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'This is just the tipping point': The cost of being a student in Ireland has skyrocketed in the past decade

Students protested this week in UCD on more than one occasion about the high cost of rent.

THE COST FOR students to rent on campus in Irish universities has almost doubled over the past decade, with protests held earlier this week at UCD against further planned increases. 

The university plans to increase rents by the maximum amount allowed, 4%, in each of the next three years. 

Student union president Joanna Siewierska said that their protest was aimed at showing university management that they “cannot use campus residences as a fundraiser anymore”. That idea of third-level education as #NotaBusiness gathered momentum on Twitter with a number of politicians supporting the students in their protest action.

Among those was Sinn Fein’s housing spokesperson Eoin Ó Broin, who has requested meetings with university presidents to discuss planned increases to rent. He said high rents are a “barrier to education”.  

Analysis by TheJournal.ie has shown that it has gotten steadily more expensive in the past decade to be a student in Ireland. 

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In fees alone, it has gotten more expensive. From €1,500 in 2010, the student registration fee now stands at €3,000. Students not in receipt of a Susi grant must pay this fee. 

European reports have highlighted how students in Ireland pay among the highest fees in the EU

Alongside that rents have risen sharply. 

In the academic year 2009/10, the rent on the UCD campus cost from €3,808 to €5,324 from September to May plus utilities.

At the lower end, this would’ve meant a monthly rent of around €425. This rose steadily throughout the decade.

Accomodation at the Belgrove accommodation, for example, rose from €4,470 to €5,050 in 2014.

The cost of rent rose more sharply in subsequent years, exceeding €6,000 at the lowest end by 2017.

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For this academic year 2019/20, it costs between €6,745 and €11,591 in rent for the two semesters. Most students will be paying in excess of €7,000 to stay on campus. 

Even at the lowest end, that’s €749 a month, meaning that rents have risen 76% at UCD in the past decade. And it’s set to rise again. 

At Belgrove, this will rise to €7,948.47 by the 2022/23 academic year.

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It means that if a student was to rent in the Belgrove accommodation, the cost of rent plus paying student fees already exceeds €10,000 a year. This is up from just over €5,000 a decade ago. 

IMG_20200220_104240 Siewierska speaking to university management.

For a typical undergraduate degree, the total cost could be in excess of €40,000.

Other universities

The cost of renting in Trinity College Dublin is between €5,982 and €8,226. Some of its off-campus accommodation in Dublin city can cost as much as €9,500 or €10,000 for the academic year. It has also risen sharply in recent years, such as when it rose 12.4% between 2015/16 and 2016/17 alone.

In 2016, living on campus at Maynooth University cost between €2,600 and €4,900. This year, the cost of accommodation in Maynooth ranges between €4,600 and €6,370. This is also due to rise next year.

DCU campus accommodation costs between €6,252 and €7,001. Students there could rent on campus for around €5,000 back in 2015.

The cost of campus accommodation at University College Cork has also risen sharply in recent years.  The higher end cost €4,365 in 2051. This year, rooms cost from €4,029 to €6,179 for the academic year. 

The rates at NUI Galway range from €3,750 (for a twin bedroom shared with another) to €6,942.

At the University of Limerick, meanwhile, it ranges from €3,340.50 for a twin room up to €7,074 for a two-bed apartment.

What next?

UCD Student Union president Joanna Siewierska told TheJournal.ie that they felt forced to take on a more militant approach to the cost of rent given the university’s indication of how far rents will rise in the coming years.

“We’re seeing no support funds, no support for rent distress. Susi grants are not going up,” she said. “Students are not a homogenous group. Some don’t face the same pressures but a huge amount are forced to commute long distances or every day, or pay extortionate rents in the private sector.”

She said that in her role as president she frequently comes into contact with students who are struggling to pay rent or deal with the escalating cost of living, and that it was unacceptable for universities to be relying on students “as an income source”.

Siewierska said she and colleagues had made representations to the university management team in October, and outlined the impact that financial distress was having on students.

