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President Cristina Fernandez in front of a map of the Falkland Islands in the colours of the Argentine flag. The Latin American nation maintains the islands are theirs despite being officially under British control. Eduardo Di Baia/AP/Press Association Images

Argentina to complain to UN over UK 'militarisation' in Falklands region

There has been increasing tensions between the two countries over the disputed islands in recent months.

ARGENTINA INTENDS TO make a formal complaint to the United Nations over what it calls British “militarization” of the area around the disputed Falkland Islands.

President Cristina Fernandez accused the UK of “militarising the South Atlantic one more time” in a speech to MPs, senior officials, and veterans of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.

She said that she would be presenting a complaint to the UN Security Council and General Assembly because of the threat the UK’s actions pose to “international security”, according to BBC News.

The status of the tiny islands in the South Atlantic – which Argentina calls Las Malvinas – has been disputed for many years but it has been under British control since 1833. Its current status is as a British Overseas Territory meaning it has a degree of sovereignty from the UK.

Tensions have increased in recent weeks ahead of the 30th anniversary of the war when Argentina’s military junta briefly took control of the islands before the British defeated them following a 10-week long war in which hundreds died on both sides.

Last month the UK sent one of its destroyers, HMS Dauntless, to the region in what it described as a “routine” move. The Queen’s grandson Prince William has also been deployed to the region in his role as a search and rescue pilot.

This was criticised by Argentina with its foreign ministry saying he was arriving “in the uniform of a conquistador.”

“We will present a complaint to the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, as this militarisation poses a grave danger to international security,” Fernandez said in a speech yesterday, asking British Prime Minister David Cameron to “give peace a chance”.

The UK Foreign Office later issued a statement to say that the people of the Falklands “are British out of choice”.

“They are free to determine their own future and there will be no negotiations with Argentina over sovereignty unless the islanders wish it,” the statement said.

In further sign of heightening tensions, the top football league in Argentina was renamed after a naval ship, the General Belgrano, sunk by the British during the Falklands War with the loss of over 320 Argentine servicemen.

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    Mute Proinsias Ó Foghlú
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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:21 AM

    Horrible crime no matter who committed it.

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    Mute Freebetcitydcom Mike
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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:36 AM

    Evil israeli filth started it the fire. Theyre very good at murdering babies.

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    Mute Anthony Kelly
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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:57 AM

    The sad fact Mike is you could replace Palestine for Israel in your statement and it would be equally valid! It’s the same on both sides! They are killing each other and it’s beyond me how it will ever stop. The Palestine’s have an avowed aim of the total destruction of Israel and it’s people and will stop at nothing short of this. Israel in defending itself have morphed into that which they detested most a murdering callous statelet. Vicious circle doomed to be played out endlessly!!

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    Mute Stuart Keogh
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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:57 AM

    Cowards crime aswell, absolute evil

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    Mute Proinsias Ó Foghlú
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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:11 AM

    There is a large percentage of posters on here who are completely blind to the atrocities committed by Palestinians\Hamas. Anthony Kelly’s statement is innocuous and true, yet he is overwhelmingly red thumbed and I am sure this post will suffer the same fate!

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    Mute Monty Wuggy
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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:16 AM

    This crime is unspeakably evil, and so soon after the Jewish terrorist attack in Jerusalem yesterday.
    The Israeli government must abide by international law and end the illegal settlements. They are complicit in this nefarious murder.

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    Mute little jim
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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:20 AM

    “extreme right Israeli activists”, there’s really no reason to pretend these people are part of some minority group. “settlers” doesn’t really cover them either, they are actively looting their neighbours. We all saw the face of Israel last summer during the child cull. Like the unionists in NI, hate and violence have become part of their own identity, ignoring that is not going to help.

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    Mute Monty Wuggy
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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:22 AM

    No it is not ‘the same’ on both sides. One is an illegal occupier, the other is trying to resist the terror.
    Hamas have committed war crimes which they must be held accountable for, but that does not mean they’re morally equivalent to a zionist, expansionist state.
    This false equivalence is designed to shield Israel from consequences for their illegal and contemptible crimes. The facilitation of these crimes by Western powers is one of its greatest crimes.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html

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    Mute Terence
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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:27 AM

    Thanks to the new era of online journalism these crimes are now reported in some media outlets. The world is becoming aware of the extreme hardship the Palestinians go through daily.

    If only it was a lion instead of a child. Then we’d get some real uproar.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:37 AM

    Iran-Iraq war: 1 million Arabs killed
    Darfur Genocide: 400,000 Arabs killed
    Syrian civil war: 300,000 Arabs killed
    Yemen: 150,000 Arabs killed (will the journal ever report on this?)
    Arab-Israeli conflicts: 116,000 Arabs killed since 1920

    Does the journal only care of Jews kill Arabs?

