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Everything you need to know about the promissory notes, but were afraid to ask

You have been and will be hearing a lot about promissory notes in the coming weeks but what’s it all about? We’ve taken your questions, come up with some of our own and asked the experts…

PROMISSORY NOTES ARE high on the news agenda at the moment with the government seeking a deal to avoid paying the €3.06 billion due on 31 March, while a court last week ruled against a businessman who challenged their legality.

The government is staking much of its credibility on securing a deal to avoid paying out €3.06 billion of the €30.06 billion promissory notes issued in respect of primarily Anglo Irish Bank three years ago. But significant doubts remain about the likelihood of securing an agreement with the European Central Bank.

As well as that last week the High Court said that businessman David Hall’s challenge to the ‘prom’ notes’ legality was not valid as he was not a TD. He may yet appeal to the Supreme Court and a number of TDs could take their own case.

But as it stands, on 31 March Ireland will give €3.06 billion to the Central Bank and this money will be destroyed.

How and why has it come to this?

Last week we asked for your questions and we had a few of our own that we wanted answered, so we asked the experts including the Department of Finance, the independent TD Stephen Donnelly, and the financial blogger Namawinelake. Here’s what we found out.

What is a promissory note?

A promissory note is an IOU. Some of you may be used to writing your friends or family IOUs for say a tenner or similar amounts, but governments and banks deal in much bigger amounts with slightly more complex arrangements.

However the fundamentals are similar. Usually promissory notes will carry conditions such as agreeing to pay back a specific sum at a fixed date in the future with interest and crucially, distinguishing them from actual IOUs, they contain a specific promise to pay the money.

Here’s an old promissory note made out to the Imperial Bank of India in 1926:

Pic: Wikimedia Commons

Why was a promissory note  issued for Anglo?

In 2010 the banks that were then Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide (now Irish Bank Resolution Corporation or IBRC) required around €30.06 billion in additional cash from the State because of their perilous state in the aftermath of the collapse of the property market.

Ireland had already exhausted all other avenues of funding: “We had already raided the pension fund and borrowings on the sovereign bond markets – which we were priced out of – in 2010,” Namawinelake explains so the option considered to be the best in the circumstances was to issue a promissory note.

How was this done?

Finance minister Brian Lenihan wrote a promissory note to the IBRC – basically saying “We owe you €31 billion” – which the bank used as collateral to borrow from the Cental Bank of Ireland’s emergency liquidity assistance (ELA) fund. Under the agreement, the State agreed to pay €3.06 billion every year to the IBRC until 2023 and smaller payments after that to satisfy the principal and the interest.

Instalments were scheduled for repayment annually from March 2011 to March 2031 with the interest on the principal varying from year-to-year, according to the Department of Finance. A comparatively smaller amount of around €250 million in promissory notes were issued in respect of Educational Building Society (EBS).

The repayment works like this: The government pays the money to IBRC, which gives it to the Central Bank of Ireland, which then destroys this money. This is done electronically in case you were thinking they were burning a huge wad of €100 notes on Dame Street.

Why is the money destroyed?

When Brian Lenihan drew up the promissory notes he effectively created the cash which the Central Bank gave to IBRC (Remember the State didn’t have the money to pay the Anglo/Irish Nationwide debt). IBRC uses this money to pay off bondholders (yep those guys) and plug the gaps created by the massive losses it has taken on property loans gone sour.

Former Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan at a summit of EU finance ministers on the dayIreland officially entered a bailout programme. Pic: AP Photo/Yves Logghe.

But creating cash or monetary financing is a no-no as far as the European Central Bank (ECB) is concerned. Its founding principles – the Maastricht Treaty – dictate that EU member states cannot finance their public deficits by printing money. The ELA – which is ironically the cheapest yet apparently the most troublesome part of Ireland’s debt – is seen as a temporary measure by the ECB and the financial markets.

It was created for Ireland at a time when we didn’t have the eurozone’s permanent bailout fund (the European Stability Mechanism). So in the ECB’s eyes if the Central Bank was to keep hold of the money instead of destroying it it would equate to it having printed money, breaking the rules which govern the EU. This why getting a deal that avoids having to pay €3.06 billion ever year is proving so difficult.

