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Anti-abortion protester convicted of harassment outside Belfast clinic
Bernadette Smyth is appealing the decision.
3.54pm, 18 Dec 2014
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A PRO-LIFE CAMPAIGNER is to appeal a conviction for harassment handed down in a Belfast court which banned her from being near a Marie Stopes clinic.
Bernadette Smyth was yesterday sentenced to serve 100 hours community service and ordered to pay £2,000 to the clinic director.
Smyth, who is the director of Precious Life, was also ordered not to go within 20 yards of the clinic after she was convicted of stopping and questioning people who were entering.
The restraining order also applies to clinic director and former assembly member Dawn Purvis who was not in court for the ruling but told BBC News that she welcomed the ruling.
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“Effectively it creates a buffer-zone around the clinic and ensures that women who are accessing services here won’t be subjected to harassment,” she said.
The Marie Stopes reproductive and sexual health clinic is the first such private clinic opened in Northern Ireland that provides abortions.
It has been the scene of frequent protests for anti-abortion campaigners who have described Smyth’s conviction as a “miscarriage of justice”.
“We will stand 100% with Bernadette as she seeks to have this unfair and unjust charge and sentence overturned,” said Niamh Uí Bhriain of the Life Institute.
Smyth’s solicitor Aidan Carlin confirmed that she is to appeal her conviction and sentence with an initial hearing set for 15 January 2015.
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‘if’ it’s an opinion. What on earth do you think it is? She has an Opinion and the guy I responded to has an opinion. He expressed his, the correct way. She didn’t.
The issue regarding Smyth was harassment. It’s in the first paragraph.
What about case of my Swedish friend who’s deranged girlfriend aborted his twins behind this back because they had a fight. She wasn’t a happy camper after it either.
He was pro choice but has since changed his stance.
The fact that you even think it is a simple issue, and the fact that so many people agree really worries me. It is arguably the most complex social issue ever…. but of course the simple minded Journal commenters think it is simples. How very worrying and disturbing
I find it very worrying that people like you feel they have the right to tell me that should I fall pregnant I don’t have the right to determine what I do with my body.
I don’t WANT to be a mother.
I don’t WANT to never again have sex.
If I become pregnant I don’t want to have a child.
I don’t want to carry a pregnancy for 9 months
And yet you seem to think that because I made the choice to have sex I’ve also made a decision to become a parent.
It’s MY body. Mine. I get to decide, not you!
It’s friggin scary that people want to control what I do with my body.
And now, please, make some ridiculous argument like “oh, you think there should be NO restrictions, abortions for all, abortion as contraception, gendercide etc etc” instead of accepting that women have the right to bodily autonomy!
But I mentioned unconceived babies (children). Why you think they shouldn’t be protected as much as unborn babies? This level of disregard towards life at its earliest stages of development is horrendous.
Tell you what, if I fall pregnant, you can carry the foetus to term, okay.
Oh no wait, you can’t. You can’t EVER be in the position of getting pregnant and trapped into motherhood because the State refuses to recognise your right to bodily autonomy.
You can’t even be forced to donate blood, you have to consent even if your blood is the ONLY think that could save another human being.
But I have to be forced to carry a pregnancy to viability.
Marie – Unconceived means non existent. A feotus is a growing human being. They develop nervous systems, brain function after time. Sperm and eggs are just cells. It is not a stage of development like you say it is, therefore your argument is invalid.
Tricia – I couldn’t give a toss about what you do with your body. Nobody cares what you do with yourself. The point is that pregnancy means you have another LIFE growing inside of you, and you can’t own another human being, developing or not. Some people mourn miscarriages. To them, their unborn baby is as much a baby as one that was delivered healthy. If you don’t consider the the foetus growing inside of you as life, then you don’t deserve to be a mother.
Such libertarian views Trish. Imagine if the whole world decided they were going to have no regard what so ever for any one else and only made decision base on what was good for themselves.
Phrases like My body, my choice ignores other phrases like My child or My offspring. We are not speaking about leaches or parasites.
Jiminny, I can’t understand how you can’t see that those cells are the human life at its first earliest stages of development. If we don’t protect them they will never come together to develop further. I really can’t understand how society has come to a stage where it does not protect the most innocent – unconceived babies. Maybe we amend our constitution to include unconceived babies too? Like 9th amendment? Sure Jiminny, you will vote for it as you love life at its earliest stages??
