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File photo (they're not the same lions) Ludek Perina/Czech News Agency/Press Association Images

A Danish Zoo has killed four healthy lions

Yes, it’s the same zoo that put down the giraffe…

Updated at 11.48pm

A COPENHAGEN ZOO that prompted international outrage by putting down a healthy giraffe and dissecting it in public has killed two lions and their two cubs to make way for a new male.

“Because of the pride of lions’ natural structure and behaviour, the zoo has had to euthanise the two old lions and two young lions who were not old enough to fend for themselves,” Copenhagen Zoo said in a statement.

The 10-month-old lions ”would have been killed by the new male lion as soon as he got the chance,” it said.

The four lions were put down yesterday after the zoo had failed to find a new home for them, a spokesman told AFP, confirming the four were all from the same family.

There would be no public dissection of the animals since “not all our animals are dissected in front of an audience,” he added.

Within a few days the new male will be introduced to the zoo’s two female lions who, born in 2012, have reached breeding age.

“The zoo is recognised worldwide for our work with lions, and I am proud that one of the zoo’s own brood now forms the centre of a new pride of lions,” chief executive Steffen Straede said.

Last month, zoo boss Bengt Holst received death threats for the decision to kill its 18-month-old giraffe Marius, which was put down with a bolt gun before children were able to watch it being chopped up, dissected and fed to lions.

The move shocked thousands of animal lovers around the world who had signed an online petition to save him.

The zoo said on its website it had no choice but to prevent the animal attaining adulthood since under European Association of Zoos and Aquaria rules, inbreeding between giraffes is to be avoided.

Many Danes were surprised and even angered by international reactions to the event, with a leading expert on the ethics of the treatment of animals decrying the “Disneyfication” of zoo creatures.

First posted at 8.30pm

© AFP, 2014

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    Mute iohanx
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:06 AM

    All public sector jobs, salaries and allowances should be made public on a ‘live’ website for everyone to see. Full transparency right across the sector. Then taxpayers can perform real comparisons instead of these flaky reports every once in a while. Anything paid for by the taxpayer should be transparent in realtime. It can be done.

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    Mute iohanx
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:08 AM

    no more aggregation! the tech exists.

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    Mute Nick Allen
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    Jun 10th 2017, 8:08 AM

    @iohanx:

    Why? Surely people are entitled to some privacy.

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    Mute iohanx
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    Jun 10th 2017, 9:35 AM

    @Nick Allen: people are, job titles/descriptions – no

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    Mute john doe
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:15 AM

    @iohanx

    Here you go:
    http://www.impact.ie/your-sector/public-sector/civil-service/civil-service-salary-scales/

    Don’t know if the health salaries are on there but some public service sectors are. I’m sure if you do some searching you will find the info you are after.

    It’s best to do a little google search to check before posting things from your head.

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    Mute Catherine Gaffney
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:38 AM

    @iohanx: Look up the INMO website for nurses salaries and allowances . Transparent.

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    Mute john Appleseed
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    Jun 10th 2017, 6:31 AM

    Paid for what exactly? HSE is a mess. It’s time to bite the bullet. Disband and start from stretch.

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    Mute Steve Austin
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:13 AM

    @john Appleseed: Jobs for the boys…

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    Mute Stephen Coveney
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    Jun 10th 2017, 6:24 AM

    Ok, so what did they do? Were they worth the money? Are they a consultant on which lives depend and if we dont pay them this amount of money will they leave??

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    Mute Murf
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    Jun 10th 2017, 9:15 AM

    @Stephen Coveney: no they won’t leave. They won’t earn that kind of money anywhere in the world, Disgraceful to pay that amount of money to any individual & people on waiting lists for years, simply they are not worth it

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    Mute Paul
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:01 AM

    @Murf: yes they will…

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    Mute Joe Harbison
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:57 AM

    @Murf: About 350 vacant Consultant posts nationally. In some hospitals the problem is so bad that the hospitals’ futures are in serious medium or long term doubt. The can’t get Consultants on standard rates and instead pay multiples for locus who don’t have to take any associated responsibilities

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    Mute Bennythekid
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:12 AM

    why is HSE director Tony O Brien getting the same salary as the Taoiseach-sure all he does is come on the telly now and again to do a bit of spoofing-mind you that’s much the same job description as the Taoiseach.

