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Sam Boal

Why are seagulls so loud right now - and can anything be done about it?

You might have noticed some squawking from very early in the morning. Here’s why it’s happening.

IF YOU’VE BEEN woken up by the early-morning squawking of seagulls over the past few months, you might be wondering – hang on, are there more of them around the place? And is there anything that can be done about that noise?

After a few too many early wake-ups, we at The Journal were wondering the same. So we spoke to Niall Hatch of Birdwatch Ireland, who filled us in on what is going on. And with all things to do with nature these days, the answer should give us humans pause for thought about our own actions. 

For starters, when we say ‘seagull’, we’re usually referring to the herring gull – that’s the gull with a white and grey body, and yellow beak with a red mark on it. There are many different species of gulls, but these tend to be the ones most people are referring to. 

“People are surprised to see gulls well inland, but the species has done it for centuries,” said Hatch. 

Due to calls for the cull of seagulls (more on that later) which have cropped up over the years, and the fact you won’t have to go far on a Dublin city street before you spot a herring gull attacking a bin bag (more on that later too), you might presume that there are more herring gulls than ever before.

But you’d be wrong.

“Contrary to what people believe, the population has declined dramatically – by over 90% in the course of 30 years,” said Hatch. The herring gull was on a red list of the majorly threatened species in Ireland. It has since been moved to the amber list, after a look at the population showed a slight increase. So that’s good news for the birds themselves. 

That slight increase is not why we’ve become more aware of their presence, however. It’s because the herring gulls have had to move more inland due to a number of factors. All of these factors have human behaviour at the root of them.

Nests in danger

Hatch explained that traditionally, the gulls would nest on islands – such as those in Dublin Bay – but these have become “overrun” with non-native predators like rats and mink, who are a threat to nesting gulls. 

This being unsafe, the gulls can then tend to go nest at the next-best option: high up on buildings in urban areas. Seagulls are very social and communicative birds, said Hatch, and that’s where the next piece of the puzzle comes in: why are they so loud right now?

Well, it’s because this is the tail end of gull breeding season. “At the moment especially, young gulls will be calling for their parents for food – that will stop in the next few weeks,” said Hatch. Surprisingly, Dublin “has far more gulls in winter than summer but they tend not be in roof spots or urban areas”.

Once the young gulls are able to fend for themselves, which should be in a few weeks, that loud communication between parent and child will reduce. 

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Another aspect to all this is the Covid-19 pandemic. Due to the need to work from home, human presence in urban areas has dramatically reduced. Hatch suspects Covid has influenced herring gulls’ behaviour to some degree.

“They scavenge, they go around cleaning up rubbish on the streets that otherwise will attract rats and foxes,” said Hatch. Herring gulls can become accustomed to going to the same areas where they know they can find food, which is why it’s important not to feed them. 

“It’s not good to associate humans with food.

With Covid, all of a sudden fewer people are around, so all of a sudden they had a food source disappear.

One food source for herring gulls is bin bags. Hatch maintains that allowing bin bags on the street – where they can be accessed by any animal – “is not a modern waste management system”.

“Gulls have learned that they can open bags and find food – rats and foxes are doing it at night, only we don’t see them.”

Due to the Covid changes, Hatch suspects that some seagulls “wandered a bit more widely to find food”, as they are “resourceful” birds. “It may be why they are turning up in areas where they are not so frequently seen,” he said.

Ecosystem under threat

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There’s a wider picture to this. Hatch said that Birdwatch Ireland has “seen gulls being more desperate for food”, due to a breakdown in the ecosystem. “Problems with severe overfishing in Irish waters means the whole food chain is breaking down. Issues like climate change are affecting them as well. A lot of things are hitting them at once,” said Hatch about changes in their behaviour. 

Herring gulls are also very protective of their offspring, so if they feel threatened by a human they will make “a lot of noise to scare off potential predators”, said Hatch.

