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This outgoing minister gave us a brutal assessment of where it all went wrong for Labour

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin explained why the seeds of Labour’s demise were sown in 2011 in a wide-ranging interview with TheJournal.ie this week.

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Actually, funnily, bizarrely, the last couple of weeks, since I lost my seat, it’s actually… it’s a little bit of a release. It’s kind of hard to describe.

AS A TD, AODHÁN Ó Ríordáin spent the last five years constantly worrying about his seat, then the worst happened.

After an epic count, lasting several days in the RDS last month, the Labour junior minister, like so many of his colleagues across the country, was relieved of his duties by the voters of Dublin Bay North.

It was a rollercoaster of a weekend. Ó Ríordáin and his team thought for some time that he was going to be okay. But he was unseated after failing to secure sufficient transfers in a crowded field of 20 candidates.

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It was a dreadful election for Labour and despite that personal release from seat anxiety, it was hard to see so many of his colleagues turfed out by an unforgiving electorate.

Everything Ó Ríordáin believed over the last few years, everything he worked to achieve as a Labour TD and then as a minister of state for new communities, culture equality, and drugs strategy was rejected. It hurts him a lot.

“I am so proud of what we’ve done over the last number of years and I’ve fully committed myself to it and I fully believe in it,” Ó Ríordáin told TheJournal.ie this week.

Then you come to an election where it’s been soundly rejected. It’s soundly rejected by the people and coming to that realisation is pretty harsh.

Ó Ríordáin on what it’s been like since he lost his seat:

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“You’re so convinced about something that you join a party, you manage to get yourself elected, you’re involved in it for five years, you’re a minister of state for a period of time, you fully believe in the project and then what you believe in, you get the personal rejection, but you’re [also] roundly rejected.

Everything you’ve been saying for five years has just been absolutely rejected by the people, in the most spectacular way. It’s difficult to pick up the pieces from that.

Labour’s demise was well-flagged. The party, despite its own spin, was on course for a wallop at the polls. But the scale of the collapse was still surprising to many political observers as it won just seven seats, having returned with 37 in 2011.

Ó Ríordáin said it was a strange election, which “was passing people by” even as he and his political colleagues were all busy knocking on doors and arguing on the airwaves. Many voters he encountered were undecided about who to vote for, even as late as the night before going to the ballots.

Where did it go wrong?

But the seeds of Labour’s collapse were sown five years ago, he believes. That is a view shared by many commentators who have pointed to the infamous ‘Every Little Hurts’ Tesco ad in the dying days of the 2011 campaign as a point where the party made it promises it would be unable to honour.

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[The Tesco ad] just showed the kind of the panic that set in to the campaign in 2011 and then you go from that, I mean, I think there was a massive sense of disappointment in 2011 that we only got 19%, that we only got 37 seats.

“I think there was a sense at the beginning of the campaign that this [was] serious breakthrough territory. This [was] going to be 50 or 60 seats territory for the Labour party. Maybe not 60, but certainly in and around major breakthrough point.

So when we got what we got there was almost a sense of disappointment, and from then on it was as if we were always on the back foot.

As someone who has a keen interest in education, Ó Ríordáin also identified Ruairí Quinn’s decision to sign a USI pledge not to increase student fees during the last election as a promise broken when he became education minister.

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“I remember that week. We were all told: ‘Absolutely do not sign, pledge or promise anything because the country is in hoc and we’ve no money.’ When I saw that I thought: ‘What’s he doing that for?’

So, not to blame Ruairi – that was his decision to make in that week but it did kind of give us, as candidates, a sense that there [was] a level of desperation seeping into this campaign here. We thought we were going to do an awful lot better.

During that campaign, there was also ‘Frankfurt’s way or Labour’s way’ – then leader Eamon Gilmore’s infamous insistence that his party would not kowtow to the Troika.

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O Ríordáin believes Labour should have made more of the fact that the party raised the minimum wage and protected core social welfare payments, against the will of its EU/IMF paymasters.

“We could have easily presented to people a number of things that Frankfurt wanted that they didn’t get. From the minimum wage, to the €1.7 billion extra in social welfare cuts, the €600 million extra in tax increases that they wanted, the promissory note,” he said.

We could have listed things that Frankfurt wanted that they didn’t get, but we didn’t do it.

The Kelly factor and Fine Gael’s ‘catastrophe’

He’s reluctant to talk about Alan Kelly’s controversial role in the more recent election campaign.

