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UK church asks family to translate Irish phrase on mum's grave amid concerns it could be 'seen as political'

Judge Stephen Eyre said non-Gaeilgeoirs might think the phrase was “some form of slogan”.

A CHURCH COURT in England has ruled against an Irish family who want to put an Irish phrase on their deceased mother’s gravestone, saying that to do so might be seen as “political”.

A judge in the Diocese of Coventry decided that the phrase “In ár gcroíthe go deo” must be accompanied by an English translation to comply with Church of England rules.

The family of Irish-born Margaret Keane, who died in July 2018 aged 73, had argued that the phrase – which translates as “in our hearts forever” – should appear in Irish only to honour their mother’s Irish heritage.

But Judge Stephen Eyre, who oversees disputes over church rules in the diocese, said that non-Gaeilgeoirs visiting the graveyard might think the phrase was “some form of slogan”.

The ruling centred around a proposed memorial to Keane in the churchyard of St Giles Exhall, north of Coventry.

There are strict church rules on the design of memorials, which must be “fitting and appropriate”.

The vicar can usually sign off a design, but anything unorthodox is referred to a church court for permission.

The family of the deceased wanted her memorial to feature a Celtic cross with the GAA logo, as well as the phrase in Irish.

But the proposal split the parish council, which voted six to five in favour.

Cluttered gravestone

The deceased woman’s daughter, Caroline Newey, said that the phrase appearing in Irish had “symbolic value” and would “honour … [her] native tongue”.

Told that it was against regulations to have it in Irish only, she argued that including a translation would make the gravestone too cluttered.

The judge found “it is clearly right that the memorial to Mrs Keane should record and celebrate her Irish heritage and her dedicated community service through the GAA”.

He gave permission for a modified version of the Celtic cross, but said that “the inclusion of words in a language other than English has caused me rather greater difficulty”.

Eyre wrote that “questions of language can raise intense feelings” and pointed out that most visitors to the graveyard wouldn’t understand what the phrase meant.

“Not only would the message of the inscription not be understood. but there is a risk of it being misunderstood,” he added.

“Given the passions and feelings connected with the use of Irish Gaelic there is a sad risk that the phrase would be regarded as some form of slogan or that its inclusion without translation would of itself be seen as a political statement.”

Apolitical language

Eyre noted that the family’s opposition to a translation was “an implicit assertion as to the importance and standing of that language”, which in his view undermined the argument that Irish is apolitical.

He ultimately ruled that “in ár gcroíthe go deo” could go on the memorial along with an English translation. Eyre, 62, has been the diocesan judge in Coventry since 2009.

His day job is as a judge in the regular courts. In another judgement reported in the Daily Mail earlier this year, he refused permission for a widower to inscribe a non-religious poem by Lord Byron on his wife’s grave.

Eyre added that “the situation would be likely to be wholly different if I were having to make a decision as to a memorial in the Irish Republic”.

The Church of Ireland, which is linked to the Church of England, encourages the use of Irish. It has set up a Cumann Gaelach na hEaglaise chaired by former Green Party leader Trevor Sargent, who became a priest in 2018.

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    May 12th 2021, 1:58 PM

    Is there a chance the track would bend?

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    May 12th 2021, 2:00 PM

    @Barry Goodwin: if ya have nothing good to say just say nothing!

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    May 12th 2021, 2:04 PM

    @Barry Goodwin: haha Barry. Now I have that song stuck in my head.

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    May 12th 2021, 2:25 PM

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    May 12th 2021, 2:27 PM

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    May 12th 2021, 3:19 PM

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    May 12th 2021, 3:21 PM

    @Stephen Boland: you’ll be given cushy jobs!

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    May 12th 2021, 3:23 PM

    @Thomas McDonnell: were you sent here by the devil?!

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    May 12th 2021, 4:03 PM

    @Fergal O’Hagan: Not unless you’re Gary Neville!

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    May 12th 2021, 4:56 PM

    @Fergal O’Hagan: No good sir I’m on the level

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    May 12th 2021, 3:16 PM

    Any chance of some public transport on the Northside? Sick of sitting ages in traffic AT 6am! Whats happening with Metro North? Or are we going to be constantly vilified for having to use the car? I have osteoarthritis before anyone mentioning cycling!

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    May 12th 2021, 3:46 PM

    @Lisa Jones: traffic at 6am, where?

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    May 12th 2021, 4:12 PM

    @Dublin days: From Crossguns bridge right through Phibsboro and over the 2 luas lines and right up as far as the quays. Lights stay red longer, lanes have been reduced to one lane. I have been working the whole last year starting work at 6.30am and traffic is getting mental. Yes even that early, most likely by people trying to avoid getting caught up in rush hour traffic.

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    May 12th 2021, 5:10 PM

    @Lisa Jones: Metrolink – Metro North was the old plan – is still going ahead.

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    May 12th 2021, 3:02 PM

    Is the electrification of the line to Maynooth included as was suggested last year? I don’t see it mentioned here but it has been on the table for years. Let’s hope this isn’t another endless pipe dream consultative process that will cost the taxpayer millions without a single sod turned like Metro North, the Royal Canal Greenway deep sinking project, the DART extension to Maynooth. Consultants and engineers making money left, right and centre for flashy drawings and brochures of fictitious, never to be built infrastructure.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-rail-reveals-details-plan-extend-dart-maynooth-1066555

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    May 12th 2021, 2:55 PM

    Extension from Heuston…does the dart go to Heuston??

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    May 12th 2021, 6:13 PM

    @dreiglaser: Not sure if you missed it but it says in the article a feasibility study and concept design would be undertaken for a future station at “Heuston West” (I assume that is within walking distance from the main Heuston station and it is a change stop), that line would run from Hazelhatch to Connolly via the Phoenix Park Tunnel

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    May 12th 2021, 3:00 PM

    Well I hope they have better success than reopening the current line to navan, wasn’t even a priority for the greens

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    May 12th 2021, 6:05 PM

    @Hugh Mc Donnell:

    Public transport in Ireland is for the fairies.

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    May 13th 2021, 7:58 AM

    @iohanx: there must be an election coming up, the usual empty promises and grand plans. Do politicians really think we believe this nonsense. It’s going on years now, metro North an underground Harcourt line to Bray navan rail line

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    May 12th 2021, 1:48 PM

    But there’s a train

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    @Mark Dit: Nothing

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    May 12th 2021, 2:33 PM

    @Mark Dit: sometimes saying nothing is good. I enjoyed Paul’s saying nothing, brightened up my day no end did that.

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    May 12th 2021, 7:14 PM

    @This time its personable!: this applies to you more than Paul

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/542402348873530616/

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    May 12th 2021, 6:01 PM

    With the money in all of these reports and consultation over the years, they would have the price to pay for metro-north and the extension to the Dart line

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    May 12th 2021, 4:54 PM

    Should be extended to Sallins/Naas. What a wasted opportunity.

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    May 12th 2021, 5:59 PM

    @Tomo: it should be all the way at to Portlaoise

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    May 12th 2021, 5:57 PM

    So as per usual with the semi state and the department of wasting money. This will take years. Cost millions more than it should and be over loaded before it launches.

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    May 12th 2021, 5:34 PM

    Needs to include a revamp of Hazelhatch Station. Secure bicycle parking, quicker access to platforms, hourly shuttle bus into Celbridge, go-car spaces.

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    May 14th 2021, 1:49 PM

    Stations and commuters. Need I say more

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