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A CORK COUNCILLOR who has been campaigning to have street names in the city changed to remove colonial-era influences has come in for criticism once again for the wording of a new poster.
Independent councillor Diarmaid Ó Cadhla of the Cork Street Names Campaign hung posters reading ‘Vulgar Victoria the Famine Queen Shame on Cork” around the city.
The Cork Street Names Campaign objects to the continued use of street names that stem from British colonialism. Ó Cadhla’s unusual campaign first came to light in February of this year, for painting over street name signs.
The ‘Vulgar Victoria’ posters, advertising Ó Cadhla’s public meeting, caused a stir in the last few days – and C103′s Cork Today fielded a number of calls on the subject.
Caller Nancy told presenter Patricia Messinger yesterday that she witnessed British tourists taking photos of the poster.
“I was walking around the city centre yesterday and I was disgusted to see posters up about the name Victoria and these posters referring to Irish history and Queen Victoria,” she said.
She added:
I feel this is so embarrassing for Ireland and Cork as we are trying to attract tourists and with Brexit this is the last thing we need.
‘Genocide’
Messinger later spoke to Ó Cadhla about the reasoning behind his campaign signs.
“The point of the campaign is that we should not honour people who were responsible for the genocide against the Irish people,” Ó Cadhla said.
He suggested that the streets in question should be named after historical Irish figures instead.
Messinger told Ó Cadhla that a number of residents living on streets named after the British monarchy didn’t want the names to be changed.
The councillor responded:
“There are quite a number of people all over who think that you should leave things as they are. I suspect public opinion may be divided, maybe 50/50.
“There names are offensive to a huge portion of our population,” he said.
Why do we use names that cause such division and controversy amongst the people? We shouldn’t do that. We should have better values and respect our ancestors.
Ó Cadhla said there were “at least” 100 such posters hung around Cork city. He said they were now being removed, in line with bye-laws governing posters that advertise public meetings.
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It’s all part of Irish history, leave them be. Surely he could focus his energy on something more productive for the cork ppl.
@Phil Sheppard: It’s the predominance of ‘Royal’ names is the problem.
Albert, Victoria, George are all over the place in Cork.
@TonyFantozi: Not the Albert we are talking about…
The names themselves are not the problem, the connotations of the names are the problem.
I am sure there are no streets in London named after German heroes.
@eastsmer #IRExit: The whole royal family since George I are German!
@eastsmer #IRExit: ah it’s only because Cork was more welcoming and British then dublin despite the grief the dubs get for being west brits. Sure it’s stems back…. the rebel county sure…. it doesn’t come from 1916-1922
@eastsmer #IRExit:
“I am sure there are no streets in London named after German heroes.”
Maybe because the Germans never colonised Britain?
@eastsmer #IRExit: guess what ?they’re all over Dublin too. There is more pressing matters going on in each county & the country.
@Phil Sheppard: this guy is a total headbanger, im just thankful hes not hanging up pro life posters.
@Larry Doyle: that’s why they changed their name, they were embarrassed
@Drogspur: __ The Germanic people did a fair bit of colonising in Britain, or much of the English language wouldn’t have come from that part of the World.
@Ted Murray: are you talking about the Saxons? Who settled in, not colonised, Great Britain, not just England during the Middle Ages?
@Karen Wellington: No, it’s the Angles he’s after.
@eastsmer #IRExit: Victoria’s Albert was German
@Cathal P Forde: out of interest, the royal family in England were always English and have a lineage back to king William. They took the German house name from Albert, but the lineage and issue were always English. The first king (Edward VIII) was never a member of any Risk family apart from the English. All of which is irrelevant, because the streets are not named in loyalty to the English royal family, but rather to the sponsors who supported the building of the roads who often owes their position to the king and queen at the time. If they want to rename them after republican heroes, then build a new city centre and do it, but don’t change their history just cause.
@TonyFantozi: was
@Karen Wellington: “who settled in, not colonised”
They invaded, subjugated and “settled” and more arrived once their influence and position was consolidated and secure. How is that not colonisation?