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    Mute Colin Brady
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:51 AM

    This is a joke huge salaries for a third world health service while the rest of use work just as hard of not harder for pennies.
    What can we do to stop this? ??

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    Mute Stephen Chaney
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    Jun 10th 2017, 3:32 PM

    @Colin Brady: I wouldn’t quite call it a 3rd world health service.
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30818-8/fulltext
    That’s a recent lancet report showing Ireland is 13th for health access and quality index. We’re ahead of countries like USA, and the UK.
    Despite the long emergency dept and outpatient wait times, we have a health service that will basically pay for anything with evidence of helping you, and most people agree that it works well once you do manage to get seen.
    Consultants are extremely well paid, but then they are very intelligent people who have worked extremely hard to do what they do, and whether we like to believe it or not, there are better opportunities for them in other English speaking countries, so many posts here will go unfilled.

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    Mute Lydia McLoughlin
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:15 AM

    What’s a rest day payment?? I get a salary and earn holiday pay! Surely these are part and parcel of an overall salary…..

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    Mute Stephen Coveney
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:30 AM

    @Lydia McLoughlin: just saw that too?? And they get paid for them if they dont take them..

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    Mute Living The Laws
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    Jun 10th 2017, 11:23 AM

    @Stephen Coveney: its in every part of the civil service. retire at sixty, nice little lump sum, massive % of salary as pension, get a part time job. kick back and relax while the private sector and, more so, the self employed, stress themselves to death about what will happen to them in later life.

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    Mute Lydia McLoughlin
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    Jun 12th 2017, 2:59 PM

    @Stephen Coveney: no wonder my blood pressure is constantly up! Level the playing field and let there be no public and private sectors just one big employed sector and stop these stupid payments to this drain on society!!! My rest day is Saturday & Sunday and lucky to get much rest on these days let alone get paid!!!!

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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:56 AM

    It’s a great country for some people

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    Mute billy Dorney
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:19 AM

    Scandalous

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    Mute PVD
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    Jun 10th 2017, 8:00 AM

    Are the HSE in compliance with FEMPI ? Or are these Topup’s outside standard pay terms and conditions for Public services. the disclosures in St John of God HSE Audit that the Journal haven’t covered ??? Governance of All organisations and Companies . We need to question why ?

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    Mute PVD
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    Jun 10th 2017, 8:10 AM

    @PVD: €60 million on legal and professional fees .

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    Mute Dermot Doherty
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    Jun 11th 2017, 10:00 AM

    @PVD: most of extra cash is for doing extra services outside of their normal working week. For example clearing an endoscopy waiting list by working on a Saturday. Also if you have to cover the work of an empty post then you should be paid. There arr hundreds of unfilled posts but the patients still have to be seen. Many doctors are working 1.5 times what they are contracted to do

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    Mute Finn Mc Cool
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    Jun 10th 2017, 9:14 AM

    “Our Health Service is underfunded”
    Now we see why.

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    Mute Sinead Mooney
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    Jun 10th 2017, 9:29 AM

    The HSE continue to pay exorbitant locum rates for extra consultants because they refuse to restore pay parity after cutting salary by 30% during austerity.
    Now nobody will (rightly) take consultant positions where they will have to do the same work as their colleagues for 30% less pay.
    So the HSE spend even MORE paying the same doctors locum rates to fill the posts temporarily instead of backing down and paying everyone equally. (Bit like the way they refuse to pay a small increase in rent allowance to prevent homelessness but will then fork out for hotel rooms to accomodate the same families…)
    No wonder there are hundreds of unfilled consultant posts and long waiting lists. I won’t be taking one until equal pay is restored.

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    Mute Living The Laws
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    Jun 10th 2017, 11:20 AM

    @Sinead Mooney: inefficient to say the least

    but lets be clear; most of them are overpaid for the job they do. they need to be taken down a peg or two and helped realise that they are a part of society and that serve society. they are a clique, a cartel. along with the pharmacists who insist on dispensing branded drugs. none of them working in the public interest.

