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TWO MORE PUBLIC service trade unions have this evening accepted the Haddington Road public pay deal.
The Irish Medical Organisation, representing the country’s doctors, and the Civil and Public Service Union which represents lower-paid public workers, both accepted the deal.
IMO members voted to accept the proposals by a two-to-one margin, while the CPSU margin was 55-45.
The IMO had recommended that its members accept the proposals, but the CPSU was one of four unions to advise against a Yes vote.
The IMO’s director of industrial relations Steve Tweed said its members were clear that the Government and HSE were now compelled to follow up their side of the deal.
This includes bringing Ireland into line with the EU Working Time directive by the end of 2014, and an agreement to try and encourage highly-trained staff to remain in the Irish system instead of seeking work abroad.
However, the union said it expected urgent action on cutting working hours for junior doctors and would hold a ballot for industrial action if no action was taken by the beginning of August.
Separately, the CSPA said on its website that its executive would meet tomorrow to discuss how best to challenge the Government on its unilateral pay cuts for high workers under the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act 2013 passed earlier this year.
This legislation and the politicians who supported it in the Oireachtas must be challenged and held accountable by workers and their trade unions.
UNITE remains the only union to have rejected the proposals after a ballot.
Both of the secondary teachers’ unions, the ASTI and the TUI, originally rejected the plans without ballots – but both have now arranged to ballot their members in light of the outcomes of other votes.
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The union leaders betrayal is almost complete
How good of the public “servants” to put the greater good ahead of themsrlves (jobs for life and gold plated pensions!!!!)
Even bigger pity private sector didn’t do that in the boom
Taxi bill, before you make a stupid negative comment, you really should learn how to spell. Good man. ;)
@taxi bill
If its so good why didn’t you become a public ‘servant’?
Meanwhile, over at our richer neighbours…….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23053693
Tax Bill…see how you like a 20% pay cut
No doubt taxibill “tells it like it is” to poor hoors all day long!
Fcuk off Taxi bill….are you paying your tax you bollix?
Most workers were threatened to vote Yes to secure their jobs The politicians are laughing their bollocks off. The extra working hours does not cover their savings nor help it’s austerity torturing Lets dance
The less said about this betrayal of the workers of Ireland The better
Reality of the extra hours to patients is NADA! We have been doing them anyway. We cannot walk away in the middle of a crisis and say I will sort it tomorrow. The temp opt out clause ie stay at current hours and take the pay cut lasts until Christmas. After that all have to do the extra hours or opt out permanently or ? 2017 (end of deal) but the issues are bigger – essentially opting out makes you a part time employee and if you wish to remain on the reduced hours it changes your contract as you will ? Need to sign a new one on different terms and conditions?? The elephant in the room is nobody knows what the hell is going on really! I got told that the holidays I’ve accumulated to date essential a week won’t be enough to take a week off the 1st July! I need 2 hours more!! I accept its not a lot but considering the amount of good will we have given its a bit Irish!!! The HR emails are entertaining to say the least!! No body is 100% sure what’s going on!!!
No report on pension protest earlier today?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0626/458957-esb-protest-dividend/
So the country and everyone in it still has to subsidise this lot for the foreseeable future at the expense of disabled childrens teachers, cuts in social walfare the household charge, water rates and soon to be got rid of college fees for students. And as a graduate i can’t get a job because all thats available is an internship with 50 euro a week on the dole, oh i forgot they want to take the 50 euro off us also. But who cares as long as these pre 2008 public servants have there pay and benefits protected, after all they deserve their perks more than all the rest of the people of ireland who have struggled this last 5 years!
I’m a public servant. I hit 39 hours yesterday morning. I started work today at 8 am. I get to finish and go home at noon. Tomorrow. And this is an easy week.
So get a grip on yourself.
I’m an NCHD. Shane could you please list my “perks”.
Im asking you to do this because I think you will be surprised when you hear what the reality is. There is a huge misunderstanding about the job, pay and working conditions of NCHDs in Ireland.
Thanks, Joe.
My bother works nearly a 70 hr week with no overtime rate, because he’s told he won’t have his job if he doesn’t, no increments no perks no nothing he does it because he’s grateful to have a job and needs to pay his bills! so tell me again why your more deserving than the rest of the people of ireland? why is the nearly 5000 people who are unemployed and probably in alot of case more qualified and willing to take your job for less money less deserving? the public sector needs the government to take in large amounts of tax to pay your wages, same as they need to take in money for social walfare and other services that are being cut, like cancer services, but as i said you’s are more deserving! the country simply cannot afford to pay for everything thats why everything else is being cut in order for your wages to be protected! if this continues and other people keep getting continually squeezed we have two options and they aren’t the one the public service are considering 1: vote fianna fail back in at the next election and let the gravy train continue! THERE IS NO MONEY! 1: we can ask for another Bailout to keep paying your protected salary and pension as working an extra 40 minutes a day is to much to ask? or 2: face another recession as all essential services have been cut and the tax base has been increased so much to accomodate further public sector pay increments and pension demands, that the ordinary irish citizen no longer has the capital the to pay new extortionate tax’s. the Public secor doe’s not produce capital, like social walfare and cancer services the government provides the capital from tax. whats gonna happen when there is no money to pay anymore?