The Labour deputy leader gave an ill-advised interview to the Sunday Independent in which he said, among other things, that power “is a drug” that suits him. Kelly also faced claims that he verbally attacked Newstalk presenter Chris Donoghue, just one example of how his abrasive style raised many eyebrows.

Kelly has an ego, Ó Ríordáin said, as does everyone in politics (he included himself here). But when pushed on what he really thinks of the outgoing Environment Minister, he had something to say:

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Overall, the campaign didn’t do much to enhance Labour’s chances. Ó Ríordáin believes the party’s warning about the consequences of a Fine Gael/Fianna Fáil coalition came too late.

Furthermore, Labour ended up aligned closely to a party that had an “absolutely catastrophic” campaign.

Whatever campaign we had was in some way aligned to that. So from the overreach on USC – which nobody bought – to the €2 billion that they couldn’t find in their figures, to the Michael Lowry thing – which was again a mistake – to the debates, that were okay but not brilliant, to the ‘whingers’ comment.

“It just went from bad to worse and so, while we expected not to do as well as 2011, a bit like the local elections, Fine Gael did an awful lot worse than they were expecting. So we had hitched ourselves, I suppose, to a re-elect the government message.”

Should Labour have apologised for the broken promises in that Tesco ad and others? Would a bit of humility have benefitted the party at the polls? Ó Ríordáin isn’t so sure:

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Then you’re making the narrative about apologies and how we haven’t lived up to expectations whereas there was so many things we felt we were doing.

What now? 

With seven seats and, as it sees it, no mandate to govern, Labour will go into opposition and seek to rebuild.

Ó Ríordáin believes the question over Joan Burton’s leadership doesn’t arise right now as there are so many imponderables about the formation of the next government.

But he seems pretty downbeat about the party’s prospects if a second election was to be called soon. What message can Labour go to the doors with this time around that would entice people to vote for it, he wonders.

It begs the question as to whether the party can survive at all after the worst election in its 104-year history. Ó Ríordáin seemed slightly hesitant when we asked:

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Social affairs

A referendum on the Eighth Amendment, which Labour has championed in recent years, will not now happen, Ó Ríordáin believes. He will continue to campaign for it, but sees no prospect of Fine Gael, in a minority government, pursuing the thorny issue of abortion.

“A minority Fine Gael government is not going to open up that can of worms,” he said.

Do you think a minority government, led by Fine Gael, supported or facilitated by Fianna Fáil, is actually going to grasp the thorny nettle of an Eighth Amendment referendum? Not in a million years.

Ó Ríordáin is also worried that the campaign for a living wage of €11.30 is now dead in the water and that the pledge to reduce class sizes to a ratio of 20:1 will fall by the wayside.

His own future may lie in the Seanad if he’s elected next month, but when it comes to the bigger picture, Ó Ríordáin believes that politics is in flux and that centre left politics, a space that Labour likes to occupy, “is in crisis”.

“Centrist politics is certainly in trouble and centre left politics is in crisis. Certainly in Ireland,” he said.

I think I care too much to walk away but… I may be pointed to walk away, or I may have an opportunity to stick around. But look, I think the issues that I care about are too important to walk away from.

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    Mute Jack Russell
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 3:51 PM

    Most badly managed lottery – not won since June 6th, rollover capped so low, when it’s won jackpot starts at €2 million…it’s finished

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    Mute Ger Murphy
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 5:43 PM

    @Jack Russell: How is it badly managed? Its a game of chance. Numbers haven’t clicked, simple as. In spite of the lack of jackpot winner there has been increased lower prizes. That in my mind ensures more people get more money.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 9:47 PM

    @Ger Murphy: increased lower prizes ?? Have a day off, the increase is pathetic in comparison to the what the jackpot is supposed to be increased by every draw if it’s not won. This is plucking criminal, where is this money going ??

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    Mute Ger Murphy
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    Dec 3rd 2021, 9:50 AM

    @Malachi Shanks: check your facts before you spout. Then we can have a rational discussion.

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    Mute Leonard O'mahony
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:24 PM

    Jackpot not won. Plus 1 not won. Plus 2 not won. 5+ bonus ball not won in all three draws. There must be a lot of Canadian teachers due to retire shortly.

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    Mute Larry Rawson
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 3:39 PM

    ODDS are stacked High against YOU winning the Jackpot Folks ,Time to try 2/3 numbers in bookies 60/1 + 100/1.