@Phil Sheppard: The thing about history is that it’s created in the present. So if the names are changed now, we’ll just look back in 50 years or so and say, removing British influence was part of Irish history.
I neither agree or disagree with the name changes, can see both sides of the argument.
Typical bigoted rwvisioni
@Kevin Andrew: point taken, I used to drive a taxi around Dublin, & you get to know the streets/roads/areas & a lot of them are named after British Generals, Irish politicians, and even famous fecking horses. You have Arkle road, ballymoss road up in leopardstown co.dublin. I say leave them be. It is what it is. :)
@Beachmaster: __ and the Jutes :p
@TonyFantozi: So we’re all the Georges, so are the members of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha / Windsor. Several members of the latter were Nazi sympathisers. Some of them currently are Nazi sympathisers.
Some people in Cork it seems with little else to do but think up daft campaign’s, might be better to join their local tidy towns to clean up the place rather than litter it.
@Chris Kirk: Maybe they should also clean up the massive famine graveyard up on Carr’s hill on the way to Carrigaline where the ‘famine’ victims were buried in mass graves while ‘Albert’ and ‘Victoria’ sat on their thumbs.
@eastsmer #IRExit: Have you started it yourself?
@Chris Kirk: some people on cork disagree with u
@eastsmer #IRExit: well said,tip the hat still alive and well here,some ppl are still Anglophiles
@Chris Kirk: I’m wondering if he’ll start a campaign to rename Waterford. Bearing it mind it was founded and named by those charming Viking fellows and all. Doubt it somehow…
@eastsmer #IRExit: Absolutely why not, we clean up local graveyards for tidy towns regardless of who is buried in them.
@eastsmer #IRExit:
Victoria was the single biggest contributer to Irish Famine Relief.
The myth about the Sultans donation being too big is just that, a complete myth.
A quote from Trevalyn which you never see publicised here is “Under no circumstances should anybody be allowed starve”, but selective quoting is common amongst some.
And McCurtain St used to be called King St. but it was named after a local business family with the surname King.
@sean o’dhubhghaill: It is indeed ironic that some folks in Cork feel bitter about Queen Victoria, when their neighbours in Kerry felt the complete opposite. The queens visit to Killarney in 1861, she remained there for eight days.
@Chris Kirk: wish she stayed there
@Harry Whitehead: The Vikings didn’t cause a Great Hunger in Ireland !!
langer
@Larry Roe: well put
A councillor defacing public property ! A waste of hard earned tax payers money repairing/ cleaning up after him.
He should lose his job.
How about some accountability please!
@Theunpopularpopulist: the councillor has morals
@Theunpopularpopulist: this guy is not a city councillor where his vandalism takes place. He is a county councillor where he wasn’t elected but appointed after someone retired. Local residents should have a say in the name of their road not the village attention seeker.
@prop joe: Local residents never had a say in assigning Victoria, Albert and in Dublin Westmoreland, Dorset etc to their streets.
Like it or not he has a point.
Housing estates for example with little imagination would name themselves as Surrey Park if they could get away with it.
I would agree more with the opposition to naming so many housing estates with quaint english names just to flog them off when really we should be looking longer term…there are so many other options such as names with a geographical,historic, or even international theme. If street names have survived our independence movement then surely they shouldn’t be that distasteful in the 21st century.
@winston smith: I suppose theres a point in that. When you hear an address named after Irish historical figures it does summon an image of a council estate or flat complex. Right or wrong, it probably factors into value and why developers and chambers rarely opt for rebel names.
@eastsmer #IRExit: they have done so,Tiffany downs,t the mews,windsor this and that,sickening
@winston smith: It’s a strange one…McCurtain St was known as King St until Independence and there was a Queen St somewhere else but these streets’ names were left unchanged. I don’t think changing them now is going to bring back any famine victims from the dead though.
It’s 2017, can we not now collectively as a nation be mature enough to acknowledge our colonial past and not be beholden to it? English street names represent a part of our shared history, they should be maintained as being representative of a period of history that helped shape the country we are today. The good cllr should focus his seemingly considerable energies into other more productive activities.