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    Mute IrelandMMA
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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:08 PM

    An occupied people (Palestinians) have the moral right to resist peacefully or with arms the illegal occupation of their country by settler apartheid nut jobs. Viva Palestina.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:28 PM

    Jews are indigenous to the area and Israel was around a lot longer than Palestine, so I’m not too sure what you mean by calling Palestinians occupied people

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:39 PM

    ANother. ..save your breath, the pond life are out from under their rocks, where they hide until an Israel article appears, then they appear like flies around poo!

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    Mute IrelandMMA
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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:44 PM

    Israel since 1948??? Duh.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:45 PM

    Most Jews there are indigenous to Poland Lithuania Russia Moldova The USA.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:20 PM

    AN Other that’s grand as long as they’re indigenous. Lets put a blockade on the border to Northern Ireland, try to annihilate them to build houses in South tyrone. Sure if anyone says anything the wooden planks will speak up for us and veto any action at the UN

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:55 PM

    @IrelandMMA Approx 2015 years ago Roman scriptures spoke of a man named Jesus Christ born in Israel so stick your 1948 back where it came from

    @John Shaft I’m not sure what point you’re making northern Ireland isn’t in the middle East

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    Mute Patrick J O'CONNOR
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    Jul 31st 2015, 2:12 PM

    @Anthony Kelly. You’re so right Anthony and sadly it looks like it’s gonna get much worse when we look at what Hamas is doing in Gaza.,ie.,violating UN law giving military training to kids(25,000 kids) and hardening the hearts against all their fellow human beings with instruction in Sharia law telling them not to make friends among the ‘infidels. (See full article from link below).

    However there’s one brave voice, below, who does speak out- so let us wish her well!

    –”Only a few Palestinians have dared to speak out against Hamas’s exploitation of children. Palestinian activist Eyad al-Atal criticized Hamas for “depriving an entire generation of Palestinians of their childhood.” He said that apart from creating new supporters of the Islamic State, the military training of the children was in violation of human rights principles.
    Addressing the Hamas leaders, the al-Atal said: “Teach your children how to play, how to smile, how to rejoice. Build for them an institution for education and entertainment that would raise them on the love of Palestine and not how to get themselves killed.—”
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6259/hamas-camps-child-abuse
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    Mute Jensen Vhrin
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    Jul 31st 2015, 2:38 PM

    Firstly Jewish people are not homogeneous. There are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian, Convert Jews etc Secondly not all Israelis are Jews and there are Arab, Druze, Baha’i, Christian and other people living in Israel. Thirdly, the modern state of Israel, as defined by the border of 1967 and its citizens are not the same as the Israel and Israelites of the old testament. A recent article did show that for many Jewish people who were genetically linked to the land had Arab Palestinians as their closest genetic relatives.

    Finally, Palestine is occupied by definition under International Law and by historical fact. When Israel was founded in 1948 it was preceded by the promise of “A land without a people for a people without a land” despite the fact that there were millions of people living, cultivating and thriving on that land. Following 1948 there were numerous conflicts but in 1967 there was an internationally agreed Armistice line that makes up the 1967 border that is the modern, agreed border between Israel and Occupied Palestine. All encroachments of land beyond this point represent illegal annexation in violation of international law.

    Internationally Occupied Palestine is recognised an under occupation. Under the Geneva conventions an occupying power cannot move its own people onto the land it occupies. Which means that Israel is in violation of internation law by providing incentives, protection and support to settlers encroaching, stealing and destroying Palestinian lands. Under the same Geneva Convention (IV) an occupying power cannot displace the occupants of the occupied land which is violated by the forced displacement and demolition of Bedouin and Palestinian communities repeatedly.

    It looks like you should read up on your history, both of the Jewish Diaspora and of the foundation of the modern state of Israel and the Israel/Palestine conflict. You have a lot to learn.

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    Mute Tony Canning
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    Jul 31st 2015, 2:51 PM

    There’s always a narrative in comments on stories that involve Israel and occupied Palestine where people are apparently expected to denounce every single wrong action by anyone on any side. We’ve seen plenty of comments where people have actually done that – where people have acknowledged that “Israel” and “Jewish” are not synonymous, that while Gaza is a prison, Hamas also deserve criticism.

    It doesn’t seem to matter if you acknowledge that no side is acting as examples of peace – some people will never accept criticism and never actually allow a conversation to happen because they will almost viciously defend the side they have chosen and acknowledge no reasonable criticism. It’s always the way here – it always turns into “why don’t you criticise this….” and assumptions are made that not making a comprehensive statement of position on anything and everything that has happened worldwide means that someone must be some kind of evil. It’s been said a lot on this site – and it doesn’t allow for anything other than pathetic points scoring.