Did we have to do this?

Given that the government didn’t have the money to lend the banks the complete collapse of Anglo in particular – having been one of the biggest lenders in the State – would have had a contagious effect on other troubled banks throughout Europe potentially leading to their collapse and a full-blown banking crisis across Europe.

As Stephen Donnelly, who has been vehemently opposed to the promissory notes, points out: “[It] would certainly have run a foul of Europe’s two directives: That no European bank would fail and that the potential losses and lost profits of senior investors would be paid in full by the public.”

So all this talk of ‘a deal’ on the notes, what’s that about?

The government has been telling us for some months now that it is in ‘long, complex, detailed, technical’ discussions with the ECB to work out an alternative to paying back the promissory notes as the current arrangement is too burdensome. It says and you’d probably agree that Ireland deserves a break for the considerable amount of taxpayer money that has gone into the banks.

One of the options put on the table by Ireland has been to swap the notes for a long-term government bond – possibly sourced from the ESM – with the repayments spread over 40 years. What’s all this about? Well our dear Taoiseach Enda Kenny probably describes it best when he recently said it would be like switching “from a serious overdraft to a long-term, low-interest mortgage”.

The Department of Finance has also suggested that some relief on the interest rate paid on the principal would “translate into significantly improved deficits in the short-term, especially in 2013 and 2014″.

But all of this requires approval from the ECB and its governing council. That’s hard to get as Donnelly explains: “There is a general tone that Ireland created this mess, it allowed Anglo and INBS (Irish Nationwide) to happen, it decided to issue a blanket guarantee, it paid out the money, it issued the promissory notes and so Ireland needs to clean up its own mess.”

Patrick Honohan is pushing the case for a deal for Ireland as a member of the ECB’s governing council. Pic: Niall Carson/PA Wire

Didn’t we do something last year which meant we didn’t pay it? Can’t we do this again?

When Communications Minister Pat Rabbitte said in December that we didn’t pay the €3.06 billion last year he wasn’t entirely accurate. In fact what happened was that the government issued a bond to IBRC which was temporarily financed by NAMA (the state’s bad bank) before a longer term loan was agreed with Bank of Ireland. Under the terms of this deal BoI agreed to loan the State the money to pay the note for one year and in June of this year we are expected to repay it to BoI.

Confused? Well the main point is that theoretically it could be done again but it’s not viewed as a good idea. Namawinelake explains: “Bank of Ireland might agree to give us another loan for last year’s bond. But it is highly unlikely that Bank of Ireland will agree to continue to lend us €3 billion for last year’s bond plus another €3 billion for this year’s bond. It’s becoming a big exposure for that bank.”

Donnelly adds: “Last year’s five card trick  - designed to give the Government something to confuse the public with – actually costs us more money. It results in no write-down on the total amount owed, but just hands the costs of the payment to future generations.”

The option is not among those currently being considered by the government, according to the Department of Finance.

Could we take a ‘haircut’ on promissory note repayments, in the way that haircuts were applied NAMA loans?

Theoretically yes but in reality, no. As we established earlier, the principal of the promissory note is that you agree to repay the amount in full. The ECB would take an extremely dim view on any discount.

What if we just didn’t pay it? What would happen?

In the words of the Department of Finance it “would be tantamount to a sovereign default, which would set Ireland apart as a country that had defaulted”. The government and its advisors thinks not paying would have an extremely negative impact on businesses and individuals and would ramp up the cost of borrowing for Ireland, which has been steadily declining since recently as evidenced by recent forays into the bond markets.

President of European Central Bank Mario Draghi. Pic: AP Photo/Michael Probst.

Donnelly takes a slightly different view. He says he asked the Minister for Finance for clarification on whether IBRC needs the €3.06 billion payment in March in order to meet its obligations. No response was forthcoming, he claims.

The Wicklow deputy also identifies a number of positive outcomes from not paying: Ireland’s sovereign debt would immediately fall by €28 billion and go towards making public debt sustainable and the link between bank and sovereign debt would be weakened – an ultimate aim of the eurozone leaders. It would also free up a lot of money to boost the economy.