The decision was made to raise the rents regardless, and the student union president felt that they’d been “locked out” of that decision. 

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“I represent 30,000 students,” she said. “This was contrary to everything we’d talked about. We felt like they weren’t even trying to listen to us.”

Siewierska pointed to the #NotABusiness campaign which has gained momentum on Twitter, including support from politicians. 

Newly-elected Social Democrat TD Jennifer Whitmore expressed her support, saying: “The focus of any university should be on providing quality, accessible third level education, not on maximising profits from property to the disadvantage and exclusion of students.”

Her colleague Cian O’Callaghan TD said: “Good to see students getting organised against these rent increases.”

“The idea we’re not a business is picking up traction,” Siewierska said, pointing to a growing dissatisfaction with the “commercialisation of the sector”. 

This isn’t affecting just a small number of students. Young people with ambitions to do well all around the country are being faced with the possibility that they can’t go to third-level.

Siewierska added that she’d recently been asked by the University Observer if the rise in rents had been her “breaking point” in her role as president. 

She said: “My breaking point was the first time that a student walked through my door with a sleeping bag, and explained that they were sleeping rough.”

The political will to affect real change in the sector is something third-level education does need.

In their manifestos, both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael pledged to freeze student fees. In Fianna Fáil’s case, it said it would restore grants for postgraduate students and increase grants, as well as establish a dedicated government department for higher education.

Sinn Féin pledged to abolish third-level student fees altogether as well as increase student grants. 

But, at the moment, we still don’t know the make-up of the next government. And manifestos are no guarantee of what would happen if a party makes it into government.

In a statement earlier this week, UCD management said that a rent freeze would require the university to “freeze any further development of student accommodation”.

“It is our view that proceeding with these developments will contribute to longer term rent stability and potential rent reductions, and that it is in the best interests of our community overall to proceed,” it said.

What’s clear from this statement is that unless the individual universities themselves decide to – or bow to pressure to – reverse planned rent rises, students face little chance of a reprieve for now. 

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    Mute Deco James Connolly
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:45 AM

    We have a largely unquestioning media , this is why we have Catherine Murphy td doing the job of an investigative journalist , she is doing what a td should , she is acting in the best interest of the country trying to flush out the dirty dealings that undermine our democracy .
    Well done Catherine we need more like you .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:59 AM

    Spot on Deco, any journalist worth his salt would be going after this all guns blazing. I mean, this is blockbuster stuff. We can forget about the mainstream media as they are singing from the same hymn sheet as the govt and large corporations. All I can say is huge thanks to Catherine Murphy and her tireless devotion in getting this information, and thanks to the Journal for making this become more widely known.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:10 AM

    Maybe the journal will have a go ;)

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:25 AM

    Under guidelines broadcasters are not allowed “undermine the authority of the state”

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/broadcasters-must-not-undermine-authority-of-state-under-new-guidelines-30941115.html

    Prob explains RTE’s silence over the siteserv scandal. If this was going on in other countries, there would be multiple arrests and resignations.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:06 PM

    part of the reason I read the journal

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 5:44 PM

    Why wasn’t the C&AG involved before now?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:26 AM

    Deco you won’t be allow the truth. Noonan and kenny are liars. They looked after the bond holders when they did not have to and fleeced us to pay for it.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:51 AM

    FG links to Denis O Brien go back over 20 years ..People should have a look at the Moriarty findings about Phil Hogans evidence to them ..It would really make you wonder

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:06 AM

    The problem is Thomas…there are no real political parties in the state.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:21 AM

    Indeed Thomas. We should be kissing Denis’s size 12s in gratitude for his herculean efforts to assist the nation in our hour of need.

