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As it happened: Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin on promissory note deal

The two Ministers will be holding a press conference from 4pm about the promissory note agreement. Let’s see what they have to say.

SO IT’S OFFICIAL: Taoiseach Enda Kenny has told the Dáil that the annual €3.1 billion promissory note payments are no more

Under an agreement reached with the European Central Bank after some frantic legislation-passing in the Oireachtas overnight, Government bonds will replace the promissory note, which the Government had repeatedly said it would not pay back when it fell due at the end of March.

Finance Minister Michael Noonan and Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin will be holding a press conference on the arrangement in the Government Press Centre from 4pm. Let’s see what they have to say about the whole thing.

So as with pretty much everything else that’s happened over the past 24 hours, the press conference is not going to start on time. I spoke to the Department of Finance and they said Michael Noonan is giving a briefing and has been held up. Current ETA: around 4.15pm or 4.20pm.

In the meantime, my colleague Hugh O’Connell has written this useful explainer on exactly what has happened with the liquidation of IBRC and the promissory note agreement and here’s Enda Kenny’s speech to the Dáil this afternoon announcing that the promissory note payments are officially dead.

RTÉ is reporting that Central Bank head Patrick Honohan is happy with this afternoon’s events:

A few facts about the new arrangement:

  • The first payment on the new Government bonds which are replacing the promissory notes will take place in 2038. The final payment will be made in 2053.
  • The long term bonds will have maturities of up to 40 years with an average maturity of 34 years (compared to the 7 or 8 year average maturity on the promissory notes).
  • The Central Bank has taken ownership of the €3.4 billion bond used to settle the promissory note last March.
  • The average interest rate on the new bonds will start at just over 3 per cent – compared with an interest rate of more than 8 per cent on the promissory notes.
  • The promissory notes would have cost almost €48 billion in total, Enda Kenny has told the Dáil.

Here’s how Enda Kenny described it:

In effect, we have replaced a short-term, high interest rate overdraft that had to be paid down quickly through more expensive borrowings, with long-term, cheap, interest-only loans

While we wait (current start time estimate: 4.30), here’s what would have happened if #PromNight was in fact a real prom.

And here we go. Michael Noonan stands up to give his statement.

“We are very pleased with the deal,” says Noonan. He says he and Minister Howlin had always planned to make the two announcements (i.e. the liquidation of IBRC and the arrangement on the promissory note) together, but events were expedited by the news about IBRC being reported by Reuters yesterday.

Noonan says a debt write down was never the “primary objective” because the EU had already ruled out any idea of a write down. He says the situation in Greece was completely different and should never have been used as a comparison.

Noonan: A lot of vocabulary about Anglo Irish Bank has become a byword for abuse in Irish politics. Now though, he says: “We remove all that from the lexicon of politics”. On the promissory note payments he says:

There’ll be no payment this March, next March, any March.

Noonan: The effective interest rate on the bond is at a floating rate of 3 – 3.5 per cent but it will actually be closer to 1 per cent in practice because the difference will be rolled back into the Exchequer.

Brendan Howlin jokes that it may not be any easier to see him if he stands up. As a fellow short person, I feel his pain.

Howlin says that from an economic point of view the promissory notes were a very bad idea: they had an enormous impact on cash flow and on Ireland’s reputation, and it also demoralised people. “What was demonstrably a rotten bank had such a menacing effect on us,” he says.

Down to the figures: Brendan Howlin says in real terms the arrangement means Ireland will borrow €20 billion less. He says the annual benefit from next year is expected to be 0.6 per cent of GDP.

Time for questions.

What does this mean for the average person? Michael Noonan: “For the man and woman on the street, it means that they and their families won’t have to carry the burden of another €20 billion of borrowing over the next ten years” and deal with the interest on that in taxes and cuts.

Did Ireland ever ask for a write down of debt? Michael Noonan says no. “It was pointless,” he says. He points out that Greece asked and was rebuffed.

