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Dáil turf wars: Eamon Ryan seeks to unite coalition against Sinn Féin motion

Restrictions on the sale and burning of turf are being considered.

BOG OF ALLEN 758A6232 The government is having a difficult time on the issue of turf. Rollingnews.ie Rollingnews.ie

THE DÁIL WILL today debate contentious plans to restrict the sale of turf, with Minister for the Environment Eamon Ryan seeking to keep coalition TDs on side. 

Sinn Féin will table a motion which calls on the government to “scrap plans to ban the sale of turf from September”, and the party is calling on all TDs to support it. 

The bill seeks to exploit differences of opinion on the government benches after high-profile interventions from coalition TDs who are opposed to the move. 

Fianna Fáil’s Barry Cowen TD and Fine Gael’s Brendan Griffin TD are among those who have expressed concerns about what restricting the sale of turf would mean for rural communities. 

Minister Ryan has said previously that the proposals would not see a ban on the burning of turf and that those with extraction rights would still be permitted to cut turf for their own home heating.

In response to a parliamentary question (PQ) from Griffin earlier this month, Ryan said that the new regulations would instead prevent people cutting turf and placing it “on the market for sale or distribution to others”. 

Speaking at the weekend, however, the Green Party leader said the new regulations had not yet been signed off on and that he should have told the Dáil that they were a “draft” only. 

Ryan told reporters this morning that “it’s a workable, proper, good legal approach”.

“There are still risks. We have the risk of companies maybe suing,” he said. 

“Ignoring air quality, ignoring air pollution, ignoring the fact that it’s killing our people – I don’t think that’s an option or a solution.”

The minister is today holding separate meetings with TDs from both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil as part of efforts to reassure them about the plans. 

The minister will tell that them that the draft regulations are designed to focus on the commercial sale of turf and that there will be no ban on the sharing of turf with family members or neighbours. 

Ryan is also set to outline that households in “genuinely rural areas” will be allowed to continue to use turf, with people living in communities of less than 500 people being exempt from the regulations. 

It’s argued that the reason for this exemption is that there isn’t the same risk of air pollution in more isolated communities. The government is however concerned that there is evidence of an increase in the sale of turf in larger towns, leading to unsafe smoke levels. 

Health

Ryan and other campaigners have insisted that the proposed restrictions on turf sales are primarily due to health reasons. 

An alliance of public health organisations under the umbrella group the Climate and Health Alliance has advocated for a ban of turf sales, saying that there are more than 1,400 deaths in Ireland from air pollution every year.

Spokesperson for the alliance Dr Colm Byrne has said that the burning of smoky fuels, including turf, coal and wet wood, in the home is the leading source of air pollution.  

Byrne has described sitting in front of a fire as being exposed to the same toxic fumes as “found in traffic blackspots at rush hour”. 

smoke-rising-from-a-house-chimney-in-ireland-at-sunset Health concerns are key to the dispute. Alamy Stock Photo Alamy Stock Photo

Speaking on The Journal’s The Explainer podcast last week, Dr Raymond Flynn of Queen’s University Belfast said that the burning of turf was “in the same league” as other fossil fuels but that the health effects on individuals burning turf is dependant on air circulation in their homes.  

Ahead of Minister Ryan’s meeting with government TDs and the Dáil debate today, a briefing note prepared by his department said there would be “thousands of extra people alive today” had previous governments introduced similar measures.

Backlash

Fianna Fáil TD for Offaly Barry Cowen is set to meet Minister Ryan to discuss his concerns about an outright ‘cliff-edge’ ban on the commercial sale of turf.

Speaking with The Journal, he said the meeting is overdue but is now pertinent, due to the Sinn Féin motion and Ryan’s weekend comments about this previous answer in the Dáil. 

This has been brought about it would appear by a PQ response that was neither thought out, approved or factual. I’ve never heard a minister admit previously that a PQ response is not accurate. I have to take at face value that any PQ response I or anyone else gets is on the understanding that it is representative of fact.

When asked about the motion, and how unhappy government backbenchers might approach a vote on the matter, he said:

I would hope that having first of all relayed my concerns to my colleagues in Fianna Fáil, and indeed Fine Gael, that the mathematics that determine this government’s continuance will in no small way ensure that there is a resolution to our acceptance brought to bear as soon as possible.

If that means a countermotion to accommodate that, “so be it”, said Cowen

Cowen said the PQ response from the minister “was quite clear”.

“He wanted to ban all commercial sales of turf – that won’t wash.” he said, adding turf-cutting was a “diminishing practice” in any case.