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    Mute Sean @114
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    Jun 10th 2017, 12:06 PM

    @Living The Laws: lets get the facts on the table, complete transparency on expenditure so that informed decisions can be made. No point in speculating as to who got what and at what rates, those figures are scandalous no matter how God like the top consultants think they are. Get the figures out for all, allowances, o/t, pension lump sum payments – we know that these are crocks of gold but let’s see the numbers.

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    Mute Living The Laws
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    Jun 10th 2017, 12:46 PM

    @Sean @114:

    sure, lets sit down and look at it. form a committee. populate it with our buddies so we can pay them some of the gold also. in two years, lets have an inquiry. and on and on

    no sean, witch hunts don’t work when the entire thing is a coven of incompetence. heads should roll now.

    and simon harris will be first. good timing for Leo, don’t you think?

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    Mute brian magee
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    Jun 10th 2017, 8:26 AM

    Remember it was Michael Martin that created the HSE and this mess.

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    Mute Sean @114
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    Jun 10th 2017, 8:59 AM

    The poor underpaid and overworked hospital consultants. God help them. Would their union not push for a pay rise for them before they head off to Australia? Let’s get some transparency on the allowances, overtime and pension lump sum payments. Categories of staff and average pay outs would be a start. Let’s also see the absenteeism rate. The unions spin enough yarns about their poor underpaid members. Let’s get the facts on the table.

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    Mute FacelessJuniorDoctor
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:08 AM

    The new consultant contract is €110,000 pa so I doubt that those very high earners were standard consultants or maybe not even medical consultants at all. Do we know if they were HSE in house?

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    Mute Gisbert Bayertz
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:12 AM

    You wouldn’t mind if the HSE was a properly functioning organisation

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    Mute marty johnbann
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    Jun 10th 2017, 7:14 AM

    They must off been sick or something to be given all that money

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    Mute Cindy Crawford
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    Jun 10th 2017, 10:22 AM

    Who in the HSE is paid more than the director general?

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    Mute Living The Laws
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    Jun 10th 2017, 11:17 AM

    a health service that makes you feel sick. now thats as irish as it gets.

    110,000 staff. theres something wrong. very wrong. farmer gael really have managed the recovery into a disaster and given two fingers to the back breaking and soul destroying efforts of the citizens of ireland.

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    Mute Robot
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    Jun 10th 2017, 12:23 PM

    @Living The Laws: what in gods name does that mean?

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    Mute Living The Laws
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    Jun 10th 2017, 12:58 PM

    @Robot:

    i guess it is a little confusing without context.

    everywhere you look are signs that farmer gael have managed to miss the opportunity to build on the sacrifice of the citizens. when you look at how poor the services are in the hse, and how expensive they are, you have to conclude there is something very wrong. look at medicines and pharmacies purposely providing branded instead of generics. or the mark up that primary care services charge on top of the government government contribution.

    add to that, so many payments that are beyond anything that should be paid to these guys in the HSE, and you have to think someone is on the gravy train at the expense of the citizens.

    and it is all farmer gael’s fault. plain and simple. they are accountable.

    any better?

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    Mute Maire
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    Jun 10th 2017, 12:38 PM

    A disgrace! I’m a Public Servant, I can’t believe it! Shocking!

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    Mute Mark Trudgeon
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    Jun 10th 2017, 12:26 PM

    So around 3k spent for every person in the country (give or take)

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    Mute Dermot Doherty
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    Jun 11th 2017, 9:55 AM

    @Lydia McLoughlin: a rest day payment is to pay doctors who were working on call without enough colleagues to relieve them. E.g. If you worked 73 hrs over a weekend, you should have had the Monday off, but because there was no one to see patients on Monday the same doctor had to do it. This went on for decades and these older consultants never got their time back in lieu. So the HSE had to either allow them to take early retirement or lay them for these hours retrospectively. In fairness no one should work for free and these doctors propped up services for decades before they got new colleagues to ease the burden

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    Mute Scundered
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    Jun 10th 2017, 3:29 PM

    Just disgusting.

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