What are those opposed to paying it proposing we do instead of paying the full amount?

Default. As Donnelly outlines above this would arguably have a number of positive effects although he’s not naive to the possible negative impact of default and we know a bit about what it did to Argentina – high interest rates and lawsuits. “There may be serious consequences for doing so,” he says, adding that his ultimate preference is for a “multilateral agreement which fairly shares the burden of bailing out Anglo and INBS with the rest of the Eurozone”.

He explains: “Ireland did not benefit from the promissory notes, but the eurozone as a whole did, through greater financial stability. Recent Eurostat analysis shows that Ireland has paid more than any other country towards the economic crisis – when you adjust their analysis for an error…the omission of the NPRF (National Pension Reserve Fund) contribution.

Donnelly claims that if the burden were to be shared equally across the eurozone, the amount owed by Ireland would fall to less than €1 billion. But he would accept “substantial burden sharing” in the form of the €31 billion debt being reduced to “no more than €10 billion”.

Finance Minister Michael Noonan. Pic: Julien Behal/PA Wire

This is all pretty big stuff. Was there a Dáil vote on this?

The Dáil did vote through legislation relating to banks in 2008, 2009 and 2010 including the Credit Institutions Financial Support Act 2008 and the Credit Institutions Stabilisation Act 2010 which established the grounds for a promissory note being issued.

The latter is the only piece of legislation in the Irish statute book which contains the term ‘promissory note’ and the voting record shows that most of the current Cabinet voted against it.

The Dublin businessman David Hall argues that the notes are invalid under the Constitution and specifically should have been approved by a Dáil vote but last week the High Court disagreed with that claim and said in its verdict that only a member of the Dáil could challenge their legality.

In that case the State argued that bank legislation allows the Minister for Finance to spend money from a central fund without Oireachtas approval for where that money goes.

Hall is considering a Supreme Court appeal while Donnelly is among the TDs said to be considering a possible legal action. We asked the Department of Finance specifically why there was not a Dáil vote on the promissory notes and received no response.

Didn’t I read something about the ECB rejecting an Irish proposal to issue a long-term bond?

You did. Reuters and various other sources since then have said that the ECB ruled this out because it was in violation of the aforementioned Maastricht Treaty. Essentially it amounted to monetary financing which the ECB says is illegal under EU laws.

But more than illegality the ECB appears concerned that issuing a bond for Ireland would create a dangerous precedent. Namawinelake explains: “If the ECB changed its stance then next month, you might have Spain issuing €1 trillion of bonds which it markets to its banks, and the banks use those bonds to obtain cash from the ECB, and in that way Spain would have an extra €1 trillion”.

The ECB would lose control over the supply of money and that could create chaos in the markets. The bank’s view is that the promissory note arrangement is okay: IBRC can be funded up to the point where it is wound down, as is intended, and no rules are broken.

Much rides on the view of German chancellor Angela Merkel. Pic: Gero Breloer/Press Association

But the problem for Ireland is that it means paying back €3.06 billion every year for the next ten years, and that’s an awful lot of money. The government argues that Ireland is ‘a special case’ and Angela Merkel said as much last October.

The Department of Finance told us: “There is an understanding of the very great challenge placed on the backs of Irish taxpayers. Recent public comments by political leaders of other. Ministers for Finance, the European Commission, the IMF and other influential actors have recognised this sacrifice. Ireland has been recognised as a ‘special case’ and it is a case of following through on that recognition.”

“The Taoiseach has stated that solidarity works both ways. We’ve made painful sacrifices in successive budgets to hold up our part of the bargain. Now we’re looking for the support committed to us.”

So then, are we going to get a deal?

There are four meetings of the ECB governing council between now and 31 March so there is still time to put together a proposal that satisfies the bankers in Frankfurt. Finance Minister Michael Noonan told the Dáil last week: “I remain confident that an agreement can be reached.”

