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IRISH SCIENTISTS HAVE found a potential way to treat one of the most aggressive forms of breast cancer.
Researchers from BREAST-PREDICT have shown that a new drug can help to prevent the growth of triple-negative breast cancer cells.
This type of cancer is often aggressive and difficult to treat. It tends to be more common in younger women.
If the new drug – APR-246 – is found to be effective at clinical trials it will have the potential to save lives.
More than 250 people are diagnosed with triple-negative breast cancer each year in Ireland.
The type accounts for about one in six breast cancer cases globally.
The only form of drug treatment currently available for patients with this type of cancer is chemotherapy, which may not be effective for everyone.
The research was carried by PhD student Naoise Synnott, under the supervision of Professor Joe Duffy and Professor John Crown. It involved laboratory tests in combination with current chemotherapy treatments.
BREAST-PREDICT is an Irish Cancer Society Collaborative Cancer Research Centre.
The findings have recently been published in the International Journal of Cancer.
Commenting on the research, Naoise Synnott said that she decided to focus on triple-negative breast cancer for her research as it was clear that a lot of work needed to be done in the area.
“I decided to focus my BREAST-PREDICT research on triple-negative breast cancer because it was clear that work needed to be done to provide better and more targeted treatment for these patients,” she said.
I hope that the work of me and my colleagues in St Vincent’s and UCD will be a big step in providing better treatment and hope to future triple-negative breast cancer patients.
Cancer
Outcomes for patients with breast cancer has improved significantly in recent years.
Survival rates have increased to 85%. This is partly due to newer more personalised treatments that help to target certain “biomarkers” which are detectable in most strains of the disease in patients.
However, triple-negative breast cancers lack these targets and so are more difficult to target.
The research by Synnott and her colleagues showed that the new drug can target a mutation of the gene that occurs in about 80% of these triple-negative breast cancers.
The drug acts by correcting or neutralising the mutated gene, which can stop the growth of the cancer.
Head of research at the Irish Cancer Society, Dr Robert O’Connor, hailed the development as a significant milestone in the ongoing work of BREAST-PREDICT.
For more information on the work of the Irish Cancer Society visit www.cancer.ie
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Because an incendiary piece of tabloid-esque sensationalist provocation is exactly what Northern Ireland needs to move on.
Peter Taylor is far from a tabloid-esque journalist… what this does is potentially unmask the myth that the last 30 years of war was won in the interest of Irish freedom – uncomfortable really for those of this point of view… both morally and politically. It was a victory for war-weariness and common sense… and makes the probabilty of an Independent (however unviable) ‘Northern Ireland’ more likely then a re-united Ireland. Shout out to Bertie here for agreeing to give up the claim to our own land.
Peter Taylor is the voice of the troubles. His CV speaks for itself.
Well there is one thing for sure it was none of the people who died.
Taylor is certainly an accomplished reporter but this film is BS. It was never about beating the British. It was about Catholics winning basic human rights and having a say in the running of the state. The British have never lost a war if you listen to their side. They purposely left India, Ireland, South Africa, Kenya, etc. It was nothing to do with the independence movements in those countries.
The IRA campaign was not about rights, it was about securing a 32 County Irish Republic.
Arguably the campaign never ended Adrian, merely shifted from trying to win a 32 County Republic militarily to winning it politically.
It could only be achieved militarily, about 70% of NI don’t want it and will never vote for it.
If it’s achieved militarily it won’t work either as people will refuse to be a part of it. Violence wins everything but wins nothing at the same time.
“It could only be achieved militarily”
By whose authority can secession only be achieved militarily? Your argument that 70% will never vote for re-union with Ireland is also quite frankly bogus as a border poll has never been held to officially define what the results would be.
The people who lived through the troubles are the ‘voice’ of the troubles!
You would need to watch the whole programme before drawing any such conclusion Gabbi… I recommend this part in particular: http://sluggerotoole.com/2014/09/26/peter-taylor-meeting-sean-again-was-a-sad-and-salutary-experience/
Jason there was a border poll in 1973 and it returned a resounding no vote.
This is 2014 comrade! We were 4 years into the so-called troubles in 1973! JUST SAYING!
He may be the voice of the Troubles but it is lazy journalism to throw in the line that he has a hunch there will be a united Ireland at some time in the future. That’s plain guesswork
Yea but it was boycotted by nationalists
Well why look for a border poll now if they boycotted the 73 poll?
Republicans like to quote election results from 1918 so don’t knock me for quoting a result from 1973.
What a shock, the BBC say the British, did you not see how biased they were during the Scottish independence referendum, Rule Britannia and all that……..
Well said
The Lady’s not for turning.