My salary is not protected. Quite the opposite – it has fallen 40% in the past few years.
As for an extra 40 minutes – as per the HSE the average working week for NCHDs is about 56hrs (the reality is higher). That’s already a good 8 hours over the legal maximum.
There are no people willing to do my job for less money – this country can’t attract enough doctors to fill jobs, because the pay and conditions are terrible.
But don’t let reality disturb you.
Its not that anyone should be payed less, it’s that the people of ireland have suffered and the burden of the debt and the burden of cuts and the placement of recruitment embargos its placing and unfair disadvantage to the newly qualified and other seeking employment!
There aren’t any unemployed people who can do a doctor’s job.
There aren’t enough doctors, because the constant attack on the profession from the ignorant and ill-informed braying mob, leading to the governed undermining pay and conditions, means there is an ongoing exodus from the country.
If you want to do something about the erosion of services, go after the managers and policy makers who drive professionals away from the public service – that’s what really damages services.
Everyone should receive their fair and equal share but with agreements like this Haddington Road it protects the pre 2008 workers and the expense of the people of ireland and the newly qualified why should there be a two tiered public service? everyone deserves the same, but as a country we can’t afford it so, the newly qualified and other job seekers have to suffer and services have to be cut in order to implement this agreement!
Shane as far as NCHDs are concerned, there isnt a difference pre/post 2008.
Ive as said below, services in Ireland are not being cut because of the high weekly wages of NCHDs.
(I stated my wage below)
Were not fired up and upset because of money. It has gone beyond that. The hours we are expected to work are putting our health, and the health of our patients at risk. I would not want any relative of mine to be seen by a doctor who has worked for 36 hours without sleep and yet I regularly do this because Im forced to. The people of Ireland deserve better than this.
or what about newly graduated nurses what can they get, if they are lucky to find a job instead of the 50 euro internships, we now have a two tier system where everyone pre 2008 are protected and fairly well looked after. and where now have recruitment embargo’s or people hired as interns for a year with no guarantees of work and in most cases being left unemployed again, they have to make it to work and survive on 235.00 euro a week, are they less deserving than you?
That newly qualified nurses should be paid more (I think they should, the work they do merits adequate compensation) isn’t a coherent argument that I should be paid less.
Nurses, like doctors and other public servants with valuable skill sets, should be protected from any attack on pay or conditions.
No people willing the most I can hope for as a graduate is 50 euro on top of the dole with no guarantee of a job at the end of it! and now the government wants to remove the 50 euro and college fees, ill do your job! whose hard done by.? the ordinary people of ireland who are continually squeezed, a lecturer starting of at my college starts at 49.000 a year moving up to 79.000 after 10 years and yes they had their little desk complaining about cuts!
Unless you’re a medical graduate you aren’t capable of doing my job.
Doctors elsewhere get paid more, to work less, in better conditions. That’s the reality of it.
“Public servant” is a catch all term that people on here throw around, and most of the time they haven’t a clue what they’re talking about – as you have nicely demonstrated.
doctors are paid very well in ireland, don’t try to bluff people. it’s not like you struggle to pay for the necessities for your children. as i said essential services are being erroded as people like you aren’t willing to give an inch. the public sector is a catch all statement and you do have protected benefits and pensions. we do not live in greece ireland has lived beyond its mean and like greece people like you are in denial and refuse to wake up to the reality, but expect that everything else should be sacrificed so that your standard of living is not effected!
Doctors are paid well on Liveline. Here in the real world, the numbers don’t compare with the fantasy salaries dreamt up by Joe Duffy listeners.
Irish doctors – public servants – were paid less, while working harder and longer, in worse conditions, than doctors in comparable countries abroad, before cuts over the last few years made the pay and conditions even worse.
That’s why on Monday week, when the new medical year starts again, there will be chaos as jobs remain unfilled.
But as I said, why let reality intrude on your rant?
Shane I graduated 8 years ago. My take home pay per month is between 2200 and 2600 euros, which is roughly 600 per week. I work about 80-90 hours per week. You can calculate the hourly rate from that. My hospital, and a lot of others, refuse to pay overtime.
You say: “essential services are being erroded as people like you aren’t willing to give an inch”
No service is being eroded because of my weekly wage, and the similar weekly wages of other NCHDs in Ireland.
The government get their pound of flesh from us, and then some.
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