Normally the Principal an B.O.M. place the ads.

Teachers masquerading as politicians have gotten this country into the mess we are in politics is full of them no business experience just self interest with the cushion of a permanent job if they loose their seat. Also teachers lobby way too powerful in Ireland overpaid underworked and pampered

Not true. The Unions have been vocal on this and adopted a policy against Jobsbridge. Maybe you missed it….

You are a ring piece

Goebong, you have it the wrong way around, they are politicians masquerading as teachers. Here is a link to the last Dail and the TDs former professions.

http://www.politicalworld.org/archive/index.php/t-6990.html

The overwhelming majority who listed teaching are career politicians and most also have a family history in politics.

Therefore it is logical to assume that they train to be teachers with the knowledge that they will have good time off to further their political career while they wait for the older family member to retire and coupled with a fall back if it doesn’t work out.

Lets be clear most of the ‘teachers’ on the list are a million miles away from the typical Irish teacher, most of that shower used teaching as a means to an end.

Eric I stand corrected I never thought of it that way the list does make for scary reading though career politicians

Teachers (including third level):

- Aine Brady
- Tommy Broughan
- Ulick Byrne
- Pat Carey
- Joe Costello
- Ciaran Cuffe
- William Darcy
- Jimmy Deenihan
- Noel Dempsey
- Frank Fahy
- John Gormley
- Tony Gregory
- Mary Hanafin
- Brian Hayes
- Michael D Higgins
- Brendan Howlin
- Enda Kenny
- Tony Kileen
- Michael Kitt
- Tom Kitt
- Ciaran Lynch
- Micheal Martin
- Tom McEllistrim
- Dinny McGinley
- Finian McGrath
- Joe McHugh
- Olivia Mitchel
- Michael Noonan
- Fergus O’Dowd
- Batt O’Keeffe
- John O’Mahony
- Mary O’Rourke
- Brian O’Shea
- Maureen O’Sullivan
- Jan O’Sullivan
- Dick Roche
- Trevor Sargent
- Roisin Shorthall
- David Stanton
- Mary Upton
- Margaret Conlon

Overpaid at 22,000. Underworked by having classes of 30+ kids. Indeed. And every politician is a teacher, aren’t they? All them finance ministers, have they been teachers? Of course not. Don’t let that cloud your agenda though.

Don’t forget this a Labour Party initiative . The country is bent people need to open there eyes to this the Unions are taking little sweet heart deals for their members it’s a divide and conquer attitude by the government .

Yes overpaid and underworked how come you didn’t mention all the paid holidays ??
Doctors nurses firemen and guards are all strength to the limit with cutback and overworked they don’t get almost half the year off in holidays

Niall, Rodrigo is a well known troll. (Or whatever his name is.)

Please excuse my incorrect spelling I know you teachers are trying to enjoy your whole summer off

Also 22k a year not bad for 195 days work a year

Interesting Niall, can’t pass comment on somebody elses job yet you seem more than happy for everybody to slam each and every politician in this country. I’m not saying politicians in this country are faultless, but surely they should be dealt with the same as everybody else in the country?

Now bring on red thumbs for pointing out that people like to be hypocritical, gowan then, journal readers.

Goebong, I assume you’ll be applying to St Pat’s to join this underworked overpaid Utopia as soon as humanly possible.

Its not paid holidays. You’re paid for 9 months, which is actually spread out over a year.

@Daisy Off course he/she won’t. People pontificate from their moral high ground, but wouldn’t last a week in the supposedly cushy job.

No I won’t but I do work in the front line of public services and I’m telling you teachers are pampered and full of self importance

Back this claim up then.

Goebong, there are different conditions for different professions. Doctors may not get long holidays, but they earn far more money than teachers. Firefighters and guards get to retire on full pension at fifty. Nurses are the only ones who don’t earn a fortune and don’t get long holidays – but they do have flexibility in their working hours teachers don’t have.