Michael Noonan says he’ll respond to Pearse Doherty’s comments about kicking the can down the road by giving two anecdotes.

Anecdote number 1:

If I offered Pearse [to] give me a thousand pounds and [said] I’d pay it back to him in 40 years, what do you think he’d say?

Anecdote number 2:

Noonan describes how he bought his house in Limerick in 1068 at a cost of £3,200. He says when the mortgage ran out 25 years later, one month’s cheque as a teacher would have paid for the whole house. He says the important issue is what inflation does to the value of money and that keeping the nominal amounts the same in terms of what we have to pay back makes it more affordable.

He [Pearse] is making a political point and fair dues to him. It’s hard to be in opposition today because you had to reply to a good news story.

Noonan said the liquidation had been in train for a while but it became clear yesterday afternoon that two international news agencies had the story and were prepared to lead with it. Noonan says the government had to act.

“It was a holding position,” he says of the decision to act. “It might have held for a day, it might have held for two days”.

Michael Noonan ends the press conference by paying tribute to the civil servants who worked around the clock on the deal over the past few months. We have to stop scapegoating people who do this work, he says, describing them as “patriotic, dedicated people” who gave “unbelievable service to this country” and points out that they would not have been paid overtime for it.

Officials from the Department of Finance are talking through the technical elements of the arrangement now.

The speaker – apologies, I didn’t catch his name – goes through some of the benefits:

  • A reduction on the deficit of about €1 billion per annum
  • Extension of the maturity of the bonds means much less of a financial obligation in the shorter term
  • The promissory notes had a weighted average year of 7 to 8 years while the bonds will be 34 years on average
  • Efficiency because all the legacy assets are now being houses in a single vehicle in NAMA

He’s going through some of the other issues which are arising out of the liquidation of IBRC now. He says there are still a “small amount” of customer deposits left in IBRC, most of which are connected with loans. Nothing has changed with these as a result of the liquidation, he says. The special liquidator will work through all these.

More importantly, he says, the deposit guarantee scheme remains in place for depositers in the IBRC entity.

He says the Department has done a quick analysis and is not anticipating that there will be a requirement to make any payments on the guarantee of derivatives but can’t be sure for definite. However the Department is expecting claims under the ELG (Eligible Liabilities Guarantee – i.e. the government guarantee on deposits of more than €10k). He says the exact amount is impossible to know but that the Department thinks it could be between €.9 billion and €1.1 billion.

“We don’t see that as the creation of a new liability for the State though,” he says. This guarantee cost is already built into the existing IBRC structure.

The speaker says that the impact of the ELG costs – the bank guarantee – have been included in the figures for the first few years of the arrangement. He says the impact will in effect “offset the gain that we would otherwise have had for the transaction”.

Argh, mobile phone feedback on the livestream. Headwreck.

Still with us? This is getting pretty technical. We’ve gotten a hold of the presentation which these Department of Finance officials are using to talk about the deal and it’s very useful – it goes through an overview of the transaction, lists the key benefits and has diagrams to document exactly where the money is going. Here it is.

Most succinct explanation of the deal so far comes from RTE business reporter Conor Brophy. On Drivetime on RTE Radio One earlier he summed it all up Father Ted-style:

This debt is large and this debt is far away

Ok folks, we’re going to leave it there for now. If you’re hungry for more on all things promissory note related you can read our full coverage here which is tracking the reaction to today’s announcement. Otherwise thanks for reading and commenting – appreciate it.

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    Mute Simon McGrath
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    Feb 7th 2013, 3:59 PM

    I am sick to my teeth with these spineless full of crap politicians. Why as a people are we not rising up against this governments actions??. We are the whipping boys of Europe just like we were the whipping boys of the Brits for 800 years. This disgusts me to the bone.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:09 PM

    €1bn less austerity every year disgusts you?

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:12 PM

    You write well for an 800 year-old man and that is not taking into account that you were being whipped for the entire period.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:13 PM

    Higgins go away it’s you and ur lot I want to kick off this island!!!