    “On March 15, 2012, Denis O’Brien – through his Isle of Man-based acquisition vehicle, Millington – bought Siteserv for €45.4million cash from the IBRC, formerly known as Anglo Irish Bank.
    Law firm Arthur Cox represented both IBRC and Millington during the sale.
    At the time of the sale, Mr O’Brien owed Anglo hundreds of millions of euro while Siteserv owed Anglo €150million.
    The sale involved IBRC agreeing to writing off €100million of Siteserv’s €150million debt.
    Mr O’Brien acquired the business on a debt-free basis………………………
    It was reported that Australian hedge fund Anchorage Capital offered a higher price – €52million – but that ‘elements of the offer were considered less attractive then the O’Brien bid’.
    It was also reported that French company Altrad claimed it was denied the opportunity to make an offer for Siteserv – saying it had been prepared to offer €60million for the firm but that it was ‘effectively denied the opportunity because its representative was told the Irish group was not for sale’.”

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/03/05/denis-obrien-fine-gael-and-the-water-meter-deal/

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:37 AM

    Except SF the most popular party 32 county wide.

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    Mute John
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:38 AM

    EVERYTHING that had or has anything to do with Anglo or IBRC is suspect IMO. It’s astonishing what went on and not one prosecution. Now we are about to have a sham (show) trial of Sean Fitzpatrick which will cost us a fortune and the outcome will be. Mistakes were made but we won’t let that happen again. Sean might even get a few quid out of it.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:43 AM

    Add NAMA into that as well.

    An organisation cloaked in secrecy created and run by the same well connected everything to lose brigade.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:00 AM

    These are huge headline making revelations, this is in the publics interest as it effects every household in the country yet no newspapers are printing it and the guards aren’t investigating.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:00 AM

    And the next question should be why are the Government doing deals in the first place with companies using offshore vehicles to avoid tax liabilities?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:04 AM

    Thomas – Pray tell us – What are ‘Real’ Political Parties ?

    I will be amused , I’m sure , to read your ‘explanation’ !!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:06 AM

    Waddler
    You would make a great investigative journalist. Thats actually astounding stuff. Good post.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:11 AM

    @an ciarrioch – i’d hazard a guess he means political parties that have a democratic process as its core – not window dressing like Provisional Sinn Féin. You know the one with the leader for life and no dissent among his followers – sorry supporters.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:23 AM

    Great point David.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:25 AM

    Well FG did make help o brien make his fortune,the awarding of the mobile phone licence stank to high heaven and the fact that Lowry was involved only pushes home that point,of course john Bruton that great gravy train apologist slug for the banks was leader then

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:35 AM

    Sergeant – Are you Thomas Aquinas as well ?

    I see that his ‘Contribution’ was removed by The Editor !

    I wonder why ? Hahaha !

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:44 AM

    Seamus,

    I can’t take credit for those revelations on the Siteserv deal. It’s an extract from broadsheet.ie. The full article is linked above.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:47 AM

    Yates comments on an article about Fine Gael corruption, by mentioning the love of his life Sinn Fein. Get a life Yates you sad sack!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:48 AM

    Legal firms should not be allowed work for sellers and buyers simultaneously as its a conflict of interest.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:53 PM

    Yeah Druid, but even if they couldn’t, the pin stripes would be sharing desserts in Guilbalds so the outcome would be end up the same anyway.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 2:06 PM

    He’s also got friends in FF, what favours were returned for Brian Cowen’s job in Topaz?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:53 AM

    Hmmm fact its not on front pages today makes me suspect all is not been told.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:47 AM

    Dukes statement says that it was 2 years after the sale of siteserv that the irishwater meter contracts were fist discussed in public.

    Yet, on broadsheet.ie it says that it was just over 1 year after the sale that siteserv was awarded the contract.

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/03/05/denis-obrien-fine-gael-and-the-water-meter-deal/

    And there are quotes from Phill Hogan 1 month after siteserv was sold in which he said the plan was to have every house metered within 2 years.