Peter Taylor is one of the most unbiased journalists to have ever reported on the north – all his books are fair an balanced… considering the IRA’s objective was Brits out and reunification and the British aim was to keep the North then of course the Brits won – no matter which way SF and their supporters want to spin it. … but queue the SF’ers the ‘struggle’ this is the next phase blah blah blah… the six counties are very much part of the Union… the South’s territorial claim is gone.. it was a victory for the Union. The genius of Adams and McGuinness is convincing most that they in fact won… not so much genius and inducting a large number of facile minded converts to believe the lies that they spew.
The tragedy is the north has institutionalised sectarianism… an viable system of election and government and is a time bomb waiting to go off… it is a disaster. Peace is terrific but the GFA was a Pyrrhic victory fo the moderates and a gift to the extremists to carve up the north into religious voting blocks… SF double speak will have a lot to answer for the in years to come.
Taylor was the one who first called Bloody Sunday correctly… his view should not be so readily dismissed and as for the BBC – well their documentary on Paisley was very balanced. I think wait and see the documentary before commenting on bias.
If it’s judged by its outcome then yes the British/unionists won.
Most of the unionists are too stupid to realise that they won. The former members of the IRA and those who never joined in the first place are too smart to admit that they lost.
Emily i saw that quote yesterday and it is a perfect summation of the north – and succinctly put.
While many republicans fought for a United Ireland, the Troubles started from the lack of civil rights for Nationalists in a one party state. It was compounded by the arrival of British troops who had tons of experience fighting wars and none keeping the peace amongst their own citizens.
Those who fought to right the wrong of the discriminatory Unionist govt and getting British troops off the streets could well argue that they won that battle.
The wider war for a United Ireland can be fought on a political rather than military stage.
eh back to barracks is not winning – if Collins victory in 1921 had been merely the Brits hiding in Dublin castle would that be a victory? and as i’m sure you are aware initially the families on the falls and many other enclaves welcomed the brit troops… it went south after that – as the reasons changed – and it turned into Brits out.
The Brits had naval bases here until the 1938
“eh back to barracks is not winning – if Collins victory in 1921 had been merely the Brits hiding in Dublin castle would that be a victory?”
That’s pretty much what happened Gabbi. The Free State only existed at the acquiescence of the London government and Churchill even instructed the Free Staters to attack the Four Courts with the threat of using British troops to do it. In the end Collins did as he was told and borrowed artillery from the British to do the job. Is is rumoured that he employed the expertise of British troops in the operation.
Fman… Yes Collins used far more than that against his own people and displayed treachery against his own people.. To compare the irish free state to the gfa is fanciful at best.. No british garrison remained in this part of ireland… And victory is rightly claimed by all sides in removing the brits from this part of ireland..
Alan.. Not the same thing at all..as im sure you know.. The fact that they were ‘given’ to the free state when europe was on the verge of war is a testament to that and chamberlains stupidity of course.
By the way.. Collins was regarded as a traitor by the same people modern sinn fein cite as their successors.. Collins freedom to win freedom was seen as folly.. He got more than what was contained in the gfa.
You are going through some contortions Gabbi, the British didn’t need a garrison in Ireland at the time, they had a proxy, the Free State army.
Up the ra there will never be Peace till Ireland is free.
By that logic who is the brits rep in the north then? Who keeps british rule in existence?
@sean id say you’re what about 17/18? You’re talking gibberish. The I Ran Away party will not let that happen.
The IRA did not run away. The trouble were continuing when many, many people on the ground knew that it was not going to achieve brits out’. The people of the north were war weary, there needed to be a change of tactics. As a supporter of the Republician Movement I see the GFA as a step in the right direction for everyone. As i have said on here many. many times I had walked behind too many coffins, it had to stop, something else had to be found to keep alive the voice of the Republician/Nationalist/Catholic people of the north, why do you think it was so heartily embraced by a huge majority in the north.
I do believe that the ‘struggle’ does go one…..it just doesn’t involve bullets or bombs anymore and for that I for one am very, very glad……’you had to be there’……
The BBC are the propaganda voice of the UK Tory party. The same Tory party which saw the troubles prolonged by Thatcherism….
Jean when will you boys stop intimidating the people of the Fountain?
Now SF it appears are fully backing the introduction of water meters & Irish Water. Our saviours!
Sorry Adrian, I’m assuming that you meant to say like ‘my boys’ attacking the Fountain……firstly define ‘my boys’ for me please and as for the Fountain…..teenage boys from both sides have been having a go at one another at the Fountain for decades…..what exactly is it you think I can do?
No two people will have exactly the same views on Northern Ireland….
Things are heading in the right direction,
No one wants to revisit the old days….
Its not even up for debate. The union is underpinned and safe. And a united ireland is further away than ever.So clearly, ine winner…if thats the right word
How can you win a war when it isn’t over yet?!