Wow, I’m a Libertarian now……. because I can empathise with women who find themselves pregnant when they don’t want to be and I believe they should have the right to make their own decisions.
I think you’ll find I’m probably as far from a Libertarian as you could get but you clearly seem to think that a woman making her own decisions about her body translates into a Libertarian world view.
Odd that Ron and Rand Paul who do identify as Libertarians are probably as anti-abortion as you could find.
Marie – I’m honestly laughing reading your comment. I can’t tell if you are being serious or not. Did you not do biology in school? Th earliest stage of development is conception when the zygote is formed. Seriously, just open up any biology book, and you will see it stated in black and white that the zygote is the earliest stage of development of the embryo. Maybe science is a bit hard for you. My apologies if it is. You should go back to watching Coronation street.
Who said Jimminy? Where is it exactly written? I did biology. The picture was two eggs coming together forming a zygot. This means the earliest stage of development is the two eggs. Means each time you have fun alone you kill a potential life. I am for the protection of life from its first stage – two eggs. If we don’t protect our unconceived babies first, there will be no unborn babies. So you actually saying you are against protecting innocent life at its most vulnerable stage?
Hahah, well done girls. Science deniers really do entertain me. Let me guess, you think the world is flat, and God is real? Lol, coming to the comments section of the Journal does wonders for my ego.
I’m not arguing in favour of one side or the other, but it isn’t as simple as “It’s my body”. I (and I’m sure you too) find it abhorrent that some pregnant women drink alcohol when pregnant with complete disregard for their child, resulting in congenital diseases. I’m sure that if you confronted a pregnant woman drinking alcohol you wouldn’t see that argument as a valid defence since something harmful is being done to the child and they cannot give consent.
You must feel the same “does wonders for my ego” knowing there are women out there in desperate situations. Otherwise, you wouldn’t deny that without a sperm and an egg there would be no zygot and later no unborn and would protect the former. Obviously, the protection of life at its earliest stages is not the aim anyway.
Actually it pretty much IS as simple as “it’s my body”.
I can find it abhorrent that a woman drinks heavily whilst pregnant but I don’t have the right to legally FORCE her not to.
And let’s be honest here, there is a LOT more going on with a women abusing drugs and/or alcohol whilst pregnant then just her “exercising her free will” because chances are she is an addict and your or my definition of “free will” doesn’t exactly come into it.
But do we have the right to arrest them, confine them, force them to change their behaviour through legal threats etc or should we try to get them to willingly change their behaviour? I know which I’d choose.
Tony Kilduff. Go be worried. You’re entitled to be. You ought NOT to be entitled to lay down your opinions as law. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. Oh, wait….
Jimmy billywhatever, so if a 13year old girl is repeatedly raped by her dad and becomes pregnant…she has to carry her brother, sister/ son, daughter? Just because you don’t think a woman should have a choice doesn’t mean she shouldn’t..its a disgrace that you could suggest they have no choice. Get a grip, I’d love to see if you were a woman and raped as a child and became pregnant and were given the choice what would you choose…I bet it wouldn’t be 9 months of hell.
Trapped into motherhood ? What nonsense !
Also does it make you feel better to keep calling it a foetus ? Substitute that word for baby and write your comment.
All you have is an opinion too, don’t forget that. It just so happens that what you want isn’t legal but you believe your opinion should be enshrined in law.
If you don’t agree with robbing banks don’t rob one, oh wait….
The same justifying, eyes bulging from their head, arguments.
‘My body, my choice’
If you are not pregnant, it’s your body, your choice. Have a blast. Paint the town.
After you are pregnant, you are deciding for another person.
You don’t want anybody to decide what you do with your body, while in the next breath, you decide to terminate the life and therefore body, of another human being.
This abortionist argument does not stand up and yet gets trotted out, again and again.
If you have a problem with this, Alinsky to the rescue. You’re sexist and a misogynist.
So they move to their second line of defence.
It’s not a child. It’s not a human being. They cannot even bring themselves to denote the child as him/her. The child gets called ‘it’, ‘thing’, ‘bunch of cells’, ‘parasite’, ……that appears to be yawning in the womb and in the images, you don’t want to even look at. They don’t want to classify the child as a human being. To dehumanise, is the necessary first step. Far easier to terminate, if you regard the person, your terminating, as not being human.
When their reasoning is destroyed, they bring back Alinsky. You’re sexist/misogynist etc etc etc.
or ‘you care for the child’. The use of which, shows the illegitimacy of the original two arguments. I was not the one who consented and got knocked up. So no, I don’t think I will. You take responsibility for your decisions(the Father as well, although he doesn’t seem to have any rights in this matter.)