    Fishy.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:58 AM

    You can smell the lying from the whole rotten to the core lot of them. They must think we are all bloody stupid. Like I said before government is a cesspool of corruption it’s rotten to the core. Lie after lie were being told.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:02 AM

    It appears something is not quite right about this whole thing… the so called smartest people in the country always amaze me how stupid they are time and time again.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:46 AM

    Exactly what I thought.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:02 AM

    “Dukes said that all aspects of the deal were considered and in “the best course of action available” in the interests of the State.”

    Dukes neglected to mention that the interests of the citizens and those of the State are often diametrically opposed in this little “republic” of ours.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:31 AM

    Christina,
    The company is Siteserv not Sireserv.

    I think Sireserv is a equine stud in Kildare!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:26 PM

    corrupt people dont need smarts,just neck and for everybody else to be quite

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 5:25 PM

    The Sinister Fringe.There is also the little know fact that John Tierney in his time as Dublin City manger purchased all these s/h smart meters under instruction from Phil Hogan. This was before Siteserve, or IW was even broached in the Dail, never mind in public.
    There is a whole complex of issues surrounding IW, in the how, what, who and why of it all. The more we hear, the more corrupt the whole thing is.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:54 AM

    More snakeyness & cronyism. Sickens me how these guys use the publics money to their own greedy ends. The dog on the street can see it for what it is.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:03 AM

    Well I just want to make it clear that in respect to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that
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    and further more Fine Gael clarity is xxxXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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    So as you can see it’s very top secret so CLEARLY nothing to see here.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:22 AM

    OOOH , heavily redacted . nice one .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:29 AM

    Fg/lab out stroke FF again..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:29 AM

    Clearly the former FG leaders Alan Dukes and Micheal Noonan are part of the problem.
    An opinion on this matter from Dukes / Noonan is about as useful as the view of Denis O’Brien.

    FG have out Fianna Fáiled Fianna Fáil!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:40 AM

    On Vincent Browne last night, Catherine Murphy showed the level of ‘redacted’ content in her ROI request. It was unbelievable, page after page of blacked out text.

    Shame on the government, they make FF look like amateurs.

    Election now.

    To all that defend this, one word for you, Traitor.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:44 AM

    Poor Duke’s respect level when he became the public interest director quickly waned when he was wheeled out to justify obviously dodgy deals. The fact that Noonan is a declared benefactor in cleaning the banks bad debts should have triggered warning lights, and introduce another obviously dodgy deal involving Siteserve and it just gets worse.

    The only way the tax payer in Ireland is going to get any good from this is of they make a long term bet with paddy power that a tribunal in 10 years time will highlight massive corruption in everything to do with IBRC, long after these characters have left the scene with their bags of gold.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:59 AM

    The Minister for Finance looks after the Minister for Finance first as per usual,well he is a member of Fine Gael so it’s hardly a surprise.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:17 PM

    how the people of limerick voted him in to office after his record with the Hep C is just beyond me

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:46 PM

    Its disgraceful what’s going on and enda Kenny refusing to answer questions this morning in the dail. He needs to remember he works for the people of Ireland who pay his wages and that of his government.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:54 PM

    Let’s not forget that Joan Burton cannot be allowed to blame Sinn Féin for this one.
    Labour have left Government for a lot less.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 1:12 PM

    Ireland a great little country to do corruption in.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:26 PM

    Because they are stupid?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:54 AM

    So many unanswered questions. The deal and the award of the meter contract needs to be looked at. Stinks to high heaven

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:50 AM

    Nothing to see folks, move along. It’ll be out of the news soon.

    Oh sorry it won’t even make the news on many ‘news’ providers

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:22 AM

    Nothing on this on the RTE 9pm news last night, but they did have time to share the twitter exchange between the Joan Collins’. Says it all.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:52 AM

    Serious amount of underhanded ness went on here.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:52 AM

    It was in the best interests of the state…..(he left out a small bit at the end- the leaders of the state NOT the citizens of the state).

    Writedowns for struggling home-owners…….NO
    Writedowns for companies that Denis o Brien wants to buy……….YES

    And RTE this morning seemed more interested in telling us about the Kylie Jenner challenge………

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:25 AM

    it is incredible isn’t it.