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    Mute Patrick J O'CONNOR
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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:16 PM

    @Freebetcitydotcom Mike.
    —’Hamas – Human Shield Confession:Hamas leader uses children,women,elderly as human shields admission.
    YOU TUBE VIDEO/SHORT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:41 PM

    Patrick, you claim “jew hatred” in pretty much every comment you make on the journal – several people have already acknowledged deserved criticism of Hamas.
    You often ask people for their criticism of terrorists and have in the past pointed at the lack of it as some kind of indication of their motivation – If that’s the case, how have you made several comments on here; in a story about a child being murdered, without once criticising or condemning this disgusting murder?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 6:00 PM

    @Tony Canning. Because like most commentators I greent-humb those who have made such comments and feel that adequate. And when you make a similar comment I’l green-thumb it too.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 6:28 PM

    yet you expect a lot more from people who disagree with your point.

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    Mute Dara Wyer
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    Sep 24th 2015, 8:40 PM

    Not Arab deaths in Iran/Iraq or Darfur- Muslim yes, but not Arab. Seeing as how we are striving for the correct terminology to be used.

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    Mute Rod_TenⒸ
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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:24 AM

    Some people just live to hate

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:34 AM

    Hamas (the democraticly elected rulers of Palestine) being one example

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:36 AM

    I’m sure the police are bursting a gut trying to apprehend these individuals

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:40 AM

    Stay classy Alan trolling on the death of a baby

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    Mute Alan White
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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:44 AM

    Richard how am I trolling? I’m giving some much needed perspective to some of the anti-Isreal and pro-Muslim fanatics on this site. The baby’s death is a tragedy

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    Mute Patrick Swan
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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:18 AM

    Hamas are in charge in Gaza, a coastal enclave separated from the rest of Israel and The Palestinian territories by miles of razor wire, watchtowers and landmined areas. The majority of Palestinian territory is ruled by the IDF, under Israeli military law, with civil matters run by the Palestinian National Authority (Fatah party) in area A (3% of the west Bank) and some oversight in area B (25% of the west bank).

    The Palestinian people are stateless and prisoners for the most part, as such there is no ‘Palestine,’ and The Hamas are not the democratically elected rulers of it.

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:24 AM

    Tragedy? Cold blooded murder more like.

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    Mute Rod_TenⒸ
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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:24 AM

    Political points scoring over the murder of a baby is the least classy thing a person can do Alan.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:25 AM

    Alan you don’t have to bring to bring your views into this. A toddler has just died. Imagine if that was your son or daughter.

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    Mute Proinsias Ó Foghlú
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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:16 AM

    Patrick are you blind to fact that Gazas’ border with Egypt is no different to the Israeli border!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:44 AM

    @ alan: “Hamas (the democraticly elected rulers of Palestine) being one example”

    Hamas won the election in Gaza. They are not the ‘democratically elected rulers of palestine’ or anything of the sort.

    “I’m giving some much needed perspective to some of the anti-Isreal and pro-Muslim fanatics on this site.”

    No. You gave a blatantly false statement and presented it as fact. That is not ‘giving perspective’.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:40 AM

    No retiring at all on the Yemen disaster, yet one baby gets killed in Palestine and its headline news…

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:29 PM

    No reporting rather, my apologies for autocorrect

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    Jul 31st 2015, 2:21 PM

    @Alan White. Well said Alan. Hamas who callously smothered to death over 200 kids used as slave labour
    building Hamas’s terror tunnels and who is right now preparing the next generation of child suicide bombers by instilling hatred of Jews and promises of eternal joy with the 75 ‘Virgins’.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:24 AM

    Let me guess IDF will not be able to track down these baby killers. No surprise, can’t wait for the pro Israel brigade to tell us what this child did wrong.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:45 AM

    ah yes. Zionists… great bunch of lads.

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    Mute Beano
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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:50 AM

    The 18 month old was a well known terrorist. Mossad had been tracking him for months

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:55 AM

    Mother tries to make wild claim that what was in the child’s bottle was milk and not petrol

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:37 AM

    John, knowing Hamas and Boko Haram, it could well be petrol unfortunately..