Yes sounds like trade union accounting at its best .. Teachers have it cushy under performing teachers go unchecked for years damaging Children’s education we all know at least one teacher who should have been sacked years ago
Of course there is some outstanding teachers who go above and beyond

Why then do you pick on the one teacher that should have been sacked, and not the outstanding teachers? Every profession has under performers, doesn’t mean the whole profession are overpaid, underworked.

You mention ‘damaging kids education’. That’s exactly what this scheme does! It limits teachers hours, it de-values their job. You can’t have it both ways.

Your pontificating about the teaching profession backs up everything I said

Yes Goebong because those with all the business experience were so astute when the crash came and slowed the economy down before it imploded then did they?

Why?

How am I pontificating? You’re the one with an agenda, which is clearly clouding your views.

Because we are the same person everybody knows

Agency nurses have some flexibility in working hours – but do not have any job security.
HSE nurses have no flexibility in hours unless you count being asked to work 12 hour rosters, with the only flexibility being to trade places with a colleague.
Compare that with teachers who continually harp on about low pay but keep quiet about the fact it is a part time job.

I know that things have changed recently, but traditionally, nurses worked twelve hour shifts for a few days a week, and had good stretches of free time as a result. I know it’s not as easy now.

Teachers don’t complain about low pay, and certainly don’t “harp on about” it.. We complain at having our pay continuously cut while being asked to do more work, which is not unreasonable, given that our paymasters are not taking similar measures themselves.

I suggest you teach for a year and tell me it’s a part time job…

Your point “family have a history in politics” raises another issue with the political system. People vote because they voted for there father before. Sure the Healy-Rays are still getting a seat……

Gary. Has it reached the stage that a person becomes a troll when he or she expresses their opinion? As far as I’m concerned the Teachers of Ireland are little more than reality dodging leeches.

Who said you aren’t entitled to express an opinion?

The other side of that is that other people are entitled to express their opinions of your opinions.

Just because plenty other people with good qualifications have been forced into these schemes doesn’t mean it’s ok. NOBODY should be forced into them, in fact they shouldn’t be in place in the first place when they offer nothing in the lines of training and have no prospect of a job at the end.

What exactly is the problem you have with the teachers your children have?

There’s not a week goes by when at least one of my children comes home and tells me that their teacher didn’t show, which invariably means that their class is split up and farmed out here there and everywhere. Curiously enough, Mondays and Fridays seem to be the days when teachers find it most difficult to turn up. As I said in a previous post. Reality dodgers who have never experienced real life.

Goebong, Tony Gregory is actually dead you know.

Teachers have had six and now have three uncertified sick days a year, and a limited number of certified days within a period of two years. If someone is persistently missing time on the same days every week, questions would be asked.

However, you didn’t answer my question. I didn’t ask about absences. I asked how you know what the teachers that teach your children are like. Are you in the classroom observing? Are you keeping track and noticing they are falling behind the curriculum? Have you specific problems with their methodology or treatment of your children?

Specifics, please.

Oh my goodness….never looked at it like that before!! Thank you Goebong!! Wow!! These are the people running the country? Incredible!!

The vast majority of current teachers started on 38k and new grads start on 32k(well above grad wages) so I’ll save my pity.

Joe you plucked those figures out of your ample arse anyway

What has the starting salaries of newly appointed teachers got to do with this discussion, Joe? There are very few jobs out there, so very few newly qualified teachers ever get appointed to full time jobs. Most teachers spend years in limbo, subbing and teaching part time.

This discussion is about newly qualified teachers working for the dole (forget the extra fifty quid, because that will be spend on travel, food, clothes etc)

Have a go ..see how easy it is

He’s last five minutes, Edel.

Bankers/politicians coupled with people like joe here is why this country continues to slide down the shitter

Dearbhla whilst it’s not an ideal situation but what you’re describing applies to everyone in almost every industry! It’s only when it becomes an issue for teachers that there’s outcry because they have powerful unions!

Ted I see where you’re coming from.. But why shouldn’ t there be an outcry from all sectors? I think teachers are entitled to their ‘outcry.’ As is any other sector being insulted with the scheme.

No, Dearbhla, it’s not fair. And worse, the teacher in the room next door to you, teaching the same year class, would be getting paid vastly more than you for doing the same job.