@sean you’re like the Japanese soldiers they found on remote islands 30 years after WW2 ended still fighting. Its over – the Brits won.
The reason the provos were formed was to defend Catholic areas from attack by Loyalist mobs who were aided by the security forces. (The old Official IRA refused to because they reasoned it would’ve been sectarian to do that.) They managed to do that and to bring and end to the one-party Stormont state. I’d say that’s pretty successful
@lorem … but the IRA aim was re-unification and Brits out. Weeks before signing the GFA and before the IRA ceasefire – SF promised supporters they would never acquiesce to a northern parliament… in fact the SF leadership convinced many of the rank and file that this was the case… so no when the armed struggle began the ending did not have a new stormont as part of the fabric of victory. You are just spouting the revised version of what the struggle was about. As an aside – it seems that ultimately the stickies were proved correct – a sectarian state was formed as a by-product.
Boo, did you happen to see what happened in SCotland last week? The so called Union has never, ever been so fragile.
Jean thats true but doesnt mean a united ireland is closer.. The UDP used to advocate and ‘independent’ northern ireland.. I think this is ultimately more realistic than a united ireland. The problem with the GFA is that it is not governable.. Too many politicians and hard decisions being made.. The time for SF having their cake and earimg it will have to come to an end.. The agreement you speak of will not happen this side of an election.. Too much to lose for SF or DUP.
They delayed reform by thirty years Loren Olsun (auto correct… But it suits) … The one party state ended when stormont was prorogued and direct rule established. Arguably if the IRA had not attacked the British Army, the British Army would have stopped the loyalist mob… Instead it got an excuse to back the mob.
no, i don’t think it is. is ‘ine’ even a word?
I do agree with you Gabbi, a UI will not happen by way of the UK falling apart. An ‘independent’ NI wouldn’t be viable as we have no resources or any other means of supporting ourselves…..we are always going to be dependant on someone, at present that is the UK but I agree with most pundits that a UI is ultimately going to happen but it will happen for economic reasons and not because of patriotism…..
The IRA won democracy civil rights and paved the way for unity. A few thousand Irish soldiers brought 100,000 british terrorists to their knees.
100,000 = BRIT ARMY RUC UDA UVF LVF RHC MI5 MI6 SHOOT AND SCATTER RAF
Irish soldiers? Oglaigh na hEireann never fought in the 6 counties. It’s all about money – gun money, drugs, illicit alcohol and cigarettes, money rackets, laundering petrol, robbing banks, intimidation, knee capping and much more. Don’t insult the guys who go to and have been to places like the golan heights by calling IRA s cumbags the Irish army.
No Surrender to the IRA.
Did Jean McConville have her ‘civil rights’ respected?
They weren’t soldiers.
Jesus Scipo. You sound like Enda Kenny. McConville was a rat.
IRA never produced any evidence McConville was an informer…
Have a green thumb Scipio.
The IRA did not give a toss about human rights. They ensured Irish people living in England went through hell, they ensured that the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 stayed in jail, they murdered children, they murdered “civilians” and when they ran out of road they surrendered without achieving any of their goals. Even still they are effing around. And do not insult our Army by comparing pondlife like Sands and co with them. The cowards in the RA wanted to play soldiers but when real soldiers played back they started whining like the bitshes they were. And those boys are not fit to lick the feet of men like Collins and DeValera, Pearse and Connolly, Boland and Barry. Dirtbags the lot of them.
Take Dev out of that !
Totally agree with Scipio,
Martin Byrne, you’re beyond vile.
The free state army were too cowardly to take on the british murderers, they left it to untrained heroes of the IRISH ARMY,
THE IRA are the only irish army, the free staters are just a regiment of the british army.
@flash – devs crime was that he lived.
i see patrick lyons is logged in under 4 different accounts
Wesole…..did you ever live in the north in the 40′s/50′s/60′s? i doubt it very much……that means you haven’t a fecking clue what your talking about.
There is more than Patrick Lyons who thinks the IRA are spirogyra.
ahippo
you need to practice your tenses. The ira left the scene after winning democracy and civil rights and paving the way for unity.
In fairness did they not tell the police that they had arrested the wrong people, regarding the Birmingham bomb, the police took no notice
Defending Israel while they stood idly bye defending an Illegal border while Nationalists were gunned down by British Soldiers how brave of them
As painful as it may be , as long as N.Ireland remains within the Union then I guess they have won the battle but the war will never be over for those fighting for equality and justice within the republican communities , until they have a Vote on leaving the Union there is no real point in claiming any sort of victory
Does Peter Taylor or for that matter anybody else really think there was a winner from all those decades of conflict. I expect better from Taylor as he’s done number of good reports over the years. But to ask such a question, in such a fashion and at such a time, is neither intelligent or welcome.