    The echos through the halls of RTE on this reveal a lot.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:49 AM

    He would wouldn’t he.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:53 AM

    Amazing how quiet Labour are in all of this

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:02 AM

    Nothing about this whole fiasco is shocking anymore. This and previous governments have made corruption the norm,unfortunately.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:39 AM

    The minister for communication isn’t quiet on it ,read his defence of the deal .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:01 AM

    Why was the entire Comments Section removed from The Catherine Murphy TD , version of this article in The Journal.ie last evening ?

    Was there Journalistic Executive freedom of speech interference , from a higher quarter involved ?

    Was there Legal Threat interference involved from an Irish Water / Denis O’Brien source ?

    I and I’m sure , many of your Readership , would appreciate your Editorial response to these questions ?
    ASAP please ?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:29 AM

    Interestingly – The Comments in the first article , have just been reinstated.

    But no explanation , as to why they were removed , in the first instance !!!

    Can we have an answer please ?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:50 AM

    corrupt filth

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:28 AM

    Thats sad but true Fintan

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:16 PM

    Ah sure that’s grand so Michael.We’ll take your word for it and move along so sir.*doffs cap*.Sorry for even bringing it up sir.

    By the way I notice the trolls are deafening in their silence on this again.I guess they haven’t gotten the official narrative from HQ yet.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 5:34 PM

    Noonan and O’Brien.
    Fellow Bilderbergers.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:03 AM

    This is what happens when ‘pocket stuffers’ get into politics.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:52 AM

    Such an honest looking fellow, of course we believe you….

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:53 AM

    Did he have Any involvement in the sale of the taoiseach and hiss rat FG and labour minions to dob? Or was that purchase completed at that stage?

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    Mute Rory J Leonard
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:21 AM

    …stated by Dept of Finance that deal was poorly executed.

    Now there’s an understatement!

    It would appear that Siteserve Management was instrumental in negotiating terms and actually executing the deal. That’s a little unusual, especially since with exiting shareholders (the ultimate risk takers) secured a €5 m payoff, whilst State took a bath on debt write off.

    Those terms may, at the time, have been in the best interests of IBRS and Siteserve employees, but our state certainly got a raw deal, given Anglo 100% bailout loss of circa €30 bn.

    Since exiting shareholders got a cash payoff, why didn’t state get say a 10% equity interest in restructured Siteserve which could be cashed in down the line, to at least recover something from the whole shambles. And surprise, surprise Siteserve is now a very profitable company.

    Micheal Martin and Catherine Murphy are right to demand answers, as ultimate owner of Siteserve is just too close to FG for comfort.

    I know a stink when I smell one!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:30 AM

    Alan Dukes former leader of Fine Gael and finance minister but hey no conflict of interest here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbE4ZHIzvTY
    Look at the contempt he shows for the qustions.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:05 AM

    Squeaky bum time in the corridors of power. Hopefully!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:24 AM

    This FG/LAB shower have overstayed their welcome. Give us a general election now and move on. Yee are a government of Europe , not for the Irish people. The electorate can’t wait to f##ck you out for good.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:42 AM

    Enda Kenny decided 2 years ago next elections are in apr/may 2016!! ;) now its only 12 months away we might as well continue to shame ourselves by waiting til he allows us to vote in this broken democracy

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:21 AM

    Time to circle the wagons again lads.

    Golden circle that is.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:10 AM

    Banana Republic.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:52 AM

    Much worse than that. Here a lot still believe that it isnt. In most banana republics, it’s people know that they’re living in one.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:23 AM

    See John, you made a mistake there with the word ‘Republic’.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:39 AM

    To quote Mandy Rice Davies ‘Well he would say that wouldn’t he?!’

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:14 AM

    Can anyone tell me why Siteserv was in the hands of IBRC in the first place?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:53 AM

    So it could be lined up for Delta.Oscar .Bravo.