@James Dunne: sure but doesnt mean we cant change the names, i all for it .its great idea
@James Dunne: No their time is long past. They ran our country into the ground and starved millions. The people who shaped our country into what it is today are every man, woman and yes even the children who gave their lives for our freedom. Take a tour of Moore Street Dublin where people are still working so hard to preserve our history. You and others here need a refresher course in out history. Slán.
He needs to go home and contemplate why only 1100 people voted for him last time out.
@Honeybadger197: Or in simpler terms, he got the nod from 1.8% of the voters.
@Honeybadger197: I think it was actually 487. What it fails to mention is that he in a Cork County Councillor and co-opted at that. He’s failed to get on the city council in several attempts.I wonder what the people he’s supposed to be representing in Cobh think about his focus on Cork City.
@Chris Mansfield: Those were the figures from 2011 Chris. Either way he’s an irrelevance. Id say they’re delighted, if this is the sum total of his contribution…
@Honeybadger197: ,1100 more than u
@billy Dorney: Good man Diarmaid, glad you could join us. :)
@Honeybadger197:
I’ll vote for him.
Prefer royal names over housing estates named after St Anto’s holy toenails
@Dermot Mc: idiot
I find some of the nationalist street names offensive and statues of an ‘Irish’ man who claims American status when it suits. Can I go and vandalise them and demand they are changed?
@GClare: You find Nationalist street names offensive. Go back home to England! I hope you do vandalise something and get arrested for it
@GClare: Dev the traitor
@GClare:
Who is that ‘American’ man?
Should he not be fined for illegal littering?
@Deborah Behan: no
@billy Dorney: yes
I to use to get angry at the Brits been here, till I read up on it and all our history. It far more complex than what we believe and what we told. If one thing we should be more angry at the church.
@: It depends where you read your history. As a general rule if it has “Oxford University Press” on the cover, you can ignore it as unionist rubbish (I wouldn’t mind if it was properly sourced unionist history, but when you look through the footnotes, it’s very one sided).
Dead right we were forced Catholic propaganda masquerading as history.
@: the Roman Church colluded with the English against us. We should get rid of both.
@: BOTH DESERVE OUR ANGER !
Wow, that is the most tragically pathetic campaign I have yet heard of. Imagine having the time (and money) to invest in a campaign to seek some kind of revenge on people who have been dead for over 100 years and then try to claim they are doing it because they think that other people are being offended! Your littering of the streets with that poster is much more revealing of both your attitude to Cork and your desire to raise your own profile.
Dublin should do the opposite, that’ll probably send him over the edge, start with changing Dun Laoghaire back to Kingstown!
@Gary Mason: “Bring Back Sackville Street!”
@Glascott Richard Symes: Now you’re just being silly.
@Larry Doyle: still there,didnt move
Shouldn’t English people be banned too – it was their ancestors who caused all the trouble¿¡
@Paul Foot: No, technically most of us arrived from the Island of Britain.
All the trouble was caused by those who tried to impose their will on us – the likes of the Victorias and Alberts of this world.
@Paul Foot: if some people had their way they’d do this.
This idiot should be fined for painting over street signs,
@eastsmer #IRExit: Albert was the Queen’s husband for 20 years – what did he have to do with Ireland?
@eastsmer #IRExit: British rule was enforce by the Irish not the English . Irish police force . Irish military . Irish politicians elected by the Irish people . It was the Irish along side its neighbours that participated in colonialism and enforce British rule across the Empire .
@eastsmer #IRExit: actually we colonise many parts of Britain long before the Brits step foot in Ireland . https://youtu.be/4vd8BnQJc5Y
@Tommy Whelan:
Irish protestant landlords and their seaneen collaborators Tommy and you would start to get a better gist for our history. What elections were those, could you give some examples of when those elections took place and who exactly was entitled to vote.
@Tommy Whelan: Well said Tommy. Dont forget Scotland. The very name is derived from Scotti who were an Ulster Gaelic tribe who supplanted pict culture in northern Britain over a 400 year period between 600- 1000 AD. Both islands are awash with descendants from settlers from the other island.