Considering Sunningdale was on the table all those years ago and what SF/IRA settled for was effectively Sunningdale, one would have to say Taylor has called it correctly again. That said, we have no idea what might pan out in the future regarding demographics, UK Government decisions (especially related to the EU) and the effect that might have on moderate Unionist opinion – however as it stands, the IRA failed to achieve their objective, the British Government still rules NI and the will of the majority of the population of NI is now enshrined in treaties – I don’t know how anyone could argue anything other than the UK Government won the war.
Nobody ‘wins’ wars anymore.
The Catholics were severely discriminated against in housing and jobs. Pogroms against Catholics as well.
The 6 county/NI/North of Ireland statelet is an anachronism to the past and would not survive if the British were not funding it
The comments here will be good.
Yeah the will, here come the trolls
fcking w@nker!
When you look at photos of Peter Robinson and Martin Mc Guinness standing together, you would have to say that sanity and common sense won.
Whatever underlying difficulties persist will eventually be removed with the passing of generations but this type of garbage doesn’t help the process.
Martin it has been announced tonight that talks will commence, with the Irish and British taking part. The past, flegs and all the rest have to be sorted out. Peter and Martin can’t stand the sight of one another. i have to say tht Martin’s ability to communicate, articulate, welcome and interact with just about everyone he come in contact with must gull the life out of our Peter. That said I’m glad that other involved in the brokering of the GFA will now sit down and continue where Haas left off. GRA part 2.
You could say that Britain won the territory, but failed to win the hearts and minds of the people. Where else in Europe would you see a ‘peace line’ with high walls and barbed wire fences dividing a city. Logic would suggest that until you get rid of sectarianism and bigotry on the part of groups like the Orange Order, then normality will never see the light of day in Northern Ireland.
And groups like SF/IRA too
Who exactly needs reminding about what’s happened in Northern Ireland? I don’t think the people of Northern Ireland have forgotten.
That sound bite is a rather simplistic view of the violence in northern Ireland. It seems to be intentionally designed to be provoking. (It worked, I will tune in)
It is true to say that republican violence failed to achieve it’s stated aims but it is also true that the establishment that brought about the violence has radically changed. The unionists no longer have Catholics/Republicans subjugated as second class citizens. It is regrettable that violence seemed to be the catalyst for the realisation in the UK establishment that the status quo would have to be changed in order to end the violence. Both sides agreed to search for peaceful solutions with the realisation that things could not and would not be status quo antebellum
A loser/victor narrative is unhelpful and inappropriate for the troubles.
No doubt the intention is to spread a little British pride through the Union to help repair the damage from Scotland’s referendum.
Peter Taylor says there will be a United Ireland- but he is not going to say that the Provos won on Brit television whilst the Brits are away fighting another war and going against Peace-
You might need to read what he says.
The perception right now is that they won, but that may change if there’s a united Ireland.
But if a UI were to come that would not necessarily be as a result of the War – it would be like saying Hitler created the EEC/EU – a UI might be as a result of many other factors, including the lessons learned from a pointless conflict.
Talk about stoking the fire!! Let sleeping dogs lie for god sake!!
Deliberately provocative subject matter for a documentary.wholly irresponsible IMO
Do you want him to say that ye lost the war on a United Ireland is it? Well ye did buddy. The war is over, and there’s no United Ireland. Fail…
Whoops@peter below
No one won. Everyone lost. Except of course those who make and sell weapons……
Who has control of the 6 county’s ?
Well there is your winner.
Don’t often agree with you Gladys but bang on this time.
Well, if the Westminster response to the recent Scottish referendum is anything to go by, it’s the people of the North of Ireland who control themselves. The UK is (and must) move to the provision of greater autonomy to the regions of the UK. So, Ulster men and women can rule themselves. Maybe, this is something we could incorporate in our system of governance with Dublin out of sync with the rest of the country.
BBC Filmmaker Peter Taylor OBE speaks startling unbiased truth avowing that his work is viginal and not tainted by the cancerous bile of British propaganda! H……..unbelievable….. a must watch
Too be fair, he has a point, a United Ireland was the game, no united Ireland attained, therefore the war was won by the british. Ah well…
The IRA won democracy civil rights and paved the way for unity.
I’m sure the English taxpayer wish they hadn’t ‘won’. Maintaining the North costs over €13bn a year in subvention, not to mention associated costs of an ineffective civil service (43% of the North’s working population, compared to 27% in the South) and enormous security costs. We can wait until the North becomes more self-sufficient.
True, but not the war. That’s what we are talking about here. They’re goal was a United Ireland, look a the bigger picture my friend, they lost.
They were pretty much numpty’s anyway with the atrocities they carried out and all so no they are no great loss..