Like most birds, gulls are governed by daylight, which is why they are often heard very early in the morning. As soon as the sun rises, they’re active. That said, they’re not getting eight hours of sleep like humans. They might spend an hour or two dozing, said Hatch.

The long summer days give them more time to find food for their young, which is why they breed in the summer. 

Cull of the wild

What does Hatch think about those proposing seagulls be culled? “From a conservation point of view, that would be a disaster,” he said. Instead, we should be looking at the gulls’ behaviour, and when we see anything unusual, ask what may have caused it.

“Gulls themselves are not a problem, they are a symptom of a problem,” said Hatch. “We would be fools as humans not to see that and take steps to restore the ecosystem. Birds and creatures are suffering.”

Gulls are protected wildlife – harming them is a criminal offence. However, it is possible for the Minister over the National Parks and Wildlife Service to give licences to capture and humanely kill a protected wildlife bird for “such educational, scientific or other purposes as shall be so specified”.

The issues affecting the gulls “seems to be many things at once”, said Hatch. They include plastic pollution in the oceans, which is eaten by birds and can kill them; overfishing, which depletes a food source for the gulls among other issues; and the breakdown of the marine environment. 

“All of these things have a knock-on effect,” said Hatch. “When we see bird population going up or down or behaving differently, it’s a sign of something is affecting the food supply or where they live and it’s inevitably something to do with what humans have done.”

Added to these ecological issues is that of human disturbance, like people going to places like Ireland’s Eye and Dalkey Island – both homes to significant colonies of gulls – and disturbing them during breeding season.

Though disturbing them is technically illegal, Hatch said that these laws are “not effectively enforced”. Gulls can be aggressive to defend their chicks – and can even draw blood. “We need to have a more healthy respect for them,” said Hatch. “Don’t become over familiar with them. Don’t feed gulls so that gull don’t associate certain places with food.”

While some birds are shy and retiring, Hatch said that herring gulls “can be quite formidable”. But one thing they might not like is human eye contact, according to studies done in Cornwall. So that’s one thing to try the next time you see one sizing up your sandwich. 

Deterrents

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When it comes to deterring the birds, Hatch has heard of people using kites that look like birds, or putting out fake plastic owls, or even putting in place spikes. But he believes this just “transfers the problem to somewhere else”.

Instead, he said we need to address the reasons why the gulls tend to be present in certain areas, and make sure bin bags aren’t accessible or that food isn’t thrown around. 

Over in Ocean City in New Jersey in the US, birds of prey are used to keep gulls in check. Here in Ireland, Hatch said that birds of prey like peregrine falcons and buzzards were once more prevalent, but their populations have declined (in large part due to human attitudes toward them).

As a result, there’s not as many of them around to force gulls to keep a low profile. The birds of prey are such an important part of maintaining a balanced ecosystem that as their population numbers lowered, crows stepped in – that’s why we have a higher density of them than other countries do. 

Trying to restore the natural system is what we should be doing, said Hatch: “Anything less is just dealing with a symptom of the problem.”

Local government 

Green Party councillor Michael Pidgeon has been approached by a number of constituents with complaints about herring gull behaviour in recent weeks. 

“The problem is some people go naturally to the idea of looking for a cull, and I think that would be a bad approach,” he said. 

“I think what’s really needed is the issue of food availability and reducing that and basically trying to support seagulls, which are endangered species, into more appropriate habitats.”

He believes the idea of a cull “is going to keep coming up – and is stupid”, though he understands people’s concerns. He believes that local government has a role in helping to solve the issues leading to gulls moving into urban areas. 

My worry is if we just ignore the issues of managing the population, people are going to keep pushing for a cull and we will do it and it won’t work. We have a cull policy with badgers, and that seems devoid of evidence.

He reiterated Hatch’s comments about the issue of bin bags being put out and then attracting herring gulls. But he pointed out this is “a function of some of the homes we have, like small terraced housing where a wheelie bin isn’t a viable option”.

“I think we need to look at the ways in which waste for collection is stored. That is very difficult because of the system in Dublin with multiple collectors.”