@eastsmer #IRExit:
Most of us arrived from Britain?
Where did you study history, Hartlepool Polytechnic? You’re quite ignorant.
Even though I have little time for the Councillor he has a good point. Have we no pride as Irish people anymore? Go to France. How many of the streets in every small village and town are named after Germans? Names of French people in France why would it not be Irish here? It would also generate positive interest in the media and generate tourism if Done properly.
It’s called living in the past – they couldn’t even black out the street name properly – left one word in both languages
Can I then do the same to all places named after representitives of the Catholic Church considering what they have done to this country?
He’s right she was the famine queen
What’s the big deal?
He’s right ! Refreshing so , no attempt at PC HERE!! Well done
Take a bow,those who are not ashamed of our history,identity,vulgar Victoria,and her minions,should be obliterated from all place names all over Ireland,,,too many seaneens in our fair isle,who wish to gloss over John bulls atrocities in Ireland.
@billy Dorney: Checks calendar…. yep deffo 2017
@Chemical Brothers: doesn’t change facts,whatever year
Love the English names, architecture, English market, cobbled lanes, French Quarter, old cork, new cork, UK has whole areas that are predominantly irish and there is an Irish pub everywhere in the world so maybe after he has finished changing the street names in cork, he dhould pop around the globe and get rid of them too.
@Catriona:
Did that make sense to you when you wrote it?
@Joseph Caulfield: It made sense to me when I read it.
@Joseph Caulfield: yep certainly did
@Catriona: Did you forget to take you’re meds today ?
@Catriona:
That’s stupid nonsense.
If every trace of British rule is erased, Ireland will have no history. For better or worse, British and Irish history are forever intertwined.
@Steven C. Schulz: we had history before the English language existed.
@Steven C. Schulz:
You show your ignorance.
It has been done in Dublin city changing street names to those of famous Irish people why not Cork. But i believe the residents of each street should have the final say as it is them who actually live there
@Cathal P Forde:
You’re dreamng. It hasn’t been done in Dublin for generations.
When was the last change? I bet you don’t know.
This guy O Cadhla is on a solo run. He has no support in Cork and anyone I’ve spoken to thinks he is a complete LANGER.
He should say a prayer to st Langer …
He’s going the wrong way about it. Definitely should be changed though.
This guy should meet up with the American lad who ram-raided the ten commandments statue for a freedom party.
@Fred O’Connor: the 10 commandments man was right. The US is a secular state, placing religious statues etc outside federal and state buildings goes against the principle of a secular country, which is what the founding fathers wanted their country to be
The names should be changed to commemorate Irish people and not english royalty.
@Joseph Caulfield:
And name one street John Caulfield Street
I’ve seen these posters and they’re vulgar. We need people who aren’t consumed by the past in politics. Why Sinn Fein annoys the hell out of me harping on about united ireland 24/7
@6ljJQRRU: guess why?
I’m sure there would be no objection to a Shakespeare St. or a Milton St. but the names we have are undeniably political and it is legitimate to subject them to political criticism. I agree they should be changed and replaced with names of artists, musicians and writers from Ireland and elsewhere. As for people having better things to do Cllr. O’Cadhla is one of the most active and energetic people in the city. I can’t understand why people get so upset when someone come along with a new perspective.
There are dozens of party hacks who have no interesting opinions and are only in it for what they can get out if it. How has that worked out for us?
@Simeon: His reward for being active and energetic was 1.8% of the vote at the last election. This “new perspective” is of zero relevance to anything that matters to voters.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just rename them after Albert Reynolds and Victoria Smurfit.
Maybe we should change them to the names of Irish patriots like, Bertie, Seanie, Paddy the Plaster etc…..?!
Cork people.
Josef Stalin airbrushed political figures out of photos and records
They still existed
Absolute daft initiative .