Well, rights were won for the Nationalist community which wouldn’t have been so forthcoming had the Troubles not happened. I believe there is a greater understanding between North and South, so in many ways the war on ignorance and fear has been partially won. Conflicts of such magnitude and nature rarely bring about absolute results in terms of winners and losers.
Really, really easy to say when all you have ever had to fight with is a crashed PC. You haven’t a notion.
Fcuk the UK. They want a rematch or what. ?
A rematch?
Good to know that well reasoned and considered opinions are flourishing.
Also,John you’re apparently from Dublin… You were even in the last match.
Yes, Britain has won – but 95% of its citizens would prefer if they hadn’t. As its costs the UK exchequer £1b (£1,000,000,000) every MONTH to pay its bills!
And the man in the street in Newcastle, Cardiff or Maidstone couldn’t give a toss about this island; most don’t know the difference between north and south. Or care.
But many here (SF included) still think that we should take over NI – when we can barely pay our own way, and are in hoc to the tune of billions. We should wake up, at last….
Yes Will – absolutely correct. But its amazing how many idiots rabbit on about a united Ireland, having been bailed out of bankruptcy as a country. It just ain’t gonna happen!
The deficit is about £9 billion (not £12 Billion), and half of that is Northern Ireland’s contribution towards the UK’s Defense, Interest on Debt and related expense. It’s not actually the total basket case you make it out to be, but I completely agree that it’s has failed as an entity within the UK.
No COT – the net monthly contribution of the UK exchequer, to NI, is about £1b. Every month…
I’m not even going to bother asking you for a link, you complete and utter muppet.
“NI public spending £9bn higher than tax income in 2011/12″ – BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26845607
NORTHERN IRELAND NET FISCAL BALANCE REPORT 2011-12
http://www.dfpni.gov.uk/ni-net-fiscal-balance-report-2011-12.pdf
Eejit.
Your figures are dated. OK, let’s say £9b a month – but it is NET.
eegitte
Actually they are the most recent figures.
And of course the figures are ‘net’! What would be the point of them otherwise, ffs.
Of course the Northern Ireland economy needs to be reformed, but the only sound long term economic future for the North is as part of Ireland. It’s already happening in so many areas.
This ‘united’ Ireland has nothing to do with politics. It’s the triumph of geography, economics and common sense.
why won’t these Brits just leave our island and go back to were they came from?
They want to actually. The British made a very short-sighted decision when they forced partition of the island and that has now come to bite them in the rear economically. The only problem is they’d appear to be abandoning the North should they leave with the majority still wanting to be a part of the UK. More to the point, abandoning the North could lead to massive social and economical problems for the North should the UK abandon it and the Republic decide it’s too costly and too much of a social problem to take on.
the sooner them orange murders get off our land the better as far as i’m concerned
What an idiot….for most people on the right side ,the war was never about defeating the uk it was about human rights and civil liberties and that war was in fact lost by the union and the unionists as they were the ones who denied people the right to live with dignity. They can no longer bully,oppress and kill the people with the impunity they once had. People are now free to live their lives and raise their families in peace and security. The prehistoric attitudes of the like of hard core unionists ,the orange order and of this guy are the real losers in the war . They have nowhere to hide anymore
Nobody wins in a war. People just die. The fact that we have peace now and a much better level of equality is terrific. I grew up watching the news each night often hearing of another murder, knee-capping or punishment beating. Thank God those days are behind us.
Is this fool actually trying to restart the whole mess? Is the peace, however imperfect, boring him? Does he miss being a tool of the British government? I am at a loss to understand this.
‘I am at a loss to understand this’ – from seeing your regular contributions.. this happens to you alot…if your reasoning is true it can’t be a very true peace if a documentary can wreck it… fundamental problem if your reasoning is correct – no? – if it is not correct .. ergo you’re talking nonsense.
Well, gabbi or lyons or nizlopi or whoever you are, one need only read the comments on this one tiny thread to guage how unnecessary and inflammatory such a documentary is at this time. There has been no demand for it, and that is why I fail to understand why such a question is being posed
Why was a programme like this ever made stupid concept in war there are no winners. Only adds fuel to the fire.
The BBC have another thing coming if they think that war is over, only a matter of time before we have a United Ireland
There’s an element in the north that would never want unity no matter what, apart from the republic going back into the union but they’d have a suspicion about that to. I’ve even met nationalists that feel they’re better off under the crown. They consider us a bit backward up there and use the economic boom bust and clergy issue as reasons not to want unity. That said travel is a lot easier now that the borders gone. Investment in the border areas to bring them up to par is what’s needed and this has been stymied by unionists through the years. It creates a buffer zone of rural land. The only way I see unification is through demographics.
When Stormont are forced to implement new benifit restrictions and cuts the so called ‘loyalist’ won’t be long changing their tune. They want to be as British as Finchley well they are about to be treat that way……watch out for the fire works…..