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    Mute Chris
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:43 AM

    The man doth protest too much

    Methinks that there will be plenty more twists and turns in this sleazy saga.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 5:00 PM

    … and as long as they keep it twisting and turning until after the GE, then everyone will be happy…

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:53 AM

    Politicians not telling the truth and doing underhanded, sneaky things to help people who pay towards their political parties……..I wont hear of it instead ill be a government cheerleader and praise all the hard work done and rabble out stats about the economy and jobs along with rainbows, bunnies and unicorns

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:24 AM

    I smell Shiiite

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:04 AM

    Dukes and O’Brien…Lowry and O’Brien
    aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:16 AM

    PS
    BIFFO and O’Brien…Noonan and O’Brien
    aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:00 AM

    Its great to know Failgeal / liebore are carrying on the strong Fianna failure tradition of corruption and generally looking after themselves and there rich buddies .Endas script writers must be in over drive making up more lies to spin .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:26 AM

    I was watching Vincent Browne last night….and I was ashamed to watch as I seen these heavily redacted papers from the Dept of Finance being shown by Deputy Murphy were on view for all to see…..They were nothing but pages of blackness……its supposed to be a government of openness and transparency and Finance handed pages of blacked out A4 to Catherine Murphy , it was a right insult.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:53 AM

    The political establishment is rotten to the core we should demand a change.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:58 AM

    Of course, the beauty about this is that IBRC still exists thanks in part to David Drumm – so that some record still exists of what happened.
    Makes me wonder about what else Prom Night was designed to hide.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:14 AM

    The Hall case was between the high court and supreme court. The IBRC bill was about not allowing the Supreme Court from ruling on the legality of FF’s prom notes…

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:33 AM

    We should dissolve the Dáil and save the money because as far as I can tell all the major decisions affecting Ireland are either decided by Angela in Germany or Denis in Malta and just carried out by their spokesman in Ireland (Enda Kenny)

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:39 AM

    I just checked the rte/Irish times and indo sites and this story isn’t mentioned on any of them. Maybe it’s a non story to those organizations. If not its very disturbing

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:15 PM

    Representing The Elite, and a gangster with your initials Damian come to mind.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:35 AM

    I’m so, so, so glad I my vote for an ‘end to cronyism’ made such a difference…. FG … NEVER, NEVER again! Not even a preference as long as I live. I will do as much as can to persuade other to do the same.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:21 AM

    Corruption, corruption, corruption. Remove this government with mass nonpayment and a no vote in endas referendums and force a GE,guaranteed. Nothing but austerity and lies from them.send them a message of no confidence in endas referendums and to future governments that we are not taking this sort of shit anymore.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:38 AM

    They are all happy with the brown envelopes they received the usual nothing to see move on

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:15 AM

    Kenneth, its logins to secret Swiss HSBC accounts these days.

    http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/hsbc-tax-1927943-Feb2015/

    FREE the HSBC 350, this injustice has to end!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:47 AM

    They’re to busy to answer question they’re busy dreaming up new taxes and refining the broadcasting tax we have to pay RTE royalty y ’know. Hey look over there at those water protester thugs never mind what we’re doing.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:18 AM

    One big happy club that the rest of us just ain’t in ! Anybody know how you get in ? Anybody? ? Helloooooooo

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:17 PM

    Zero morals and integrity are a prerequisite to join, so that rules out most of us.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:00 AM

    Right lads this Irish Water quango is gonna be a real money dispensing cow, how do we get some?
    Our oul mate over in IBRC is sure to have a vehicle we can hijack..
    Then we have our other oul mate from digisat days to drive on this smash and grab. .
    Sorted lads, lets get to work.
    Remember lads keep it hush! !!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:55 AM

    Just back from the newsagent , nothing on the front pages about this business , redacted i suppose . I smell a rat .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:16 AM

    Looked after his buddies

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:46 AM

    Why did IBRC write off the debt v fire the sale of Siteserv?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:47 AM