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:43 AM

    Boko Haram? What have they got to do with anything?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:48 AM

    Seamus, well he was saying sarcasticly that the baby had pretrol bomb, and I was just pointing out that Hamas (you know the democraticly elected extremeist rulers of Palestinine) and Boko Haram (with whom Hamas has links) have in fact used children as suicide bombers.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:57 AM

    WTF do Boko have to do with Israel/Palestine!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:05 AM

    60s rock band

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:34 AM

    It must be a lonely existence that takes to trolling toddler deaths Alan?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 2:36 PM

    @Alan White. Boko Haram also are officially liked up to ISIS and now going under the Islamic State of West Africa. ISIS last month murdered 5 women in the street outside their homes for refusing to allow ISIS to take them away to be child soldiers. No outrage here for that! Or for the 4 kids decapitated by ISIS for refusing “to follow Mohammed’. Obviously these incidents can’t tap into the Jew-hatred.
    Four Iraqi Christian kids beheaded after refusing to convert …
    http://www.barenakedislam.com/…/four-iraqi-christian-kids-beheaded-after-ref…;

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    Jul 31st 2015, 3:33 PM

    In assure you, I’m outraged by that

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:45 PM

    @Le Tigre. Your expression of outrage for those children is laudable . I wish there were more outrage for all those children caught up in conflicts. After all, all children are the same regardless.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 6:50 PM

    PJOC – haven’t seen your condemnation of this ugly episode of “Jewish Terrorism” as Bibi put it.

    Can we hope to see it soon?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:04 PM

    @Mr BF.— I condemn all acts of terror especially where they involve children such as this latest in Israel yesterday by ‘terrorists’ as Netanyahu calls them.
    I, and many others, see terror regularly on video perpetrated mostly by Islamo-Fascists.
    I especially feel for the 200 kids who suffocated to death building Hamas’s Terror Tunnels in Hamas’s maniacal drive to genocide the Jews. Haven worked in the mines for ten yrs. I know what it is like when the lights go out;and I can imagine what was going on in the minds of those kids trapped in total darkness unable to breath the dust -filled air and with no-one to help.
    Meanwhile Hamas leaders lived it up, in luxury hotels, in Doha, in Terror -state Qatar- unconcerned with the suffering they caused.
    This won’t be the case in Israel. The family will be looked after and the perpetrators,whoever they may be, will be punished.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:30 PM

    And you just have to go and belittle what you call an apology by going on about Hamas. Hamas, as we all know are evil and do horrible things to the palestinians. But there was no need for them to be mentioned here – as they were not involved this time.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:25 AM

    Disgusting act by these extremists. Looking to provoke revenge attacks.

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    Mute John Shaft
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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:55 AM

    So why is the flag you bear supporting and protecting them? Money from weapons and votes?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:25 AM

    Israel is vital ally for the US in a highly volatile and often hostile region. Part of this is close military cooperation, in areas like missle defence – as seen last year. We share our intelligence. Again nothing wrong with that. We also supply weaponry to other countries like Egypt and Saudi.
    The fact is most ordinary Americans support Israel to varying degrees, D and GOP. Nothing wrong with that. And yes there are of course votes there.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:32 AM

    The US frequently uses its veto power on the UN Security Council to block resolutions that condemn Israel and moves to rwcognise the Palistinians right to exist. And the coeardly Isralis hide behind them. It’s disgusting. They are as bad as each other

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:33 AM

    *cowardly

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:51 AM

    Jurgen. I fully agree with you that it’s a volatile and often hostile region. Big question is why is that the case? Wouldn’t be anything to do with kicking people out of their homes and off their lands now would it? But I don’t think the Americans would agree with that behaviour …..oh hang on. . ..Apache crow Navaho Cherokee!!!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:19 AM

    You must have a different definition of the word ‘Ally’ than most of us.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:21 AM

    John S, I have to say that yes the US does use its Sec Council veto in that way. Sometimes its justified, more times it’s not. Yes the US needs to be more even handed but the ME regional circumstances dictate Israeli considerations come first.
    I’d like to see a two state solution, it’s the only way. But to me neither the current leadership in Israel, or the PA and Hamas are willing to make the necessary compromises.
    And Israel are cowards? They saw off numerous Arab armies since 1948 – often unfair, harsh or excessive in their responses yes, but cowards no.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:30 AM

    John C, you have a valid point but when I say region I mean the entire ME. The region where right now there is effectively a civil war between various sets of Muslims. The casualties, displacement and geopolitical ramifications of the conflict in Syria and Iraq are huge and dwarf the Israel
    /Palestine conflict. Yet Israel Palestine gets disproportinate attention.
    Your reference to Native Americans – true, but there were also plenty of Irish (like many Europeans) that settled westwards, served in the army that destroyed those peoples.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:08 AM

    jurgen…..answer to the first part of your reply…… watch the movie “Wag the dog” you can stream it online from all the usual places. second part of your comment….yes they were born in Ireland or another country but that is the case with all Americans excluding native tribes so your excuse in trying to pass the blame doesn’t hold water. Better to accept your history of barbarism to your own and other people’s rather than try to avoid it.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:34 AM