He pointed to other countries such as Spain for inspiration, where household waste is collected via a local depot or on-street collection points – similar to how our bottle bank system works.

He said this is worth exploring and could help the issue. 

As a city councillor he is curious about what measures can be undertaken, “that are humane and decent”, and agreed with Hatch about the wider biodiversity issues. 

So for now, rest assured that in a few weeks the herring gulls around you will become less “communicative”. But the reasons why seagulls are in urban areas at all speaks to a larger issue not just of bird behaviour, but human behaviour – from the small (bin bags) to the large (overfishing).

The ‘seagull conversation’ is likely to continue, but rather than ending with a cull of the bird, perhaps it should start with us humans taking a long look at what impact our own behaviour is having. 

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:07 PM

    What about if they worked a bit harder, less holidays, longer hours? Just like the rest of us

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:13 PM

    @Paddy: Our constitution says we need one for every 20/30000 citizens

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:25 PM

    @Tom: we should have a referendum to change the number of TD’s in The Dail. There are far too many already and with the increase there’ll be another 14 freeloaders ie. teachers, publicans & landlords!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:28 PM

    @Tom: Change the constitution far too many TDS already

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:39 PM

    @DJ D: How many of those categories are TDs?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:43 PM

    @Tom: We need to change the constitution to allow a lower ratio of TD’s per person as we have too many as it is. One TD per 50k people is more than sufficient

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:24 PM

    @Tom: can u tell us what size of classrooms should teachers teach???

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:35 PM

    @Paddy: that’s asking a lot now,you obviously didn’t see the effect that had when Eamon Ryan do a few extra hours

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:44 PM

    @Tom: so change it to 50,000

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:03 PM

    Maybe that’s a decision for their employers, IE,the taxpayers

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:07 PM

    @Brian molloy: The same when it comes to wage increases

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    @Brian molloy: Changing the ratio would be a change in the constitution which needs a referendum.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:57 PM

    @Keith Tobin:
    TDs haven’t been able to set their own salary for more than a decade, it’s linked to public sector pay.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:11 PM

    “Something has to give” of course something will give, our young people will have to emigrate in there thousands again soon enough……crisis averted

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:19 PM

    @Tom: exactly

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:50 PM

    @Tom: they don’t care. Any amount of people will come from less well off countries will come for a wage. TDs could care less if everyone under 25 left. It’s not about building society its about milking what’s there dry.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:59 PM

    @Tom:
    CSO figure say that more Irish people are returning than are leaving

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:11 PM

    Increase Garda numbers , nurses, Doctors ,,,,TD should stand for Total Disgrace.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:23 PM

    Let’s be honest TDs don’t run this country Civil Servants do. This country needs more doctors, nurses, teachers, prisons, Gardai, carers, and son on. The last thing this country needs right now is more TDs.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:20 PM

    More money down the drain and more waffle sickening

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:35 PM

    Maybe stop our population from increasing with illegal immigrants and look after our own – just a thought that would never occur to our supposed representatives.

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    @Thomas Sheridan:
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    Aug 30th 2023, 10:45 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: Not many of the recently arrived immigrants, I suspect. Certainly far less than the number of them looking for state accommodation.

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    @P.J. Nolan: Not too many Ukrainians building house for us, even though they have work visas. Only ones working are working at night. Great addition to the country.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:18 PM

    Who decides on these constraints figures 1td/30000 .Sure only half of the people vote most of the time anyway so its nearer 1td/15000.No other country would put up that kind of largesse.

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    @Willie Marty: The ratio is set out in the constitution.

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    @Gareth: needs changing to bring it into line with our European partners

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    The same with the number or Gardai, Nurses, Teachers, Doctors, Army personnel, hospital beds etc etc etc!!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:28 PM

    Taking what the commission said into account, the amount if tds will increase. But here lies the problem, county borders. What we have now is a Dublin, Cork, Galway and now limerick tearing away from the rest of the country with jobs, investment, housing, road, and just about everything else. Rural problems are not being tackled, hence mass amount of young people moving to the big 4 cities. Where the government said they were going to tackled this ,the opposite has happened. Maggie Thatcher politics or should I say Tory politics being employed by FF and FG won’t mention greens as they are clueless. Its stands out.