It’s not as prevalent as it once was. Many people have already transitioned away from solid fuels… but they’re still, whether we like it or not, a cohort of households – a diminishing one, yes, but still a cohort of households, many of them vulnerable, that haven’t yet made that transition for whatever reason.

Cowen said there are households who have their own bog or who have turbary rights to cut turf on other people’s land. 

“But there’s another cohort where some households don’t own a bog or don’t have turbary rights, and they depend on commercial cutters in their own community and locality whom they’ve built up relationship with many years, and they purchase from them every year. So that’s a commercial transaction. They buy their year’s supply annually, and in his PQ response, [Eamon Ryan] made no distinction between those two scenarios,” said Cowen.

It’s his [Eamon Ryan's] job to act as a minister within government for the entire country. And he needs to know, which he should and I expect he does, that there are pockets of areas throughout my county, many counties in Ireland, where this practice continues.

Cowen added that the proposal to exempt communities of 500 people or less may not go far enough. 

“If he thinks that’s a climbdown, he has a lot more rungs in the ladder to go to come down to where we are on this,” he said. 

“Sinn Fein will look to make political capital, to take advantage of this scenario, which I accept and understand – that’s politics,” he added.

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Ahead of today, Mayo TD Michael Ring told The Journal that he had not been invited to the meeting with Ryan but that he ought to have been.

As a TD representing rural Ireland, Ring said it was important that there be no “hand-’picking” of ‘yes-men and women’ from each party in attendance.

“I don’t know who’s been invited but I got no invitation yet to it and I should be… I didn’t hear anything about it, only in the the media,” he said, adding that he would be seeking an invitation.

The Fine Gael TD said that he would be able to “spell a few things out” to the minister at the meeting, and that he wouldn’t be “one bit afraid”.

“If I don’t do it there, I will do it in the Dáil,” he said.

The issues around the regulations on cutting and selling turf have been very clear to both Taoiseach Micheál Martin and Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, he added.

Ring said that proposals must be found today to satisfy the concerns raised by rural TDs.

“This is wrong. It’s not the time to be doing it, we have a war, a shortage of fuel and it’s ridiculous. That’s what it is,” he said.

“People should be able to cut their own turf and people should be allowed to sell to their neighbours,” he said, adding: “That has to happen, that’s the basic.”

When asked what way he would vote on the Sinn Féin motion, he said:

I will never vote with Sinn Féin, so it doesn’t matter what motion they put down… I won’t be voting with them at any time.

Ring also raised what he described as “hypocritical” regulations that have seen briquettes from Germany and Latvia being sold in Ireland. 

Kerry TD Michael Healy Rae raised the same issue last year, saying he was “ashamed of my life” about selling briquettes from Germany in his own shop in Co Kerry.

Sources state that the regulations currently causing controversy will not impact the sale of peat briquettes in shops but longer-term plans would see a ban on them also. 

SF motion

Sinn Féin’s motion is set to be debated in the Dáil at 5.40pm today, but it is not restricted to the turf issue alone – perhaps impacting the chances that government TDs would support it. 

While the Sinn Féin motion calls on the government to “scrap plans to ban the sale of turf”, it also calls on the government to cancel the scheduled Carbon Tax increase that will come into effect from next week. 

The government has said the increase in Carbon Tax will be “more than offset” by other measures to reduce inflation. 

Sinn Féin’s motion also claims that “more can and should be done” by the government to “support workers and families” on price increases, particularly in relation to home heating oil.  

Asked by The Journal why the wording included criticisms of the government and did not stick to the turf issue alone, Sinn Féin TD Matt Carthy said it was “very important to contextualise the motion”. 

“And to contextualise what I would only describe as silly debates that have been ongoing among government representatives in relation to the turf issue, because fundamentally what this is about is the ability of people to heat their homes,” he said. 

That’s why we felt it was important to reference the fact that for most people who burn turf the only alternative or possible option that they would have to eat or hope is through home heating oil.

Carthy acknowledged that a move away from burning turf is a healthier move but he said that people will make that move themselves if there is “a credible, affordable alternative to turf”. 

The Cavan-Monaghan TD said that today’s motion was “an ideal opportunity” for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael TDs who have been “running around their constituencies for the past number of weeks” sympathising with “hard-pressed families” to “make a stand on behalf of people who are really struggling”.

The three party leaders met last night where sources state it was emphasised that there must be assurances that traditional rights and practices are maintained, and that those who rely on turf in rural areas can continue to do so.
Sources state that it was acknowledged that progress is being made on the proposals.
Briefings will take place with the respective parliamentary parties tomorrow and it will be reconsidered again after those meetings.