    Eh, I watched the movie in the 90′s when it came out John. I’m well aware of it thanks. My point still stands – Muslims are killing Muslims in numbers that dwarf Israel Palestine.
    Secondly, not trying to pass any blame John. Colonial and US Govt policy clearly drove the Native Americans to near extinction, along with pressures from settlors and soldiers. Many of these were European 1st gen, more were descendants with a memory of persecution in their own lands.
    I constantly hear how the proud claim that the Irish ‘built America’. Some of that may be true but if so they also contributed in less constructive ways, as I mentioned. They were 1st, 2nd 3rd gen yet are appropriated as Irish. Take the less attractive parts of Irish emigration as well as the other stuff – I’m sure you would be very quick to point out US negatives.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:40 AM

    Jurgen
    1. What ME circumstances dictate that Israeli considerations come first?
    2. What are the considerations you mention?
    3. Why?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:44 AM

    1. John, as I said Israel is our most reliable ally in this volatile and strategic region. This is the broadest ME circumstance I am talking about. The protection of our ally Israel therefore comes first, trumping practically all others. Israel is surrounded by unfriendly and hostile states and it is US foreign policy to maintain the qualitative edge of Israels military that enables it to defeat any or all of its potential enemies.

    2. The Israeli considerations are always security from their enemies or potential enemies. The Iran deal, despite what Bibi says is actually good for Israel. Obama is acting in Israels interest and the wider ME.

    3. Why? Answer above. We need Israel as an ally and they need us. Again, most Americans are sympathetic to an isolated, not perfect, but a thriving democratic Israel. Intelligence, counter terrorism, defence technology and economic benefits all factor.

    Entire books have been written on the subject so I can’t address everything about the US Israel alliance. But despite Obama and Bibi despising each other the alliance is rock solid. I expect Hilary to continue this if and when she wins next year.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:59 AM

    Ok I got it now. The US condone the slaughter and dehumanisation of Palestinians and are happy to support it and ensure it continues because it’s in its best interests.

    It’s hard to believe that this is the same country outraged by whats happening in the Ukraine.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:10 PM

    Jurgen, There is little doubt that the US is the world super power.The problem is that you do consider yourselves to be also the world police. All a bit rich coming from a country that wouldn’t allow some of it’s own citizens to choose where they wanted to sit on the bus up until the mid 1960s.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:13 PM

    What compromises should the Palestinians make? Seriously. They have been wiped off the map by the ethnic cleansing Zionist nut jobs and your country backs it’s apartheid racist policies. America is just a parody itself.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:47 PM

    John C , I agree. No excuse ever for segregation and racism. But that was the 60’s and in law at least that is forbidden. Racism is still a problem, never claimed the US is perfect – far from it.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:48 PM

    John S, the US supports a two state solution and we also view settlements as illegal. Obama has been clear on that. The realpolitik means support for Israel makes it less likely the US will pressure Israel.
    Regarding other conflicts and hypocrisy, you have a valid point. For example you might recall the Yugoslav civil war went on and on and European states such as Ireland and Britain did little or nothing. It took American military and diplomatic power to end it. I can never see neutral Ireland having the inclination, balls or ability to intervene. Peacekeeping is great, but perhaps Ireland could do more in future and show the US the way.
    Also I sincerely hope you feel the same level of outrage and compassion as you show for Palestinians, for the 220k plus killed in Syria or for the 5 million plus killed in the Congo civil war. Hypocrisy is not the preserve of the US John, it’s everywhere and when I read articles such as this the level of invective against Israel and the US is always high, it is just not repeated in articles against those responsible for conflicts such as those I mentioned. Little interest where the US or Israel is not to blame – if even conflicts in Africa get an article.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:37 AM

    This is another example of how the press utterly fail the people in this conflict. ‘Israeli settlers in the west bank’ as always they are referring to the most recent wave. Fact is since the 67 they are all settlers in the West Bank. But only Robert Fisk and John Pilger make reference to this.
    The Israeli authorities tell us they have problems moving them and they get attacked! They have no problem bulldozing entire Palestinian villages. This was happens in broad daylight with the exception of Al Jezeera and Gideon Levy this goes unquestioned.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:05 AM

    excellent comment! Had the leasure of meeting Gideon Levy once. he is an absolute gentleman. If only more Israelis were like him

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:33 PM

    In the year of our lord (year 0) there was no Palestine, only Israel so who are the real occupiers?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:42 PM

    Really

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:42 AM

    Shocking, yet social media is all about a lion albeit a horrible act surely this conflict should get more coverage

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:25 AM

    Not sure where you’re coming from Mark?, I’d say the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is the most covered conflict in the entire world. Its what you would call a populist cause.

    Bad bad Israel poor poor Palestinians.