    If you studied or even understood economics you would know this is a bad deal for everyone on this island now and in the future.

    Your party is full of lies has no back bone and has done nothing for the ordinary working class.

    Now please go away

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:15 PM

    All in a days work fella

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:15 PM

    Is it not €2bn less p.a.?

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:17 PM

    What disgust me David was the balmy any corruption that to played out in front of my eyes last night to make and illegal debt legal and the fact that everyone is saying we got this good deal but yet austerity will still be heaped on the people. This government have managed to double this debt and make it sovereign, well done. Illegal ,private banking debt

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:36 PM

    Saturday join in the protest in Dublin or Galway me show this government and future governments what we are made of come out and show your support come out and let them know we are not taking Their Lies and contempt anymore SATURDAY 9th Feb which is the day after tomorrow

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:59 PM

    Rising up. Meaning what? Get guns and shoot people? I have read some hysterical nonsensical childish sh!te on this site in recent days. But congratulations Simon. You win the prize. It’s a brain!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 5:05 PM

    Where in galway will the protest be?? I might call in with my logical friends and counter protest… drive the so called ‘protestors’ off the streets…

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    Feb 7th 2013, 5:16 PM

    Is there protest in cork also ?

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    Feb 7th 2013, 7:03 PM

    @Jilie ……..Yes there is a protest in Cork also

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    Feb 7th 2013, 7:11 PM

    Paul…surely you realise this is a bad deal…….for the journal naysayers who cannot see anything positive in anything and just get off on bad news.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:11 PM

    Maybe it’s just me but it seems the Government are patting themselves on the back that Anglo is no more … The debt is still there and it may increase with interest,, they turned a promissory note into a state debt maybe someone can explained to me What have they to gloat about??

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:18 PM

    That they are still on his wages,perks and pensions. While you and I and our children and your grandchildren are fcuked

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:21 PM

    Elaine. The debt has more than doubled, yet you find people coming on here to celebrate a billion less per year on austerity measures. Where’s yer man Varadkar today? There’s not a word out of him. “Not one more cent” I’m only realising now what he meant by that statement.6400 billion more cents Leo. Is that what you were trying to say back in 2011?

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:33 PM

    They’ve swept something nasty under our carpet and they’re getting away with it.
    Between now and the next election we’ll see all sorts of “funding” being rolled out with claims it’s all down to this “deal”.
    The memory of Anglo will dim and there’s plenty of time to put a nice spin on the whole saga.
    Some of them can even smell re-election, you can see the relief on their faces.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:54 PM

    It’s now €60 Billion.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:00 PM

    “oh what a difference a days makes……24 little hours” I’m sound for my kids and grandkids to pay for this generations mistake. short term gain but long term pain

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:39 PM

    having some empathy for the government they couldn’t have done anything else but what they did….but it galls me that bond holders didn’t lose a cent

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:04 PM

    I’m so mad I think I will write a strongly worded letter.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 7:09 PM

    Michael Noonan is to be congratulated on an excellent deal negotiated. It’s a good day for New Ireland. Liquidating Anglo was a good move. FF should have done it some years ago.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 11:27 PM

    It’s a marginally better day today for anyone over 40. It may be okay for New Ireland as you call it, but it is a very bad day for Future Ireland.

    We have certainly lumbered the future generation with our debts and in the New Ireland of self interest and self protection, it is a moderately good deal.

    If you can ignore the morality and fairness aspect, ignore foisting this on the next two generations, and be happy that the Promissory Notes were absolutely legally secure and would never have been partly written down, then we have bought the present at the expense of the future.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:40 PM

    Is there anything to said for saying a mass!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 6:43 PM

    Why do the disgruntled, uneducated and hate-filled comments always get the most likes? Some people’s reasoning is just scary. Welcome to Ireland – we like to give out about everything!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 11:18 PM

    Anything to say on the article or is this just an admonition for those of us who fail to see how wonderful everything is?