Your the troll mrknow why don’t you post with your real name instead of posting abuse .

Nial you have your head up your arse maybe that’s why you talk a load of shite.

Make no mistake about it, job bridge was set up for the sole reason of masking the true unemployment figures in this country. Plain and simple.

Hit the nail on the head there Niall….massaging the figures and getting people ‘working’ for nothing.

100% agree Niall

But TP (teaching practice) is part of your course requirements… Dip or probation is required by the Department of Education/Teaching Council, which you won’t be dealing with until you’re qualified.

Its a personal view that the dip should take place during college. Considering the difficulties and pressure there is on nqts to get it done with no job opportunities and thus being so desperate to get it done they are pushed to consider taking part in jobsbridge.

Ger, I agree that the dip / probation should be done while in college. I had hoped that the new fourth year would include this. I have never understood how anyone graduating with a teaching degree should need a final “stamp of approval” from the DES. If you’re fit to graduate, you’re fit to teach – surely?! If not, there’s something wrong with our training colleges! Some teachers just out of college are drawn to an internship in order to have enough days to complete the dip.

“a scrounger on the dole” – not exactly tarring everyone if I mentioned one person?
Never said everyone, talking about the few we all know who are happy to sit on their arse all day and NOT look for work.

Bigoted? Hilarious. We all know a few scroungers happy to sit by not looking for work on the dole. This isn’t exactly saying everyone is it. And yeah, don’t address any of the other points, just that one. Ok so you rather someone with limited time/interest? I hope you experience this then, and then I assume you won’t complain?

Well put Keith. I definitely don’t want an unappreciated teacher teaching my kids. An unappreciated teacher = an unmotivated teacher, it’s simple. Same goes of course for all professions.

Spot on Gary. And its not just teachers. Its Gards, nurses, doctors, fire men, the lot. If this job ad was for an internship as a nurse or fireman, it would be just as bad.

Keith, the would be job bridge teacher would not be limited to thirty hours a week. That is just time in the classroom. Like all teachers, she or he would have to do extra hours of planning, preparation and correction, because you can’t function as a teacher without it.

The only thing the person shouldn’t do is participate in extra-curricular activities. That IS voluntary. But in a small country school almost impossible to opt out of.

I’m afraid, Gary, if you have kids in school, you DO have an unappreciated teacher teaching them. The government has been on our backs for the past few years, basically telling us that we don’t do anything other than our teaching, and therefore making us stay on the premises for extra hours to have stupid, pointless meetings. They have totally ignored the fact that teachers give countless hours of their own time on extra curricular stuff. So teachers are pretty demotivated at the moment. I see it with my own colleagues, and I know many teachers at primary level too.

I know, in reality, no teacher would ever not do more than 30 hours, much much more goes into the week and weekend than 30 hours.

Its just more false advertising, what I’m saying is if a teacher on this scheme, just playing devils advocate, only puts 30 hours in, what happens if they’re under performing. They’re only doing whats asked of them.

The underpaid and under appreciated points still stand. (yes, i know all teachers are in this current climate, but this job only belittles it more).

I take your point, Keith, but all I want to make clear is that a teacher simply CAN’T underperform in terms of the amount of hours. If you teach for thirty hours a week, you HAVE TO spend several more hours preparing. You can’t just walk into a classroom and say “Ok, lads, what are we going to do today?”
At primary level, there is huge preparation for young teachers, because they have the same class for the entire day, and have to provide stimulus for them for all this time. For every subject, they have to prepare materials – especially with the younger children. There is at least, at least, ten hours involved in planning and preparation. Follow up and corrections could be less, depending on how they do assessments. Older teachers have built up resources and know how, but when you’re new you have very little, so you have to do everything from scratch.
So these “thirty hours a week” jobs can’t be done in thirty hours, and that’s the bottom line.

Jesus would you ever stop whining? You are the reason nobody has the time for teachers anymore. Well paid, pensions, and half the year off yet constantly whinging !!! You’re not doing your colleagues any favours crying like a little girl.