I can give a number of arguments as to why abortion, in certain cases, is legitimate. Life of the mother is in danger(medical danger), rape/incest, non-viable pregnancy. Even making some kind of economic argument(slippery slope) but these two defences don’t hold up. Terminating because a human being is an inconvenience to you. The war-cry of the feminist, ‘I demand my rights… but to hell with yours’
On the other side, the religious argument against abortion is non rational, as there is nothing to back it up other than man-made doctrine, pretending to be from a deity.
Libertarian?
How on earth is that Libertarian?
You have the right to do what you like, so long as you don’t impact the rights of someone else, is the hall mark of Libertarianism.
Actually here is a sample Of what she said, can I expect you to make a retraction…….
An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
That is not liberalism. You don’t know what Libertarian or Liberalism, means.
Libertarianism has been hijacked by Randists/Objectivists. That’s what they are called.
Ayn Rand was a psychotic anarchist, who tried to put her free for all theories under the banner of libertarianism. Ron Paul etc have happily obliged and the left, have gladly grouped them together just as the right brandishes anyone who wants a fairer society, as Communist.
This is side tracking, so I am not continuing with this.
Peter, I’ve never read Ayn Rand, and that excerpt could be taken out of context for all I know; but as this excerpt stands, yes, I would agree with that wholeheartedly, safely prior to the point of viability.
Niamh ui Bhriain. Cause she’s a measured rational human being. They stick together don’t they. She can appeal all she wants. Her behaviour is unacceptable. What a despicable human being.
Lola – Sure a few weeks ago, you were celebrating the embarrassing banner incident in Galway city. You are just as despicable as she is, just on the other extreme.
Putting a banner on an inanimate building is one thing. Verbally harrassing people that are going about their work is a completely different thing. Your arguments are getting worse. What she does is deplorable. What I want is for women to have access to adequate, non-life threatening health care. Is that so despicable?
I’m sure she has reasoning where she wants to protect lives, and she would call you deploarable. It really is a matter of perspective. Personally, I think both of you are deplorable busybodies, but hey sure if you are just for abortions for medical reasons, then I am sorry and I welcome you to the sane majority, but I have a feeling you are more interested in taxpayer funded abortion on demand?
@Jimminy It’s a bit of a joke to call Lola despicable and deplorable and being a busybody, by bringing up a comment from a couple of weeks ago and posting on a lot of comments on abortion issues being relatively anti-free abortions for all.
I mean, the crux of the issue for me is being available to plan your family. If my girlfriend gets pregnant we could conceivably (see what I did there) gather the money for the babies birth and such.But got forbid she became pregnant through rape, a perfectly healthy baby no medical deformities but I don’t want to raise, or even she doesn’t want to. I really don’t want to spend pretty much the money on setting up the house to raise the baby to not have a baby, why shouldn’t we have access to that sort of planning. Are we not entitled to that? Can we not make that decison for ourselves?
Aren’t some of these prolife organisations registered charities? What would worry me is that she’d get away with doing volunteer work for them through some loophole…
To be fair Fraj, you’re somewhat guilty of an ad hominem attack as well.
You can’t negate the medical necessity for the abortions that this clinic provides, so instead you refer to the doctors and clinic staff as “nazis in their cave”…
I would have knocked her out if I was leaving and she start giving me the pro life crap, she’s making a very difficult and life altering choice even harder by harassing people. What if it was a victim of rape was leaving and had to then listen to her nonsense, they have already been through enough. There’s a time and place for protesting and causing disruption and outside a clinic isn’t it.
I hope the CPS appeals and she gets jail time. A message needs to be sent to these ‘whackjobs’ once and for all that not only are their methods fu*ked up but that neither society or the law will put up with their whackadoodle protesting outside healthcare facilities being used by vunerable people. I just hope she trys again and ends up doing serious jail time.Imagine being a pregnant teenage rape victim running into this lot.This woman is a disgusting excuse for a human being.
Why don’t we justify ISIS and the Taliban then? They are fighting what they believe even tough it has ben demonstrated that 8% of Pakistan supports the Taliban and a mere percentage of Iraqis and Syrians supports ISIS taking over, yet they don;t get the message and keep on fighting to “save us from eternal damnation” What a wacko
So basically, Johnny, in your book any kind of abortion is recreational, is it? You have a very twisted idea of what counts as a good time.