“They consider us a bit backward up there and use the economic boom bust and clergy issue as reasons not to want unity.”
A bit rich coming from people living in an area which is perpetually broke, wouldn’t you agree? Sure we’ve had booms and busts (which is unavoidable, merely the severity of each can be controlled) but at least we have the power to make our own choices.
Jason go away
I don’t wish to unite with the 26 counties as an extreme ignorance and bitterness has formed in my generation (people in 20s and 30s)Nothing to do with your economy.
I would view it as going back in time, e.g. going back into a state where we are looked down upon.
My father is an old fashioned nationalist who thinks the relationship between north and southern catholics is great but this is common with the older generation.
I fear you are right Mick O’Neill, the British and Irish media have been very successful in fostering Southern chauvinism regarding their Northern brethren. The psychological border created in the mindset of so many Irish people in the south is much greater than any physical or political border.
“Jason go away”
How very mature of you Adrian. Do you have an actual contribution to make to the discussion?
I agree Fman…..many times we were referred to as the ‘black north’. I don’t know if this happens as much as it used to. back in the 70′s I was on holiday with my toddler son in Gory. I went into a gift shop to buy a present and asked the owner if he had any Bellek (spelling?) china….his response as he looked at me with utter contempt on his face was ‘I only sell Irish products in this shop’…..I was speechless and just walked out of the shop feeling like I had just been slapped across the face….
How can you win a war when it isn’t over yet?
Score Draw
Where is the troll Richard Rodgers on this one.
Wonder how it would went if the ira had never exsisted. Probaly worse than now. Up the RA i say
No one won.
Over 3500 dead – they certainly didn’t win.
Peace won not the british,not the irish but peace and all sides played their roll nothing more and nothing less,now is the time for the politicians to secure an everlasting peace if possible for all the people of ireland.
Looking back on it it feels as if everybody lost. A sad sad time and something that ran on about 30 years too long but left a bitter aftertaste that’ll last for 100.
That is an interesting question. While on the face of it, its true that the IRA are gone and the Union is secure, the objectives of Republicanism as a whole and the outcomes of the conflict are more complicated. If we look at pre-1969 Northern Ireland, we have: A unionist dominated state, a paramilitary police force decidedly on the side of that state and widespread discrimination against Catholics. Now NI is a representative democracy (from a Nationalist/Unionist perspective), the PSNI (while undoubtedly still flawed) are not the paramilitary force that the RUC once were. And now discrimination (while still present on both sides) isn’t official policy,
Now people can rightly point out that the IRA didn’t achieve its goal, one has to concede certain points. The vast majority of young people who joined the IRA in the North, weren’t ideological dogmatists like their Southern counterparts. They joined largely because of their subjective experiences faced at the hands of Unionism. I think it would be fair to say, that had Northern Ireland been as representative as the rest of Britain, the IRA would have remained completely unsupported and a minority (similar to dissidents today). Indeed it is fair to say that the IRA, even during the Troubles, were never supported by the majority, but were supported enough to continue their campaign.
I also dont think its fair to say that “Britain won”, as they generally seen Northern Ireland as a problem as opposed to a war. If one was to compare Britain’s involvement in NI to say Israel in the PT or The USA in Afghanistan, they took a far more pragmatic approach. I certainly don’t think if all of NI wanted to rejoin the Republic,the British would have stopped them. Not to mention the pressure the British put on Unionists to address the fundamental discriminatory problems in the Northern Ireland State. They were very much more Gorbachev than they were Brezhnev.
Unionism didn;t “win” either, their union is still preserved, but their stranglehold on power certainly isn’t.
If I was to be cynical, I would argue that the biggest winners in the conflict are the bureaucratic elite, the professional dialoguers, and the people in charge of “community initiatives”, they are the real winners, financially anyways.
As a history teacher, when we look at a war to see who won we see who achieved their objectives. IRA didn’t achieve theirs but the moderate nationalists did as they’ve equality and a power share parliament. The unionists did to an extent. Now they’ve to share power but they’re still in the UK. But it is an awfully complex and emotive question that probably should be left to the next generation to answer.
The history is already written, this documentary won’t change anything. I was watching a documentary last week which claims that all world leaders are some sort of reptiles who have always been in control and can change their physical appearance like a chameleon, I’m a little uncertain, TV is for entertainment. Long live the Queen
It’s a moot point because it was never a war. It is a conflict which has resulted in all sides keeping an agreed status quo. No winner. Just relative peace.
Sorry Killian but yes it was very much a war. It was declared a war in Westminster….sorry my memory fails me sometime so I can’t remember just at the minute who it was but it was a British Minister…..fecking old age….it’ll come to me Killian.