The government has a lot of credibility riding on getting a deal of some sort although it has never gone into specifics beyond the “long-term mortgage” Enda Kenny has talked about. It may yet give us more detail in a Dáil debate on the matter taking place this coming week.

Noonan was adamant last week that Ireland will not default though the government’s budget advisory council believes there is a 39 per cent chance this will happen while the Troika said little about the payment to Donnelly.

In short, everyone has an opinion but no-one can say for certain if a deal will be reached. So now we wait.

Read: Joan Burton: “Promissory note deal? The EU needs a success story”

Read: Challenge to promissory notes dismissed, court says TD could bring case

Read: Noonan still chasing ‘good deal’ in promissory note talks

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 8:39 AM

    nothing like a chunky article on Bondholders to ease your way into a sunday morning, think I’ll google” irish financial crisis” just to polish the morning off! oh Lord……………………

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 12:20 PM

    Iceland President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson tells Al Jazeera’s Stephen Cole that Europe should let banks that are ran “irresponsibly” go bankrupt.
    Speaking at the annual World Economic Forum in Davos, Grimsson also held his country as a model of economic recovery after its near-collapse four years ago.
    “We didn’t follow the traditional prevailing orthodoxies. And the end result four years later is that Iceland is enjoying progress and recovery.”

    Iceland president: Let banks go bankrupt
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTljJA_0Y6Y

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 12:39 PM

    Eh hello journal…. beyond a conspiracy but why for the first time since I been on the journal is the “green thumbs” button not working here on this comment??? … Is it cause Iceland is mentioned????

    Looking for your explanation on this one…..

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 1:10 PM

    Iceland’s president has it Spot on Toirealach.
    So spot on I’ll post it again.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTljJA_0Y6Y

    The Journal.ie article above and some of the posts above, are talking as if we were in some way personably responsible for the Corruption/Criminality/Stupidity of
    Seanie Fitz (Anglo)
    Dermot Gleeson (AIB)
    Brian Goggin (BOI)
    Michael Fingelton (IN)
    Denis Casey (PTSB)
    Fergus Murphy (EBS)
    Our Europuppet “government”, their vested interests and their expensive PR Media Machine want to wear us down into into a farcical acceptance that this mess was “our fault”.
    Rubbish!!
    Prosecute the named guilty above and prosecute their loyal Lieutenants.
    Prosecute the Financial Regulator, the TD’s and senior civil servants who were responsible for this travesty.

    This year our government will be calling around to our homes, with bills and Direct Debit’s for us to pay for the corruption and criminal acts of those corrupt/criminal elites listed above.
    They will use the guise of “property tax”, “water charges”, “septic tank inspection charges” etc,etc.
    But they should really just call it THE TAX THAT FUNDS THE CORRUPTION/CRIMINALITY OF CORRUPT PEOPLE/CRIMINALS.

    However, the governments of Ireland, never have a problem with blaming the victims and covering up for Inbred elites.
    This is apparent with the Magdalene Laundries and the Catholic Church Sexual Abuse Travesties.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 1:30 PM

    This is a rubbish article!
    And Stephen Donnelly
    Don’t be falling for their “LET’S BE FAIR WE ALL PARTIED” /”WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR COUNTRY IS PEOPLE SIMPLY WENT MAD BORROWING” rubbish.
    Don’t let them cajole you into their farcical, illusion of self blame and sher it was “ALL MY FAULT” because “I BOUGHT A NEW CAR” crap.
    I’m afraid we will have to just keep taking the dialogue back to the root cause,
    namely the acts of the corrupt/criminal elites that caused this travesty.
    after all it is their debt.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 2:33 PM

    This is a rubbish article? Because it gives information not opinion? Because it explains the mechanism rather than shouting indignantly?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:36 PM

    Yes Nikolas it gives CERTAIN Information from a CERTAIN perspective.
    A distorted, perpective of certain individuals who seem to be in full acceptance of a life sentence for someone else’s crimes.
    Certain individuals who seem to want to recruit us all into accepting this guilt and this life sentence.