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    Mute Brian MacCarthaigh
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    May 28th 2017, 4:58 PM

    Major scoop theJournal well done.

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    May 28th 2017, 11:51 PM

    @Brian MacCarthaigh: I don’t think I have ever seen a bus on a motorway abiding by the 80km/h speed limit that applies to (single decker) buses, not to mention HGVs which not only constantly break their 80 km/h speed limit but also regularly illegally drive in the overtaking lane. Seen plenty of gardai pass speeding HGVs too.

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    May 29th 2017, 5:53 AM

    @Brian MacCarthaigh: Bus driver caught sticking to the speed limit would be news. A quite bizarre story… What next? Tin of beans stolen from local Tesco store…

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    May 29th 2017, 6:01 AM

    @Kevin Farrell: Some places buses can do 100km/h and also trucks can do 90km/h.

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    May 29th 2017, 6:15 AM

    @Kevin Farrell: bus can do 100 on motorway and can use the overtaking lane. Hgv can do 90.

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    May 28th 2017, 4:35 PM

    How is 102kmph 40kmph over an 80km speed zone?

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    May 28th 2017, 4:52 PM

    @Mike Power: well you know the boys in blue double up figures !!!

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    May 28th 2017, 5:17 PM

    @Mike Power: it says 20kmph

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    May 28th 2017, 5:35 PM

    @Chris Creagh: It does now after the author changed it, and still got the maths wrong.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:51 PM

    @Mike Power: the article says 20 km over the limit.

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    May 28th 2017, 9:13 PM

    @Mike Power: read it again

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    May 28th 2017, 10:20 PM

    @Florence Bass: Yes it does, see comment above.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:06 PM

    What a stupid waste of resources.. as an activity they uncovered 0.16865671641791% of motorists speeding out of 134, 000 observations.

    2 billion journeys made each year, by 2.5 million vehicles; resulting in bad outcomes of 0.0000159% .. You’d need a microscope to work out the risk assessment.

    Meanwhile we can’t get sufficient revenue to spend on mental health services for the 600 or so poor souls who take their own lives..

    Cop on ..

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    May 28th 2017, 5:11 PM

    @Martin Critten:

    The objective of the initiative was to stop people from speeding rather than to catch people, hence the heavy advertising. maybe a life or two was saved.

    Cop on….

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    May 28th 2017, 5:22 PM

    @Nick Allen: doubt it. As stated of 2 billion annual road activities (2,000,000,000) which pass without incident, are u trying to tell us all that such measures can be effectual to the value of 1. We are not divine beings. Thats the farce of all this pure nonsense. At this level is pure mathematics of chance. Which 8 million to 1 is willing the lottery 300 million to 1 in being killed on the roads.

    Now whose being played stupid.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:40 PM

    @Martin Critten: agree totally.If they were to spend a half hour on a road I know they would catch a lot more people speeding than they did for 24 hour national clamp down.Gardai have no resources.This is why the total national detection rate is so small for this weekend

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    May 28th 2017, 5:51 PM

    @Live at Oriel: my question is what are we doing the detection for in the first place. More like chasing rainbows. The fanciful idea that somehow this is going to effect something ..

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    May 28th 2017, 6:19 PM

    @Martin Critten: Martin, your stats are incorrect. Your calculations only work if each person takes exactly one trip per annum. This is patently absurd. Many, if not most, people, take a minimum of 600 trips per annum- work and back 5 times a week and a shopping trip at the weekend.

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    May 28th 2017, 8:27 PM

    @Martin Critten:

    You are not getting it are you? It is proven that reducing the speed of traffic on the roads reduces the number of deaths on the road.

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    May 28th 2017, 11:55 PM

    @Nick Allen: if they really want people to adhere to limit s bell should go off in car at 120kph or cars would have limiters. But it is easy income

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    May 29th 2017, 9:57 AM

    Eh @George Salter: he said 2 billion ‘road activities’, at ~3 million cars that sounds roughly correct to me

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    May 29th 2017, 10:23 AM

    @Daniel Wilson: Point still stands

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    May 28th 2017, 4:55 PM

    wow, crime of the century,, anyhow, the thicko gaurd hasn’t realised the bus either has a faulty limiter or no limiter at all if he was doing 102 kph, there must be a range of other offences here in that regards.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:13 PM

    @oh i dunno:

    What makes you think the limiter was faulty?