    Yes this was a despicable act by Jewish extremists but the simple fact is the vast majority of Israeli’s will be very vocal in their condemnation of such an act done in their name, not so the vast majority of Palestinians who usually celebrate in their droves on the street and sing the praises of the perpetrators of unspeakable acts against innocent Israeli’s.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:33 AM

    They condemn it William but will they pack bags and leave all illegally occupied land? Given the last election and history I think not. Condemning something is useless unless your willing to change the circumstances that cause the problem.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:44 AM

    Carlin the Israeli’s totally disengaged from Gaza and removed all Jewish settlements and also removed a certain amount of settlements in the West Bank back in 2005 and granted autonomy.

    What did they get for their troubles but a militant ruling Palestinian body in the shape of Hamas which done nothing to alleviate the mistrust the Israeli’s have about the Palestinians true motives.

    This was a huge step in the quest for peace by Israel but of course the useful idiots for Palestine will simply ignore this as it doesn’t fit well with their populist banner of condemning evil evil Israel at every opportunity.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:50 AM

    Well said William. Ignorant commentators on here simply don’t know their history, or conveniently forget sections of it that don’t back up their pro Hamas agenda.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:54 AM

    That’s total crap William. They took extra land in the West Bank and withdrew from the most worthless areas. They didn’t make a total withdrawal from illegally occupied land. Coincidently the land the kept had access to water supply.
    Let’s not pull punches here. Zionism is basically Russian immigrants fleeing the Tzars programs who took it upon themselves to take over the country they fled too. Their mantra of a people with no country to a country with no people has been proven time and time again to be utterly false. The argument that God promised them the land is laughable.
    If a group of Russians came to Ireland claiming a right to the land because they are the dependents of pagans who ruled the roost over a thousand years ago, we would laugh at them!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:01 AM

    What history Alan. Pick a point! Or let’s start with Herzl himself. Show me where Israel has moral ground.
    Hamas agenda. Hamas are a bunch of muppets. A pure reactionary organisation to Israeli cruelty.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:14 AM

    Carlin you’re latching onto the past thats not going to solve anything, the fact is Israel exists today and it won’t be going anywhere.

    It seems Israel is not as bad as you useful idiots like proclaim,

    Palestinian journalist Majed Azzam wrote: “We should have the courage to acknowledge the truth… The [only] thing that prevents the chaos and turmoil in Gaza from spreading to the West Bank is the presence of the Israeli occupation [in the West Bank]… [as opposed to] its absence from the Gaza Strip.”

    Bassem Al-Nabris, a Palestinian poet from Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip, wrote: “If a there was a referendum in the Gaza Strip [on the question of] ‘would you like the Israeli occupation to return?’ half the population would vote ‘yes’… But in practice, I believe that the number of those in favor is at least 70%, if not more – [a figure] much higher than is assumed by the political analysts and those who follow [events]. For the million and a half people living in this small region, things have [simply] gone too far – in practice, not just as a metaphor. [It did not begin] with the internal conflicts, but even earlier, in the days of the previous Palestinian administration, which was corrupt and did not give the people even the tiniest [ray of] hope. The fundamentalist forces which came into power [after it] also promised change and reform, but [instead, people] got a siege, with no security and no [chance of] making a living… If the occupation returns, at least there will be no civil war, and the occupier will have a moral and legal obligation to provide the occupied people with employment and food, which they now lack.”

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:42 AM

    William. You can’t ignore or move on from history if you want to ethically resolve a conflict.
    Israel is an absolutely beautiful country and with lots of really nice people (don’t mention the war. Even liberals in Israel can be funny about such things as entitlement to land)
    You can have a wonderful time swanning around in trendy Coffey shops and bars in TV or even working on a pretentious Kibbutz. It’s like staying in Fox Rock for a few months and then saying you know about Dublin.
    Go to Hebron, Gaza what’s left of Palestinian areas in Jerusalem or stand with the protestors in Bilin.
    Move on from history. That attitude only serves the Israelis.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:51 AM

    William it’s about a baby being burnt to death show a bit of cop on

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:35 AM

    Richard its also about putting a bit of balance to years old conflict, now if say Palestinians broke into an Israeli settlers house and stabbed the entire family to death (which did happen btw) why do I get the feeling you would be all on here condemning in your usual roundabout way?, that every Palestinian atrocity is somehow justifiable but if a callous act is carried out by Israeli’s you all flock to the article almost like men and women possessed in your haste to condemn evil Israel, using ridiculous words like genocide and making comparisons to the Nazi’s which is just pure BS, but I suppose if you say black is white often enough you will start to believe it?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:15 PM

    That’s a great point William. Had this been an israeli child who was killed by Palestinians, the journal.ie would be full of commentators saying how this death is Israels fault for it’s history. You couldn’t make it up!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:57 AM

    sickening. this is terrorism and only serves to continue the cycle of mindless killing

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:32 PM

    You should see what the Palestinians do to their own people in that case, Hammas murder millions of toddlers every year yet the journal seems to go ape when Israel do it