You obviously haven’t taken in a word of what I’ve said. There’s no shame in not grasping a thing the first time; I suggest you go back and read it slowly, breaking up the hard words. This is, if you are actually interested in what was said, which I doubt.

@Gráinne, Bravo!

You are now talking out of your “loop de hoop”. Department of education whole school evaluations are online for all to see. Taking up copies and marking them is a must. If a teacher has 6 classes with on average 25 pupils per class, that equals 150 copies. That’s a lot of correcting. Secondly if you walk into a class unprepared, you would be chewed up and spat out. Preparation is key to classroom management. I did it for a year before taking up a third level post and believe me it was knackering. Unlike lecturing, if you don’t keep a bunch of teenagers engaged, you are screwed.

Very well said Keith.

Peter, primary school student teachers do at least 3 stints of teaching practice where they learn all the skills advertised in the jobsbridge.

Lets be clear, this is not a standard internship where the graduate teachers learn the skills for the first time, the ‘internship’ has been carried out during teaching practice.

This is further proof of exploitation of a vulnerable group people

” so many holes in it it could be used as a triton shower head.” quote of the week!

I’m sorry lads but as an unemployed primary school teacher I’d take that job in a heartbeat. I love the job I chose and I’d do anything to have my own class instead of the endless bouncing from school to school subbing. I’d rather take €50 extra a week than have people giving out about me getting almost €200 a day for subbing.

What about the profession you are a member of? You see nothing wrong with it being reduced to slave labour? You’re happy to work for fifty quid a week for fifty hours work?

Sorry, but you’re a disgrace to the name teacher.

I find your post disgusting to be honest. I’m okay Jack.

What about people calling me a sponger for being on the dole when I can’t get work? There’s no winning in this situation. I love teaching and at the way it’s going I won’t get work any other way.

Also saying I’m a disgrace to the word teacher is a bit dramatic. All I want to do is teach. I’d do it for free.

I’m sorry if I said you were a disgrace, that was a bit strong. But you are letting your profession down by acting as a yellowpack worker. It’s not better, in my opinion, than passing a picket line.

I understand you love to teach; I love it too, and I’m lucky enough to have a job. But I spent over ten years subbing and doing part time work before I got my permanent job. I literally worked a week here, a week there, a day here, a day there. And I taught night classes, and Spanish students in the summer. I did everything I could to get experience. When I couldn’t find a job, I had to go on the dole. But that wasn’t my fault. I never sold out.

There is work out there. It might not be regular or dependable, but at least you can live with yourself if you have a conscience. Do night classes,Why are you so worried about being called a dole sponger but you don’t seem to be worried about letting your colleagues, your profession and yourself down by selling out to this slave labour scheme.

Fair enough, your passion for it is pretty manifest, but if people are willing to take peanuts like this then all you’ll do is make it acceptable. Why the hell would you care about any fool’s opinion or refuse subbing work in favour of slave labour? Respect is the gift man gives himself.

If you work for nothing you will always have work. I blame the unions who are sitting on their backsides doing nothing and collecting colossal wage packets. SIPTU is asking its members to celebrate the centenary of the Lock Out. The Lock Out occurred because the workers united against exploitation but today’s unions are complicit in the exploitation. How long before every profession in Ireland gets their own Job Scheme employee?

Any time you are willing to work “for FREE”, they will let you.

Very witty Mike. Gold star from all the teachers for you apparently. Perhaps you’d like to point out all these flaws in my point. While you’re at it maybe you can answer a simple question: if a hiring manager is faced with two candidates for a job who have equal qualifications and the only difference is that one had not worked in the field for several years perhaps and the other has up to date experience – which one do you think they are more likely to hire? Answer me that.

In the USA years ago African people got great experience in sugar growing and cotton planting. In Russia the serfs were way ahead of everyone when it came to farming, except for the Irish who were great at carving out a subsistence living. The Scottish and Belfast men were the best shipbuilders in the World. Their reward for their hard work and ingenuity? Starvation, misery, emigration, poor health, watching their children die or worse, having to live the squalid life they had. Get a grip. If anyone should be penalised it should be bankers and politicians but I haven’t seen any Job Bridge ads for their jobs.