The Unionists were defanged and that really is the most important thing.The IRA were never actually going to win.
It shouldn’t be about who won and who didn’t! So many people have died unnecessarily over the years up there due to the battle.
Nobody WON the war, despite what some ‘Keyboard’ enthusiasts would like to argue! If I can, I have two quick points to make though:
(1) Sinn Féin, the Provisional IRA and likeminded revolutionaries did however WIN the peace.
(2) I’m glad that it has been acknowledged several times from several different quarters since the signing of the good Friday agreement that IRELAND did indeed have a war which numerous politicians, governments and individual people wrongly dismissed and chose to ignore, unfortunately affecting hundreds of individuals, ie: combatants and non-combatants!
There was no war in NI
If you say so Adrian!
@Adrian, Just curious, but were you around for any of it? Have you read up on any of it? Do you know any one who has any knowledge about it? Seriously.
Brits won pure and simple. IRA murdered all around them for 30 years and ended up with what they already had with stormont. Border copperfastened and claim to our national territory ceded. A sell out by Sinn Fein/IRA for power.
Pat Naughton, superman of spin!
well said Pat , true ,very true it goes deeper that you think if you look at my comment above in schooling this Naill boy with the Irish name just to make sure everyone knows he votes SF
Considering the fact that you actually got basic facts wrong which a quick Google search would have verified when you were “schooling” Niall, I’m going to hope you don’t work in the education sector.
Lol….. It’s Mr. anonymous again! Just because a person uses the Gaelic version of their birth name (from the age of 14), doesn’t give you the right to presume it’s to show everyone they vote for Sinn Féin! I don’t need to nail my colours to the mast, particularly on threads like this, I don’t force my political affiliations onto anyone! As for your schooling of myself, do you honestly believe that anyone could constructively learn anything from your feeble attempt on a thread like this! Grow up and change your picture profile and try using your real name and not the idiotic one as above, I’d have more respect for your opinions then!Slán chara!
Google fecking Google you attack my argument with Google you sad fool .This is what we are fighting against and you come back to me will Google, idiot , fool
My real name is Kevin Walsh Google that one wee man
It’s called fact-checking, if you make a claim you should ensure that you have verified the facts beforehand. Especially if you’re going to use that claim to try and berate someone else.
If you cannot even use the most accessible of search engines to do a basic search of the facts you’re looking to use, it says a lot about your argument.
It’s to late Mr. anonymous (Orange Head/Limited Edition/Kevin Walsh?), you’ve been proving your true idiotic self with your incoherent ramblings on previous posts, so best just to let you stew in your own stupidity! Lol…. By the way, thanks again, for making me laugh….. you’ve certainly brought a smile to my face!
It’s call lazy researching for teenagers you idiot grow up . Who controls Google ?? You idiot sometime I despair at the stupidity of people please let’s leave the argument there I can’t be bothered arguing with someone who uses Google for thir data
Again attack me and not my argument sad very sad
So a British journalist says on the British Broadcasting Company that Britain has won the war…. shock horror! !!!
Bottom line is that the partition of Ireland is a gerrymander… some of the majority in Ireland forced into faux statelet and then told they were suddenly a minority… It is therefore unsustainable. Ireland will reunify, sadly it might not be significant as the entire world becomes a garbage dumb.
Bernadette Devlin said it well when asked about the current phase of the struggle, ‘the war is over and the good guys lost’.
Just wait, it’s on the horizon, but please eliminate the southern banana republic office holders to give everyone in the 6 some confidence in the rest of their people. When I say people, I mean Orange, Green, Pole and Nigerian et al, all of us… together.
an island for the people instead of a labeled system for citizens
Congratulations Britain, you’ve just won a lifetime supply of an uneconomically viable vanity project!
The people of Northern Ireland won, they now have peace…
its not over yet..!
War such as WW2 or Vietnam were actually in the minority as they had one side that gained utter and complete victory. The losing regime in both cases were completely eradicated. Most wars however end in less straight forward arrangements; one side may gain more territory or a favourable treaty but seldom would they achieve all their objectives. This is how the conflict in the north ended. You may argue that the British ‘won’, but it certainly was not a decisive victory. The subsequent arrangement was a compromise with the Republicans gaining a great deal of power and influence post-conflict.
There was winners and losers on both sides and too much blood tears and regret . Thank god for peace and dialogue . The cause of the conflict are very rooted and I certainly am not going to lecture anyone I repeat well done to all for peace. Let’s keep it and build on it
Yes the bits won the RA gave up the guns while we still have crown forces on irish soil , but they were sold out by the traitors in SF , all planned of course the omagh bomb was Ireland 9 11 so in the face of public opinion the gins were handed in .This plan was laid by men a lot smarter than SF FF FG. crown 1 paddy 0
Limited brain cells more like!