@Quentin Moriarty: She contributed one farthing for each of her beloved Irish subjects.When the Oman of Turkey offered 10,000 she asked him to reduce it to 1000 lest it shame her. The cost of ONE of her state coaches alone was 10 times what she contributed. Her personal fortune on her death was 150 million pounds, equal to over 100 billion in todays money. She despised and hated the Irish.Councillor Ó’Cadhla is 100 per cent right.
@Quentin Moriarty: She contributed one farthing for each of her beloved Irish subjects.When the Oman of Turkey offered 10,000 she asked him to reduce it to 1000 lest it shame her. The cost of ONE of her state coaches alone was 10 times what she contributed. Her personal fortune on her death was 150 million pounds, equal to over 100 billion in todays money. She despised and hated the Irish.Councillor Ó’Cadhla is 100 per cent right.
@Quentin Moriarty: She contributed one farthing for each of her beloved Irish subjects.When the Oman of Turkey offered 10,000 she asked him to reduce it to 1000 lest it shame her. The cost of ONE of her state coaches alone was 10 times what she contributed. Her personal fortune on her death was 150 million pounds, equal to over 100 billion in todays money. She despised and hated the Irish.Councillor Ó’Cadhla is 100 per cent right.
I’d like to have a certain street in Dublin 8 renamed. Hint: there’s a maternity hospital on it.
At least the councillor was abreast of current Irish issues…
Place names are very important in creating place. Constant repetition of a name with a dark history makes some continuously feel the oppressive hand of former colonisers. Look at reactions to Britains embassy in Tehran being on Bobby Sands Road…
“The Iranian government officially changed the name of the street where the British Embassy is based from Winston Churchill Street to Bobby Sands Street in 1981. In response the British government sealed the entrance to the embassy on Bobby Sands Street and knocked through a wall into Ferdowsi Avenue to create a new entry point. Despite reported lobbying by the UK to change the name, it remains Bobby Sands Street. ”
Tiociadh ar lar lols
They are an offence against the dignity of the Irish Nation. Other free nations do not commemorate those who oppressed and degraded them. There is no reason to commemorate the figurehead of a country and empire whose policy was that ‘The Celt should be as rare on the banks of the Shannon as the Blackfoot on the banks of the Delaware’. We should remove them all and replace them with names of women and men who aided human progress. Genocidal and parasitic regimes should not be honoured at the expense of the descendants of their victims.
We were part of the UK for over 100 years with ties to Britain going back even further. Trying to eradicate every trace of British influence in Ireland would require burning most of our cities to the ground & starting again. What an utterly ridiculous campaign. These kinds of antics also send out the message to northern unionists that they will never truly belong in a united Ireland should that ever occur.
There are much more pressing matters to worry about. Cop on.
@Deborah Behan: Of course there should. But there won’t.
Eoman Duffy street. Paddy Macs Road. Roy Keane avenue. Glenn whelan drive. Can see these all being popular names
I agree with this campaign. I am a Dubliner, and it is disgusting to live in a city where various British and Anglo-Irish nonentities are perpetually honoured. I have no objection to honouring British people, but let’s honour those who did some good –say Fleming, who discovered Penicillin, or Newton, who formulated the Law of Gravity. Not people like Grafton, Nassau, Dorset etc. Who the hell were they?
It just shows how vacuous was the Irish “Revolution” of 1916-22 that all these Anglo names were left untouched. And of course there is the modern version, tasteless developers who dub their new housing estates Windsor Heights, Torquay Lawns etc.
We were promised something was going to be done about this–it wasn’t.
Tiociadh ar lar lols
Tiociadh ar lar lols
Nothing like an obsession about the distant past to create the future. Maybe we should ban the English language, ban all imports and exports to and from England, ( hello Brexit) and ban all Irish soccer team players from playing with English clubs. At least then we could claim it really is an ” Irish ” team as opposed to what it is at present i.e. England “B”.
Defacing public property is an offence. Why hasn’t this guy been prosecuted ?
Is there special treatment for politicians ?
@Peter O Connor:
That’s rubbish. Those names aren’t in the distant past. Every day you walk on those streets or use those addresses in a letter they are in our PRESENT.
Nonsense on your part.
Chopped Cork….
There’s more importent things to be done besides this shit
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