    Meant to say “why did IBRC write off the debt before the sale of Siteserv”.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:25 AM

    Is there ever not going to be an article on our dodgy govt dealings. It’s tiresome.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:21 PM

    Expect Jean McConville, Gerry McCabe and Mairia Cahill pullout special in this week’s Sunday Independent. Quick look over there!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:58 AM

    We need more like Catherine Murphy to help bust this open….is it a bird?…..is it a plane?….no…it’s Shane Ross!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 12:53 PM

    Every right thinking person in the country should be demanding answers from their TDs (phoneing, emailing,etc.) And Labour, if they have a shred of guts left, has to walk away this time, it’s gone way too far. We are being robbed under our very noses by a clique who have done it before and can again walk away with impunity. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 1:01 PM

    Lets not examine it save a couple of million we all know nothing will ever come of it the boys club will cover each others backs

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:03 AM

    I’m awaiting Waddlers copy and paste AAA response

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:11 AM

    Apparently he has discovered evidence that money is transmitted electronically and the money supply is controlled by central banks and fractional lending. It’s dynamite if he can prove it.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:23 AM

    If you guys are perfectly happy with this carry one, I actually feel sorry for you.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:22 AM

    You’re missing the point of my post. The AAA will use any excuse to copy and paste their “information” and promote themselves and it’s all copy and paste stuff, and usually on a tangent to what the news topic is about. It rehashed, rehearsed and cleared by the leaders which essentially makes the posters of the stuff the sheep that they claim every other party follower is. Hypocrisy at its finest.

    By the way I do not accept the behavior I’m the actual news story one bit, its a disgrace but so is the AAA opportunism to push their views in our faces constantly

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    Mute Stephen Grehan
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 4:06 PM

    The blueshirt and labour lackeys, plus cult troll follower’s are giving the people of this country the two finger’s as they could’nt care less about the optics of yet another story of cronyism and corruption. This sorry state of affairs should bring down irish water and hopefully this pox of a goverment.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 7:57 AM

    More media smearing of our political classes.

    First it was poor Gerry Adams and now it’s Noonan. When will the tsunami stop?

    There must be an election coming up.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:50 AM

    sooner we have an election the sooner we can get rid of these filthy, disgusting, lying vermon called politicians

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    Mute Jason Bourne
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:50 AM

    People have/can see what you were/are trying to there/here.

    You should try to be less obvious.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:06 AM

    And replace them with what?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:18 AM

    Nodding dogs!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:32 AM

    Unconnected vetted individuals who
    sign up to direct democracy and recall .

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:44 AM

    At this stage anything or anyone would be better than the corrupt nepotism and cronyism that thos country has endured from FF,FG, lab or the greens..
    That attitude of ‘ better the devil you know’ only perpetuates the devilish behaviour we get from the ‘ establishment’..

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:46 AM

    We need an exorism…

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:18 AM

    I see that ‘OneTrueVoice’ is the latest apologist account. Well done sir, another proud loyal Irishman.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:22 AM

    @Eamonn Maloney

    Remember at the last election, the way anyone was better than FF/Greens.

    We how have another two parties to add to that list.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:36 PM

    Or is Michael Noonan the new Lowry ?.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 6:28 PM

    Is Alan Dukes going to be the new Lowry ?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:46 AM

    There must be an election imminent when Catherine Murphy is asking questions.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:59 AM

    I’d be surprised if this one doesn’t get her re-elected.
    It took a while for her to get an answer, but wasn’t it worth it?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:43 AM

    Not a dicky bird about this online by Independent.ie, anyone know why?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 10:52 PM

    The appointment of KPMG to do the review is crazy.

    KPMG were involved in the sale!

    A total conflict of interest!

    We live in a crazy Country!

    No honesty! No accountabability!

    Why should shareholders in this insolvent Company be paid €5,000,000 at the expense of the Irish Taxpayers?

    The company could have been put into Examinership and sold with the approval of the High Court.

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