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    Mute cillian
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:44 PM

    @Larry Rawson: your odds are completely wrong 40/1 and 330/1

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 7:46 PM

    @cillian: You’re both wrong. 60/1 for 2 numbers and 700/1 for 3. 45/1 and 400/1 if you include the bonus.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 3:48 PM

    The highest prize won out of all the draws was €29,000 hah

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 3:51 PM

    @Gary: yeh and that’s hard to get, odds are still low.

    50 no wins is very very unlikely, given the odds. I’m sure there’s nothing untoward though

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 3:57 PM

    @Gary: that was just the highest prize won in the last draw. There’s been winners between 500k t 850k regularly enough the last two months. Lotto still making a mint though

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:34 PM

    @slfc21: There is meant to be €2 million rollover ever week. It’s capped at €19 million. They said if the jackpot wasn’t won they would give higher winnings to the next top winner. They didn’t! The only one getting rich is the Canadian investment group.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:34 PM

    @john smith iv: There were some interesting figures out during the week that said the odds of the Irish lotto rolling over 50 times are about 1,500:1. It’s unusual but by no means extraordinary.

    Chances of an individual draw rolling over are about 85%.

    Meanwhile the odds of a single line matching all 6 numbers are 10.7million to one. Statistically speaking, playing the lotto is an absurd thing to do. Don’t waste your money to begin with – if you’re not in, you can’t lose…

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:55 PM

    @Gary: my comment was just replying to your comment where you said that 29k was the most won out of all the draws. It wasn’t . You didn’t say any of that the first time.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 7:31 PM

    @Kevin Collins: 2 euro at 10.7 million to one doesn’t seem terrible to try to win 19m when you factor in there are also smaller prizes

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    Mute Eoin Sweeney
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 7:57 PM

    @Mickety Dee: 4 euro minimum

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    Dec 5th 2021, 9:42 AM

    @Eoin Sweeney: Still, that’s for two lines.

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    Mute Gerard Heanue
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:13 PM

    Boycott

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:16 PM

    Boycott it.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:18 PM

    FG Td crying over spilt milk when his party sold it in the first place!

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    Mute Mike
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 4:21 PM

    @Niall Power: Was howler-labour who actually was behind it but of course cheered on by FG

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 5:22 PM

    We’re funding the Canadian teachers pension fund. Oh and good causes

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 5:25 PM

    Shambles, the ad constantly saying it’s a jackpot but never mention nobodies won it in ages. Needs investigating.

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    Mute Cian Omahony Snr
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 7:26 PM

    Why has it been capped?? Is there a reason why, legally??,are they allowed to cap it??..Anyone got an answer..Would like to know.

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    Dec 3rd 2021, 8:13 AM

    @Cian Omahony Snr: Yes, because if it goes above 19m in theory someone or some group could buy all the combinations for less than the jackpot amount and make a profit.

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    Mute Teresa O'Halloran
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 7:43 PM

    Withdraw their licence.

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    Mute Peter Roche
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    Dec 2nd 2021, 5:15 PM

    Is anyone playing it even

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 5:55 PM

    Why bother capping it at 19, Euro millions is capped at 180 so an Irish person could win that

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 6:27 PM

    @Peter Tutty: The Euromillions is currently capped at 230m and when the cap is reached and in turn won, the cap increases 10m each time that arises, Unlike the lotto

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 5:54 PM

    51st rollover so a TD asks for for TWO numbers to be withdrawn.That should fix the issue. The majority doing the Lotto since day on have most likely stuck to birthdays so adding on over the years has only helped the Lotto!

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 6:49 PM

    The Lotto concept encourages the idea that winning big money grants a status higher that of his or her fellow humans, a flasher faster car, a bigger house, more exotic holidays etc. it promotes the idea that wealth equates with happiness.

    On the hundredth anniversary of our independence, we can do better as a people than fumble with bad taste scratch cards and coloured balls to get our kicks. The concept the Lotto espouses is damaging to our dignity as individuals and the self-respect of our society. The pandemic has demonstrated what is important in a society and what is not, it is time to end the Lotto.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 7:55 PM

    @Fergus Quinlan: I’d love to win tho lotto jackpot or more so, the euromillions. I would be extremely happy. I’d even stretch to buying you a pint to cheer your miserable self up!

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 8:04 PM

    It’s a tax on the mathematically challenged.

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 9:34 PM

    Should avoid buying tickets, until the odds of winning are fairer

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    Dec 2nd 2021, 8:02 PM

    Just spend your money doing the lottery with your local club.

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    Dec 3rd 2021, 2:28 AM

    Greater chance of a bird slipping on a banana skin, breaking its leg and getting covid

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