Ok Naill , a few points you need to get around your wee skull , I am going to list them so I make it simple for ye
1. RTE/BBC/UTV/CNN/FOX/SKY /TNA G are not I repeat not good sources of information.
2. The omagh bomb was Irelands 9/11 it was carried out by idiots who were played by MI6 and G2 ?(that’s the states version of MI6 for boy like you who don’t know ) a warning was phoned in to clear the street, that was ignored ,why??
3. MI6 and G2 wanted that bomb to go off killing civilians why??
4. SF pressured the army council to give up the guns , the army council didn’t want to give up anything however that MI6 traitor Adams who works for the crown brokered the deal and got make a baron or something for his efforts
5. This was touched upon in the Frank Mc Bearty Trail that’s why no Garda was found guilty of anything and everyone got pensions.
6. Nothing has changed except we have a false peace which is better than none, however as we speak British troops are training in the Derry mountains, and crown forces are still in Ireland
7. No peace was won the IRA were defeated from within the same as 1916.
8. The northern bank robbery was to pacify the grass roots members to keep the peace; they and the values of republicans’ were bought off with money.
These are all facts however you won’t hear his on the tele were I’m afraid armchair provos like you spend most of your time , now wake up , research , and spread the truth , I have given you a start you must run with it and forget this romantic version of history
The warning for the Omagh bombing was not ignored, in fact it was taken very seriously. The warnings were unclear and the wrong area was evacuated, leading people in the direction of where the bomb was actually placed. If you can’t even get that basic fact right…
Lol….. You’re a limited edition alright, a complete PRATT and that’s me being exceptionally nice, particularly to the likes of yourself who hide behind false (childish) names and ridicule other posters opinions! You’ve made a number of points in your spewed response to my previous posts (must of touched a nerve) but I respect your right to voice your opinion (that’s if you thought it all up by your good self), now, why don’t you respect my right not to massage your little, immature ego by going through each of your well researched points! Lol…… have a nice day Mr. Orange, you’ve made me laugh if anything! Go raibh mile maith agat!
Is that right Jason ? We’re did you hear that RTE/BBC or did you read the report into the bombing .Have you ever wondered why the people of Omagh were denied a public inquiry ? If the states version is without flaws why no public inquiry .why we’re the trials held behind closed doors and no jury and don’t give me it’s the special criminal court .Still to Google and RTE and stay asleep
Don’t be nice to me wee lad I’m a big boy and have taken more than you have to throw the facts are the facts your just another arm chair warrior who shouts at the TV calling foul .The facts are the facts you can’t see them because you head is stuck in Rte bullshit .Look go back to water charges it’s all your good for and that’s going well for you lol
By the way you already pay for water but if you don’t want to pay just don’t consent , there a wee bit of free advice from an old campaigner
Listen Mr. anonymous (Orange Head/Limited Edition), you don’t know me, in fact, you don’t seem to know much about anything! Anyway, you’re right on one thing, I do have other things to get on with, and as I stated previously, it’s not to entertain your idiotic, incoherent, immature postings! Lol….. have a nice day chara!
I’m not you friend , but I would like you research what I have said and then maybe we could be friends, my postings are not imature you insult me and not the argument .I’m not a loyalist nor am I a shinner .I speak the truth and you would do well to look into what I say and then call me out
@Limited Edition, While I respect your opinion, your argument doesn’t hold together. You base your arguments on unprovable assertions.
Full of typos
The war is over, and Brussels won.
Well said man well said
The last member of my family to be in the IRA was in 1922 in Derry so big Peters remarks can’t really offend me.
This article reads like it was written by an eight year old.
I am confused, I thought we all were ‘British’ regardless of what religion we were or what our heritage is?
For most Catholics all they cared about was civil rights which was won, the IRA didn’t represent every single Irish Gael in Northern Ireland.
The term was The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. We were and are Irish.
I really don’t think you can say Britain won the war. It reached a negotiated settlement and, unlike Scotland, it would give Northern Ireland away tomorrow, or pay for someone to take it, if it possibly could. The unionists know this fine well.
Britain said in the early Nineties they had no strategic interest in the North. That’s hardly a vote of confidence and it’s hardly a victory for Britain. Something will emerge in the generations to come. Hopefully for the better. But the Republicans and loyalist carried out many shameful, barbaric deeds;
A united Ireland will only happen when the 26 counties takes the leadership role for the good of all , committing to a federation,dynamic and competitive!,
Never ever has any side won a War millions are killed on all sides families torn apart peopled divided some times for ever There is a old saying There is no Money to be made during Peace and this rings true
Now lets see who is winning the other wars around the world
Israel V Palestine’s (Gaza )
Russia v Ukraine
Islam V Rest of the world
Taliban V Rest of world
have your say