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    May 28th 2017, 5:37 PM

    @Nick Allen: The fact he was doing 102? Its pretty self explanatory, why does everything have to explained in detail to the commentators here? Is there a requirement to be monumentally pedantic here to comment? If he was doing 102 it was either faulty i.e not calibrated/not working or none installed, why does this need further clarification?

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    May 28th 2017, 5:48 PM

    @oh i dunno: busses can do 100 kph on a motorway, 2% is an acceptable margin of error for a limiter.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:09 PM

    @oh i dunno: could have been going downhill.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:48 PM

    @John Cummins: Only Single and double deck buses and coaches (with accommodation for more than 8 passengers but not carry standing passengers) , he was still going over the speed limit and should get the limiter fixed, calibrated or one installed, a 2% margin of error is unacceptable when receiving speeding fines points on licence.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:50 PM

    @joe o hare: Wouldn’t be much point in limiters being installed on every HGV and Bus if they didn’t work going downhill

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    May 28th 2017, 8:29 PM

    @oh i dunno:

    The limiter only has one maximum speed, this speed does not vary depending on the speed limit of the road you are travelling. So it has to allow a bus travel at 100 Km/h as that is the speed limit on a motorway. Does this need further clarification?

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    May 28th 2017, 8:49 PM

    @oh i dunno: !

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    May 28th 2017, 9:22 PM

    @oh i dunno: they don’t work downhill ya snartass!

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    May 28th 2017, 9:28 PM

    @Nick Allen: The limit varies on the kind of bus, i’ve already clarified the certain types but it just doesn’t seem to be registering. If a bus with a limiter of lets say 100kph is caught doing 102kph, AGAIN he either had no limiter, a faulty limiter or on that needs calibration. If the “LIMITER” was working as it should, the bus would not be able to break the maximum speed allowed for that vehicle, the whole point of it. Some people really need a picture drew for them.

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    May 28th 2017, 9:38 PM

    Yes they do

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    May 28th 2017, 11:16 PM

    @Nick Allen: the speed limit on a motorway is 120kph.

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    May 28th 2017, 11:20 PM

    @oh i dunno:

    Nice try to redeem yourself. U got it wrong. Accept it rather than try to argue the point. A 2% margin of error of perfectly acceptable. When you have have screwed up with a comment you should either say ‘fair cop’ or go silent. Arguing something you will never win is a bd idea

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    May 28th 2017, 4:36 PM

    Overtook???? Should loose his bus license completely for that

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    May 28th 2017, 4:50 PM

    @Mark Nugent: it overtook the unmarked car, so I was under the assumption that you need to be stationary to take a speed reading etc. Or has technology changed and I need to slow down

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    May 28th 2017, 5:13 PM

    @Brown Boots:

    Your assumption was wrong.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:26 PM

    @Nick Allen: thank you Nicholas, always open to correction. I know the plate scanners can get tax and insurance details but didn’t know could do speed. I will say though I don’t actually speed anymore, I just use cruise control to set it to whatever it is,, just dial it up or down, grand job, never thought I’d actually use it for that, but at the end of the day, if keeps people safe and me with less points it’s a win win.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:25 PM

    @Brown Boots: They may have been doing the max, as the wheels on the bus went round and round?

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    May 28th 2017, 7:49 PM

    @Mark Nugent: Most certainly one of the “out of service” buses, which are always very fast, compared to the rest I mean.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:08 PM

    What’s that, a little over 11mph? Clearly a master criminal. Is there a prison secure enough to hold him?

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    May 29th 2017, 6:03 AM

    @8bitplebian: That doesn’t make it slower.

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    May 28th 2017, 7:09 PM

    If the unmarked Garda car was moving around 60 kph it would be safer for the bus to increase to maximum speed to pass it safely before slowing down again to 80 kph.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:05 PM

    And the Garda never go over the limit.. Jeez…

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    May 28th 2017, 4:54 PM

    The lads won’t take this too well back in the garage..could be a national go slow in the works after this…a rookie Garda straight out of Templemore I reckon.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:20 PM

    He probably had to hurry home to get up early the next morning.Thanks Leo.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:33 PM

    Can’t contain my excitement at the figures TGE traffic corps will release tomorrow. Travelled from Midlands the Kerry, over to cork and back and not a single speed trap, albeit did witness a sneaky squad car hidden at school entrance coming into my village, Gosh that will achieve so much. I heard inspectors where also handing out tickets at checkpoints in Dublin, I guess too insure the numbers tallied up. ( Does anyone really take these campaigns seriously anymore?)