Not that it’s any of your business (and I don’t know how old you think I am), but I have a daughter and several young nieces and nephews. I’ve also had several miscarriages, so I’ve experienced many aspects of motherhood.
I suppose you’re asking thinking that no mother would ever favour abortion? Well you’d be wrong. Knowing how difficult motherhood is, I would never expect anyone to take it on against their will or if they simply didn’t feel they were ready. I also worry about my daughter’s future in this backwards country.
I love it when people tell Jewish pro choice activists (many of whom are descended from Holocaust survivors) that they’re Nazis. Sects of judaism allows abortion, but what would they know about Nazism, right?
I have to laugh at Irish people saying it should be a woman’s choice to have an abortion or not.. How many of the same people would be alive today if their own mothers were giving the choice in Ireland 30+ years ago..
Nice one Trish,
You make an argument that might enable a defendant to question whether the procedures carried out at this clinic are medically necessary.
How many abnormal pregnancies are required to keep a Marie Stopes clinic in business?
The argument she’s making is one of fact. If you have ANY evidence from SEALED medical records that anyone has been given an abortion there for non-medical reasons, present it.
If not, drop the red herrings and nonsense.
Who cares how many are required? What relevance is it to this? If you have evidence or even want to make a proper accusation… Go for it.
Nobody is knifing babies in Northern Ireland, pal. That’s a tad a on the dramatic side.
In Canada a few years back, there was a motion (that didn’t get far) about post birth abortions. But I think they are still doing them up to nine months.
That is my point, the pro choice won’t stop until they get abortion upto 9 months, which is absolute evil and on a par with knifing a baby at birth, also comparable to holocost, yes holocost, in Britain it’s estimated since abortion over 5 million babies have been slaughtered, mostly recreational, the silent holocost
Johnny, I know a lot of people who would consider themselves pro-choice. Not ONE of them would endorse abortion up to 9 months’ gestation, so I don’t know where you’re getting this assertion from; your fevered imagination, I suppose.
Personally, I would like to see elective abortion available up to a maximum of 16 weeks; thereafter, abortion only to be available in extreme cases such as FFA or danger to the mother.
Now, you still haven’t answered me about these “recreational abortions” that you keep shouting about. Exactly what is a recreational abortion?
I would suggest that the medical necessity of these procedures would be backed up by their keeping public health records. You seem to disagree. Of course their records are sealed – lol.
My point being how many brides walked up the aisle three months pregnant? How many people were brought up by their grandmother not knowing their sister was their real mother.. If abortion was available a good majority of us alive today would not of been born..
And how many lives were ripped apart by unwanted pregnancies? How many women shipped off to convents in shame? How many women raped and forced to carry their attackers child ? You, David, are the epitome of what is wrong in our society today.
There you have it in a nutshell.. I have my own opinion on the pro life side of the debate and all of a sudden I’m to blame for what’s wrong in society today…
“The restraining order also applies to clinic director and former assembly member Dawn Purvis”
- This seems hard to comprehend, can she no longer work there now????
Back on topic, I wonder how many of these holy Josephine pro life protestors have a history of terminations behind them they’re now trying to make amends for…..???
Um, Kane, I think it means that Bernadette Smyth is not allowed anywhere near the clinic director; not that the clinic director can’t go to the clinic.
The law works on the basis that acts that are considered morally wrong such as murder, theft, rape, assault, and many others. We create laws to ensure citizens are punished if they break socially unacceptable rules. It was illegal to use contraception to avoid pregnancy. It was illegal to commit suicide. It was illegal to be a homosexual. It was illegal for certain social groups to vote. Times changed and archaic laws in the main part are (or will) be amended to reflect current societal views. The last referendum was over 20 years ago, and it took until cases were won at ECHR level to finally legislate for the result.
Government has to put this issue back to the the people to decide what the current view is. It is anti democratic to deny citizens this vote and only because there is a general election looming. They are supposed to be representing us, the people. This shows them up as the self serving gob sh*tes that they are.
I’m fairly pro life and a bit pro choice, depends on the situation, anyways this is horrible, she should not be harassing women outside this centre. She doesn’t no the situation of each woman, so she shouldn’t be questioning them whatsoever
I’ll consider an unborn child a ‘baby’ when the government starts paying out child benefit for fetuses in the womb and the Gardai allow you to drive in the carpool lane when pregnant.
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