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    @james hennessy: rural Ireland is over populated, no point in throwing good money after bad.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:40 PM

    @james hennessy: Could you please explain a bit more the “Rural problems are not being tackled” part?
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    @james hennessy: ‘Big Cities’ ? – there is still a boreen between Cork/Limerick/Waterford – The further from the pale is the further from investment.

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    There’s more pressing things needed than TDs. More housing is needed. More doctors and nurses. Even more hospitals are needed. Sligo university hosp has to cover a massive area that is far too vast for one hospital. Government need to cop themselves on. Enough is enough now.

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    @Helen O REGAN: This is the Constitution, not the Government.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:14 PM

    @Sean O’Dhubhghaill: time to change it so more important things than fat cats yaping in the dail and little or nothing being done they’ve had over TEN years with an overwhelming massive housing crisis, not good enough they’re supposed to be making decisions thinking and planning long term solutions it’s getting worse and has been for too long kicking the can down the road with lame excuses and passing blame they were put into power to run the country not line they’re pockets with massive salaries and expenses which they are there no denying that

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:16 PM

    @Sean O’Dhubhghaill: it would appear the constitution is in need of drastic change as tds are surplus to requirements, not fit for purpose and a complete drain on society. However I’m interested in hearing one benefit a td is to the public, the tax paid & paying public that is.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:58 PM

    Good excuse to raise tax to pay their wages

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:15 PM

    No more School Teacher’s, Doctors, Tree Huggers or Anyone taking the verbally P Should be Allowed to Stand. WE See How this Doesn’t Work for The People!!!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:41 PM

    @Mick Hanna: Don’t vote for them, but banning people from standing in election is the compleye antithesis of democracy.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:00 PM

    Like it or not, this is democracy. The alternative isn’t worth thinking about. Although there are some gombeens on here who seem to think democracy is a joke and something to throw away. Probably don’t even vote because they’ll put the X in the wrong place.

    Personally, I think change the Constitution. In fact, every hundred years they should change it to reflect society.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:13 PM

    1 TD for every 20/30,000 citizens is too low. Why not increase it to 40k given the ongoing increase in population.

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    Aug 31st 2023, 12:43 AM

    Increased population because of all our friend who are shipped in

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:46 PM

    Just replace TD’s whith chatGPT. Or if we need an increase in TD’s reduce their wages and expenses inline.

    Up here for thinking

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:13 PM

    So obviously they are not up to the job. Sorry but we knew that already.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 11:40 PM

    One wonders how the likes of Jim O Callaghan TD and Barrister manages to be in the dail, and also be a successful barrister down the four courts?

    TDs can’t be doing much if that’s the case.

    I’ve e mailed his secretary a few times to ask, but never got an answer.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:09 PM

    the number of tax lines on our payslips needs review as we can’t keep pace with the crazy accelerated cost of living.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:33 PM

    If they done a bit of work they would have a better chance of keeping pace sack all of them

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:55 PM

    Is it right to say the UK has 104k / MP(650 mps)?
    If ireland had those numbers, then ireland would need 2256 TDs per the constitution. So what should we change?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:45 PM

    @Padhraig Farrell: Really? 100k per TD = 10 TD’s per million population.
    That would mean -51- TD’s by the current 5,056,935, correct?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:16 PM

    They need to get their fingers out of their preverbal and do some work! No more swine in the trough ! We don’t get enough return on investment!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:30 PM

    Why dont some of the clever clogs on here with a the answers tun for election, plenty seats to contest, even new constituencies. But of course that would actually mean doing something Instead of being angry behind a keyboard and criticize everything and everybody, which is easy

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