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    May 28th 2017, 4:56 PM

    Article is wrong the driver was 22km over the limit not 20.Just saying

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    May 28th 2017, 5:18 PM

    Yeah so what. Big swinging….

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    May 28th 2017, 5:08 PM

    Fair enough. Bus driver over the limit. Sick of buses on the motorway overtaking trucks and holding up traffic and then they speed through the towns.
    But that picture if the driver of the cop car took it shouldn’t he be done also.

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    May 28th 2017, 7:49 PM

    And the Garda on twitter, using a speed gun, breaking the speed limit and tailgating all at the same time haha

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    May 28th 2017, 8:26 PM

    @Adam O’hEidhin: also dated 20/05/17 which was a week ago.

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    May 28th 2017, 5:48 PM

    If the Gardai started monitoring Bus Eireann, they’d find that pretty much every intercity bus breaks limits constantly. And there so t be a word said until there is a tragedy.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:00 PM

    Took one home from the Laughter Lounge last night. I literally bounced from one seat across to another when he took a roundabout. Not sure if it was the alcohol or speed or a combination of both. Probably quickest journey home ever with only five in it. Was dying for a piddle so all good.

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    May 28th 2017, 4:37 PM

    bursting for a shite

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    May 28th 2017, 4:44 PM

    @dead right: why are you commenting, get it done, sounds urgent.

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    May 28th 2017, 6:46 PM

    @Alan Moore: posted from the pot

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    May 28th 2017, 8:47 PM

    @dead right: in tyrellstownship that’s dropping off the kids

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    Mute Karl Monaghan
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    May 28th 2017, 7:30 PM

    MY GOD!

    He was doing 60 miles an hour in a 50 zone! Such great reporting!!!

    Before the miles to kilometers change over that 20 miles an hour over the speed limit resulted in an automatic court summons – have they converted this to 20 kmph over the limit or has this been converted properly to 32 kmph over the speed limit???

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    Mute Dominic Hearns
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    May 28th 2017, 8:27 PM

    Great capture lads. Very proud moment for you boys.

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    Mute joe o hare
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    May 28th 2017, 6:11 PM

    Driver should be shot. How could they. Will somebody please think of the children.

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    Mute Paul Coughlan
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    May 28th 2017, 5:52 PM

    Are buses not restricted.

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    Mute Stiofán Ó Cléirigh
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    May 28th 2017, 8:44 PM

    @Paul Coughlan: yes they are not allowed over the halpenny bridge

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    Mute Rob Hopkins
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    May 28th 2017, 9:53 PM

    Why is this news ?

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    Mute pat seery
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    May 28th 2017, 7:20 PM

    I presume it was an Express Bus

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    Mute Stiofán Ó Cléirigh
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    May 28th 2017, 8:43 PM

    @pat seery: no they are work to rule

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    Mute Stiofán Ó Cléirigh
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    May 28th 2017, 8:41 PM

    So what!!! Two cyclists speeding down clanbrasil street in a 30kph zone. Muppet

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    Mute Ian Stephenson
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    May 29th 2017, 7:18 AM

    Ok can we officially now say that speeding is longer a serious problem. 134,000 + detections and only 226 over the limit ??? I’m sorry that just does not add up. Gardai having trouble with their numbers again ?

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    Mute barreeeeeeeee
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    May 28th 2017, 6:52 PM

    It was me that told him to speed up, the wife was in labour, don’t go to hard on him judge mcbride

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    Mute Rusty Nail
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    May 29th 2017, 6:24 AM

    It’s the Gardai that need to be monitored for speeding. Just because they have a badge doesn’t make it safer for them.

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    Mute Noel
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    May 29th 2017, 5:34 AM

    National slush fund top up Friday

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    Mute Earl Fitzgerald
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    May 29th 2017, 8:14 AM

    The bus driver should just say that he had “Just robbed a bank of millions” and that he was getting away… Probably would have got away with it.

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    Mute Peter McMahon
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    May 28th 2017, 9:42 PM

    Stupid non story.

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    Mute Bewarethebeardz
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    May 29th 2017, 8:32 AM

    Well, we can at least be assured that it will never be a Dublin bus or Bus Eireann bus.

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    Mute Malachy
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    May 28th 2017, 10:24 PM

    I overtook an unmarked once. Then kept up my speed up to which they did say they’d give me a chance to slow down after overtaking. But I didn’t. Caught fair and square. My bad.

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    Mute Seth Cheffetz
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    May 29th 2017, 9:03 AM

    I’ve been on more than my fair share of buses where the driver is driving like a maniac.

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