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    Jul 31st 2015, 1:03 PM

    “Hammas murder millions of toddlers every year”

    Jesus/Mohammed wept.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:45 AM

    Those Jews have short memories of been persecuted.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:49 AM

    @Derek. Refer to these people as Zionists. There is no shortage of Jewish people who stand against the actions of the Israelis.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:56 AM

    They never were Derek

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:58 AM

    @carlin, agreed…….didn’t mean to tar all with 1 brush but this article makes the blood boil!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:17 AM

    There was an election recently, the Israeli people chose to stay on this path, they backed their warmongering chief in a “massive victory”. The majority want to continue the violence, they gave their leader a mandate for it.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:04 PM

    Are you a holocaust denier John Curry? Are you that stupid?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:31 AM

    Nazis.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:33 PM

    Idiot.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:35 AM

    Not that they will be caught, if somehow they are will there houses be burnt down like the IDF do to the Palestinians.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:39 AM

    There’ll be some faux hand-wringing and tutting and then things will continue as ‘normal.’ The Israeli government and media are a disgrace.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:47 AM

    well it’s in stark contrast to the murder of a Jewish hiker recently. the reaction from various Palestinian officials was congratulatory.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:17 AM

    Despicable terrible act. Israel needs to stand up and catch the killers.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:35 PM

    Because they don’t have to concentrate on rockets from Hammas

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:35 AM

    Quote about Palestinian mothers from the Israeli minister of Justice, Ayelet Shaked:

    “They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists,” Shaked said, adding, “They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:36 AM

    Also “Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:34 PM

    Source please.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:39 PM

    @Ahren Boache. Here’s a couple of quotes from Hamas Charter you might like.
    HAMAS CHARTER.
    —”Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).—”
    AND.
    –”"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.—”
    AND
    ————-=======The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement—————————————————————
    —”Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.—”

    Objectives

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:51 AM

    The world freaks out because an American dentist shoots a lion. Israelis burn a child to death and few could care less. How f@#ked up are we.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:37 AM

    the parents of the child must be beyond grief, and this act was carried out not by soldiers against armed resistance but by citizens of one side of the community against another. the shankill butchers got away with murder for so long by using the flag of loyalism as a cover when really they were psychopaths. if the person who did this has any moral compass they should turn themselves in, if they don’t and the Israeli police don’t try to find them they are complicit in allowing child murderers walk free.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:33 AM

    I’m sure Infidel will be along shortly to clear all this up for us

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    Jul 31st 2015, 10:42 AM

    “The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said they are currently trying to track down the suspects of this attack.”

    Oh, I’m sure they are looking very hard!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 3:36 PM

    They’ve captured and prosecuted plenty of Jewish extremists over the years. Look up the Bat Ayin group

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:32 PM

    People are ignorant of the facts and believe whatever fits in with their cynicism. I’d bet my house that these people will be found and serve life sentences. The difference between Israelis and Palestinians for me is that when Israel launches an attack it’s in retaliation, and if Palestinians die the only Israelis celebrating are the type of nutters who murdered this poor child. When an Israeli dies it seems the vast majority of Gaza are out celebrating Jewish blood being spilled.

    This country seems to pride itself on ridding itself of Catholic influence, yet wants to see an astonishingly violent group steeped in warped religious ideologies extinguish the only real democracy in that region. It’s not good for the Israeli’s, it’s not good for the Palestinians, and in the long run it’s not good for Western society.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:25 AM

    The Israeli pity from the past ship drifts further into the unknown. Next port , total isolation.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 2:14 PM

    Another baby killing by Israelis. The Blot on civilisation that is Israel should be ostracised by the rest of the world,and would be, but for the the disturbing influence of Jews on American foreign policy. A total Boycott of everything Israeli, as we did with apartheid South Africa, would go some way for civilised people to show their disgust.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:26 PM

    Yeah mate. Tell ya what, why don’t you bugger off to the Gaza Strip and fight for yer cause. You’d no doubt be murdered by Hamas and paraded in front of the camera’s as another victim of the Israelis.

    This isn’t about Israel, this is about some nutters in Israel who committed an appalling act and will be hunted down for it. To think that security services in Israel would take this less seriously than the murder of a Jewish person is evidence of your ignorance.

    So go ahead and boycott all ya want, call for the end of the Jewish state, spread your misinformation all ya want, won’t make one bit of difference.

    Also worth remembering that if the Israeli government decided to slaughter every single Palestinian they could easily do so. Why haven’t they?