    These are private debts from corrupt/criminal private organizations that were operated by corrupt people/criminals.
    I’m sorry Nikolas but these are not our debts.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:46 PM

    Just as in the cases in the Magdalene Laundries and the Catholic Church Sexual Abuse, decent people from all over Ireland and from all over the world are blowing the whistles on this filthy, sick form of Financial Genocide.
    People are quickly starting to snap out of this disgusting, vile, PR illusion that was created by our corrupt government and our banks.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 8:50 AM

    Blood boiling and spilling out my ears having read this one. Please can we organise a proper Dublin City protest, epic style preferably around Patrick’s Day to stand up for our pitiful, broken society which will have to endure many more crippling budgets if we do nothing. Do we want to give Europe the impression that we can continue to cope – ‘sure we have to do what we’re old..we’ll be grand”. €3 billion annually only for it to be destroyed.??!! Irish people are dying because of this. Can we create a viral message to arrange this please..? Don’t read this article and then move on, Irish-style..please.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 9:21 AM

    I agree with you but I’m not sure what the alternative is short of sinking the whole country if we don’t pay. We’ve backed ourselves into a corner. Aside from that have we changed the law such that this can’t happen again and that there is accountabilities for those managing money on behalf of others?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:13 AM

    March on the feb 9th.. there is a big non union section. . We are all in the same boat, send a visual message to support the need for deal.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:49 AM

    tom we didnt back ourselves in to this FF and the greens brought this destruction on the people ,

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:56 AM

    @Dermot, true but we voted them in and we allowed them do what ever they liked. It hasn’t changed and won’t until we “the people” decided that we want our TDs and government to be accountable and transparent in all things.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 12:34 PM

    If you want a real life example of what we still can do look at Iceland
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=X35R_3ZN-t8&NR=1

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 1:06 PM

    I totally agree with you Carmel. It all sounds like greedy financiers /governments screwing the little people . Europe lent the greedy banks in ireland far too much. They in turn lent it to developers who lost all. The little people must stand up ( but their not )

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 4:24 PM

    And FG are the executors of it don’t forget……

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 10:00 PM

    I’m actually praying that we don’t get a deal done on this. The evil men in government have staked everything on this. I’m also thinking that Kenny and co actually know that there’s no chance of getting a deal, therefore giving them an excuse to abandon ship with full pensions secured.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 8:44 AM

    so basically our grandchildrens children are in debt?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 9:23 AM

    I’m afraid so but I’m sure we can do something to lessen the burden and also put laws in place so it can’t happen again

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 10:05 AM

    Have such laws been put in place?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 12:45 PM

    If this debt is to be paid over 10 years how are our grandchildren’s children in debt?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 10:13 AM

    Why haven’t these big high flying bankers who got us into this terrible been held accountable?? Why must we pay for the absolute Blunder of these High Flying Bankers, the rich who gambled with the Irish Nations future & the Spineless Government who just wrote this Promissory Note even stop to think of the implications it would carry?? Did they the were playing a game Monopoly with our lives???

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:41 AM

    STANLEY its called CORRUPTION ,brian cowen played golf dinner and drinks with seanie fitzpatrick and the rest of the cabal in ANGLO and they never mentioned of how bad the state of the bank was , thats five years ago and still no investigation in to the banking fiasco only a massive cover up that involves all goverment institutions .

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 4:12 PM

    You won’t see any primetime specials on the plight of such individuals reduced to living in bedsits on benefits, strugglung to make ends meet! The nest eggs are well secured off shore..
    We need a task force continually investigating these individuals post bankruptcies to claw back as much as possible.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:56 AM

    Great article. Here is an extract from my letter in today’s SBP about the PNs:

    “Any deal that replaces notes with bonds is unacceptable as it simply pushes this senseless burning of Irish taxpayers onto another generation. Instead, a full write off must be sought and secured on the grounds that the cost of the bailout of Anglo should not be foisted on blameless Iriish taxpayers,

    A write off is entirely within the gift of EU central bankers and, while it might result in a temporary loss of face, no loss of cash would be incurred. In fact, the full €30 billion will be effectively written off irrespective as to whether notes are paid or not.”