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    Feb 8th 2013, 12:02 AM

    An educated rebuttal? A rarity of worth. Good man Peter. I have one question – if today’s news is such a cataclysmic political blunder, why have so many political parties being pushing so adamantly for it?

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:16 PM

    They ll only ask the last person to leave Ireland to turn off the lights

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:27 PM

    The ESB no wait, is it the ECB, anyhow the lights will have been disconnected well before then!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 5:22 PM

    But we’ve left the immersion on.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:16 PM

    Well at least when we do come to pay it the economy will have grown and it in real terms will not be as big!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:43 PM

    Folks
    Buy bank shares now while they are on the floor
    Things can only get better!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 9:47 PM

    Lets all be realistic. There never was going to be a write down of the debt. I think under the circumstances this is the best deal they could get. Sure, there is still the interest to be paid every year, but nobody seems to be thinking of the money saved. That’s 2 billion that can be used otherwise. To hire nurses etc. To be put back into the economy. To help badly needed growth in the country.
    Nobody can look 40 years into the future. Who knows what will be?
    If you work on an inflation rate of 2% then the 30 billion will be worth about 53 billion in 30 years time, 66 in 40 years. This is effectively halving the debt by the standards of that time. Not a bad deal, given the fact that the country had time to grow and prosper.
    Maybe people need to stop only seeing the negative and start concentrating on the positives of a situation.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 6:30 PM

    Michael Noonan sounds like Hannibal Lecter

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:44 PM

    Wafflers

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    Feb 7th 2013, 7:11 PM

    Lookin fwd to readin my 5 and 2 yr olds their bedtime stories now about how their children and their grandchildren will be paying debts caused by greedy shower of f#%ker$ .people talk about being proud to be Irish ! Why ??? A corrupt country ran by thieves and crooks

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    Feb 7th 2013, 5:02 PM

    Does this mean I won’t have to cancel my Sky sports sub .? No wait …that’s the Household tax ..sheet!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:50 PM

    noonan = neamhinniúil

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    Feb 7th 2013, 5:06 PM

    Mr Noonan cares what you think I am sure..

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    Feb 7th 2013, 8:10 PM

    Maybe…just maybe it is a good deal! Why do so many people think Europe are out to get us, and we’re all half wits…this is economics and not lads agreeing a deal for a dog in a pub. Have faith and get on living your life, it’s not that bad I bet !

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:09 PM

    I could not play this. Is it working?

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:12 PM

    Hi Patrick, the press conference has been delayed. It’s due to kick off shortly and the live stream should start working then.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:18 PM

    It’s working now

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    Feb 7th 2013, 4:19 PM

    Thanks Christine.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 10:34 PM

    Too many naysayers in this country,this was the best deal this government could have got,it’s a much cheaper option than the promissory notes..a debt write was never on the cards,& it was FF that got us into this situation on the first place,so some credit where credit is due for getting this deal..

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    Feb 7th 2013, 9:18 PM

    Everyone is missing the main talking point of this article……Noonan describes how he bought his house in Limerick in 1068?!?!

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    Feb 8th 2013, 3:06 AM

    Whatever you want to say about him, he looks well for a man who has to be pushing 1000!

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    Feb 7th 2013, 8:35 PM

    The only way ireland will be a better place is for people to over throw the government. 1 problem with that is we are a civilised country who bitch and moan but do sheg all about it. If it honest to god bothered people that much then someone would have done something about it

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    Feb 8th 2013, 11:16 PM

    This deal is an utter disgrace. The private debt of the crooks at Anglo/ Nationwide etc has now officially become sovereign debt. To sweeten the pill for ourselves, we’ve passed it on to the next two generations. There is no cause for celebration here. Yet another sell out of the Irish people by our so-called representatives.

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    Feb 7th 2013, 11:13 PM

    Ahhh, the chuckle brothers! Don’t you love them.

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