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:38 AM

    Ordinary Israeli Jews have no time for those settlers or for ultra-Orthodox Jews, e.g. the perpetrator of the knife attack at the LGBT Pride parade, and would prefer the disbandment of the settlements.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 3:08 PM

    I am antisemitic, if hating the way Israel is treating their neighbours is being antisemitic ….despite all the propaganda from America and Israel it seems to me that the palistinian people are being treated in a cruel and sadistic way. ….I am sure I am not antisemitic because I don’t know any Jewish people, but I wish some of them would distance themselves from what is happening in Palestine. …

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    Jul 31st 2015, 12:16 PM

    To be fair to Hamas if there was an election in the west bank they would win by a landslide. The PA in the West bank have not help an election since 2006 they know they would loose.
    Hamas are at least honest they want the total destruction of the Jewish state.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 9:20 AM

    Yeah for religion!!!!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 11:15 AM

    There were six gay pride marchers stabbed in Jerusalem by an ultra Orthodox Jew, presumably in the name of religion.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 8:09 PM

    fcuking animals.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:52 PM

    Firstly Jewish people are not homogeneous. There are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian, Convert Jews etc

    Like all religions out there. Yet we still have homelands for every major religion

    Secondly not all Israelis are Jews and there are Arab, Druze, Baha’i, Christian and other people living in Israel.

    Most Israelis are Jews, Israel is defined as the Jewish homeland (see the Star of David on the flag) but religious freedom is enshrined there, unlike Palestine I might add!

    Thirdly, the modern state of Israel, as defined by the border of 1967 and its citizens are not the same as the Israel and Israelites of the old testament. A recent article did show that for many Jewish people who were genetically linked to the land had Arab Palestinians as their closest genetic relatives.

    The border of 1967 was rejected by Palestinians and most of the Arab league decided to go to war with Israel instead of accept those borders

    Finally, Palestine is occupied by definition under International Law and by historical fact. When Israel was founded in 1948 it was preceded by the promise of “A land without a people for a people without a land” despite the fact that there were millions of people living, cultivating and thriving on that land. Following 1948 there were numerous conflicts but in 1967 there was an internationally agreed Armistice line that makes up the 1967 border that is the modern, agreed border between Israel and Occupied Palestine. All encroachments of land beyond this point represent illegal annexation in violation of international law.
    Internationally Occupied Palestine is recognised an under occupation. Under the Geneva conventions an occupying power cannot move its own people onto the land it occupies. Which means that Israel is in violation of internation law by providing incentives, protection and support to settlers encroaching, stealing and destroying Palestinian lands.

    The lands that you refer to are not Palestinian lands, they were British before 1948 Jewish long before British, and afterwards were considered essentially no man’s land.

    Arabs have no claim at all to the vemake?and they are living on!

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    Jul 31st 2015, 5:56 PM

    @Jensen I take your points and answer them

    Firstly Jewish people are not homogeneous. There are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian, Convert Jews etc
    Like all religions out there. Yet we still have homelands for every major religion
    Secondly not all Israelis are Jews and there are Arab, Druze, Baha’i, Christian and other people living in Israel.
    Most Israelis are Jews, Israel is defined as the Jewish homeland (see the Star of David on the flag) but religious freedom is enshrined there, unlike Palestine I might add!
    Thirdly, the modern state of Israel, as defined by the border of 1967 and its citizens are not the same as the Israel and Israelites of the old testament. A recent article did show that for many Jewish people who were genetically linked to the land had Arab Palestinians as their closest genetic relatives.
    The border of 1967 was rejected by Palestinians and most of the Arab league decided to go to war with Israel instead of accept those borders
    Finally, Palestine is occupied by definition under International Law and by historical fact. When Israel was founded in 1948 it was preceded by the promise of “A land without a people for a people without a land” despite the fact that there were millions of people living, cultivating and thriving on that land. Following 1948 there were numerous conflicts but in 1967 there was an internationally agreed Armistice line that makes up the 1967 border that is the modern, agreed border between Israel and Occupied Palestine. All encroachments of land beyond this point represent illegal annexation in violation of international law.
    Internationally Occupied Palestine is recognised an under occupation. Under the Geneva conventions an occupying power cannot move its own people onto the land it occupies. Which means that Israel is in violation of internation law by providing incentives, protection and support to settlers encroaching, stealing and destroying Palestinian lands.
    The lands that you refer to are not Palestinian lands, they were British before 1948 Jewish long before British, and afterwards were considered essentially no man’s land.
    Arabs have no claim at all to the vemake?and they are living on!
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    To be fair to Hamas if there was an election in the west bank they would win by a landslide. The PA in the West bank have not help an election since 2006 they know they would loose.
    Hamas are at least honest they want the total destruction of the Jewish state.

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    Jul 31st 2015, 7:16 PM

    Since 1948 the UN have not being an honest broker in the situation They have kept the Palestinians refugees for 3 generations No other refugee group have had such special treatment from the UN which prevents a deal with Israel happening

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