    So, why pay? Bear in mind that there is NO CASH loss and, whilst it might appear to be a soveriegn default, most of the financial world with ‘skin in the game’ would applaud the plucky Irish for taking on the ECB. To pay is crass stupidity.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 10:31 AM

    How ironic is it that the guys who signed us up to all this back breaking committment are creeping back up in the polls! What are the chances that the Irish electorate will vote them back in at the next election?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 11:16 AM

    Good job we have a Primary School teacher in charge or we could be in a worse mess.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 8:59 AM

    If they are just destroying the money why bother paying it back! Call me stupid but I still don’t get it?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 9:07 AM

    Ok….stupid

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 9:51 AM

    Nuala, google “printing, money, inflation” come back to post your understanding and after long negotiations Raymond may agree to amend his remark.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 9:39 AM

    What this government should do is default. Although I think if that happens we will all have to get tattoos of the word default printed on our heads but this is something enda Kenny does not want. So maybe rewrite the promissory notes to say 2099 and let’s really push the debt out to the end of this century and let three generations time look after this mess. They don’t even exist yet and neither should this debt.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 2:56 PM

    I think the Government does not need to default – at least not technically.
    What if the IBRC is sold to somebody with no money at all and not worried about bankruptcy (plenty out there at the mo’).
    Sell the IBRC to somebody for €1. They take on all of the debt. They go bankrupt immediately. The government’s promissory note no longer has anybody to pay back to so it can be torn up.

    If the EU and ECB do not want a new banking crisis, let them buy the IBRC from our moneyless individual for €1, including the €30bn debt and then let them sort it out.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 8:59 PM

    Nice idea…. I like it…. Any reasons why this wont work????

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 10:18 AM

    Why haven’t these big high flying bankers who got us into this terrible mess been held accountable?? Why must we pay for the absolute Blunder of these High Flying Bankers, the rich who gambled with the Irish Nations future & the Spineless Government who just wrote this Promissory note?? Did they think the were playing a game of Monopoly our lives and Children’s lives???

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 4:30 PM

    Because in Ireland we reward such behaviour…..I mean, “why hasn’t anyone been prosecuted?” …please this is Irish politics at work… We DO NOT PROSECUTE politicians in Ireland for god sake!!??….. the cheek of you suggesting the like, god what has the electorate come to suggesting such undemocratic thoughts …

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 4:40 PM

    FF will never fully comprehend what they have done to this country. Nor do they care…

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 12:05 PM

    Did they ever find that 3 billion they lost last year that would be handy now? Political buffoons

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 4:42 PM

    I think that we should default like Iceland, so we can get back to recovering and all the bankers and developers should be jailed for getting us into this mess.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 1:46 PM

    Pity it’s the trade unioms organising the march as they really are 10 times worse than the politicians. They are on so many state boards and created the Croke Park Deal which will kill our country for generations. Like the politicians their children won’t be forced to emigrate. I wonder where the children of the senior trade unions work? Like the Labour Party they have no integrity. The top trade union officials make more than Obama between salaries wages from their different interests on boards etc. their pensions are immoral and like the politicians they treat the people of Ireland as stupid and as less deserving then the elite.

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 1:16 PM

    Good man Mr.Hall..

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 2:16 PM

    So FF ‘created’ money to issue a promissory note. IBRC used this as collateral to borrow from cen bank. IBRC use the borrowed cash to pay bond holders. IBRC pay back the borrowed cash to the cen bank. Cen bank then destroy the money.

    How can IBRC afford to pay the bond holders in addition to paying the cash back to cen bank?

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    Feb 3rd 2013, 10:48 PM

    Everything you need to know about the promissory notes, but the media afraid to ask and pursue

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    Nov 4th 2014, 10:39 AM

    Why oh why oh why(*1000) didn’t f.f. just let Anglo collapse and tell the bondholders with a smile that they’d be gaureenteed up to €100,000 ? Stupidity,corruption …?

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    Aug 27th 2013, 7:04 PM

    Why should we keep paying we seam to be the only ones paying up. We need to say no we are not paying then see how quick they are to find ways to ease our burden

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