would get from parking fees.

    For visitors, it’s too far out with sh*t transport, and our taxis are more expensive than many other European destinations. It would could work in other more central airports though.

    Timing: Only for flights 6am-8am? Why would you get rid of your bag the evening before you go to bed, then have a shower and put on a new change of clothes the next morning? You’d want to be bringing another small suitcase with you. So this narrows it down to people carrying two or more bags.

    And to be honest, the majority of people I see when I go through at that time are going for short-haul trips (a lot of day trippers) and I don’t see much luggage being checked in anyway. The more holiday type flights where you would really need a big suitcase seem to go later.

    If they let you drop your bag off in the morning for evening flights, it would be more popular because you’d already be dressed for the day and wouldn’t need as much of your stuff. You could do whatever you wanted without being weighed down. But people already use hotel luggage facilities, so if you’re a visitor, you’re going to be a lot closer to the hotel you just woke up in than a crappy airport in the sticks. Going out there and back to Dublin to do some sightseeing would be pointless.

    I just don’t see what’s in it for them, let alone the passengers, apart from parking fees. Maybe it’s just to redeploy check-in staff somewhere else during the busy morning period. Which is understandable, but let’s not act like Aer Lingus are doing us a favour.

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    Mute Donna Bartley
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    Apr 16th 2013, 5:03 PM

    I’m sure that this would be a great service for families or people lots of luggage, both of which are a thorn in the side of us single, one bagged passengers! It may not be convenient for all passengers to do it but it would benefit everyone!Reduce queue time and less likelihood of screaming children in the queue at that hour of the morning! I won’t complain!

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    Mute Nicholas Canny
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    Apr 16th 2013, 3:26 PM

    Used this two weeks ago and it worked out really well and there was no charge for it

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    Mute Ocean Wave
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:50 PM

    Good idea.Saves stress.

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    Mute John F
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    Apr 16th 2013, 2:35 PM

    The only benefit I could see in this is for transatlantic passengers (passengers flying transatlantic are more likely to have lots of luggage) and transatlantic passengers also have the extra headache of having to do US immigration as well as security, but since Aer Lingus’ first transatlantic flight isn’t until 10:45am and this is only valid for passengers travelling between 6-8am, I can’t see much use in it to be honest!
    Personally I believe the biggest headache at airports for families is security, rather than luggage check in. More than likely you’re going to have to cue up at the airline desk to get boarding cards and resolve seat assignment issues(luggage or no luggage)

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    Mute Breda Cowan
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    Apr 16th 2013, 3:37 PM

    Yes it would be a great idea we used it in Canada and it takes away all the pressure on travel day especially if you are travelling with children

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    Mute Dave
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    Apr 16th 2013, 10:18 PM

    Jaysus dearg doom, it may suit some people, even if its only a few and if it does no harm done and fair play, hardly think the extra few euro for parking from the limited number of people availing of the service is a major concern for either parties! Most airport hotels have free shuttles for guests so it wouldn’t cost them a penny to take it up and back to the airport and as many people said, if you’re travelling with kids it’d be a great help. You’d swear there was a charge for it or you had to do it! Chill out my friend….

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    Mute Evelyn Fennelly
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    Apr 17th 2013, 9:20 AM

    People travelling with Aer Lingus in Europe should be aware that if you pay for a second check-through bag, you don’t get any extra weight allowance. Pay €15 for 1 bag – get 20kg, pay additional €15 for second bag – no additional weight allowance. i.e. You can have two bags, but between them you can only have 20kg.
    This isn’t very clear at all when booking… if the cumulative weight is more than 20kg, the weight of the second bag is charged as “Excess Baggage Fees” (despite the fact that you’ve already paid for a second bag…..). The Excess Baggage charge is €15 per kg!!! :O
    This is a really non-sensical and unfair policy to begin with, but the fact that people don’t know about it means you can get very, very stung at the check-in desk!

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    Mute Celine Nolan
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    Apr 16th 2013, 4:55 PM

    Travel all the way to our airport that has no underground or rail link twice in two days!! I don’t think so thanks.

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    Mute Bernie Sharkey Eustace
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    Apr 16th 2013, 12:36 PM

    Schlep….. I love it!

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    Mute Harish
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    Apr 16th 2013, 7:53 PM

    Why only dublin. What bout cork and shannon!!!!!!!!!

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    Mute Lisa Skeeter
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    Apr 17th 2013, 1:00 AM

    Crown Plaza Hotel Singapore do this. Go downstairs and check your bags in. Go back upstairs and watch TV from the bath in your room until gate opens. Get out of bath, put on clothes, go through efficient security and board flight. Sweetness.

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    Mute Dec Rowe
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:09 PM

    Great idea… How much extra does this cost?

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    Mute Ocean Wave
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    Apr 16th 2013, 1:52 PM

    Yes…I am sure they would charge you fot that sadly…

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    Mute Celine Casey Kinsella
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    Apr 17th 2013, 11:40 PM

    I think it’s a great idea you could park in the set down area in the departures one stay in the car the other person bring the bags in and checks in and you don’t have all that hassle next morning it’s a winner for my family

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    Mute Aisling Cahill
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    Apr 17th 2013, 10:46 AM

    I think this is a great idea! For motorbike users, it’s great to be able to use public transport at sociable hours to drop off luggage, and then get the full benefit of driving a motorbike in early morning traffic to the airport without worrying about luggage.

    Although the return journey… Hmm

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    Mute Mickey Kenny
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    Apr 16th 2013, 3:33 PM

    Brilliant idea

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    Mute Jackie Crowe
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    Apr 17th 2013, 12:08 AM

    they have lost my luggage twice so i would not be trusting them to do it,, if they cant get in on plane same few hours i have checked in ,, god only knows where it could end up over nite,, that’s a no from me,,,

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