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Welcome to Budget day on TheJournal.ie.
Today we’ll bring you all the announcements from Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin, as well as crunching the numbers on what it means for everybody’s hip pockets.
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Is it an omen? It was a seriously icy start to Budget day 2016 this morning and temperatures aren’t expected to top 14 degrees as the day goes on. At least it’s unlikely to rain on the Noonan-Howlin parade…
It’s Peter Bodkin in the chair for the lead-up to today’s main game ahead of Michael Noonan taking centre stage at around 2pm.
We’ll be looking at what’s expected in this year’s Budget, bring you all the announcements as they come to hand and then pull apart the figures to work out what they mean to you.
The customary drip-feed of Budget leaks has already given us the shape of what to expect in this year’s announcement. Here’s a quick recap of what we (think we) know so far:
So the tax on cigarettes is probably going up, as it does almost every Budget, and another excise increase on booze has been mooted. But what else would you stick a tax on?
Dublin radio station Spin 1038 has been inviting readers to come up with their own ideas and there are a few solid suggestions rolling in:
Jennifer Stevens / TwitterOn budget day here are the #thingsidtax
— Jennifer Stevens (@JennifStevens) October 13, 2015
Flesh colour tights with a sheen, people who don't understand roundabouts, crappy hotel hairdryers
Our reporter Daragh Brophy is on the scene near Leinster House, where gardaí are already getting ready for some action on the streets later in the day.
Daragh Brophy / TwitterGarda barriers in place ahead of expected Budget Day protests. pic.twitter.com/O09J3XWnyb
— Daragh Brophy (@DaraghBroph) October 13, 2015
And those anticipated crowds are already starting to build. Well, sort of…
Daragh Brophy / TwitterTwo protesters here so far. pic.twitter.com/Jts55pzMNm
— Daragh Brophy (@DaraghBroph) October 13, 2015
For the punters out there who don’t enjoy hearing politicians talking deficits and fiscal responsibility, there’s TheJournal.ie’s Budget Bingo 2016.
You can download your cards here to ensure this year’s tax- and spend-fest isn’t an entirely craic-free zone.
We know the price of cigarettes is likely to jump a hefty 50c per pack after the Budget, but is the talk about tobacco taxes all smoke and mirrors?
Our Dan Mac Guill delved into the facts behind the spin to find out how much difference tobacco taxes really make to smoking rates – and whether they actually bring in the promised cash for the government.
What would you do if you were Michael Noonan or Brendan Howlin and you found yourself with a spare €1.5 billion to play with? Besides lighting cigars with €100 bills, of course. That’s the question we asked our readers with Ignite Research’s People’s Budget.
Out of more than 5,000 respondents, the vast majority wanted the razor taken to income taxes and the cash to be splurged on the country’s creaking health system, as well as education.
There was a strong response when we asked what the one thing you wanted to see in today’s Budget. No prizes for guessing that USC and income taxes featured prominently, while others favoured better services over an extra fiver in their pocket.
One reader, Peter, had plenty to say:
They have me feeling like I’m getting a birthday card with a few quid in it today I DON’T WANT IT. Spend it on getting people off trollies, crime & homelessness. Withdraw legal aid for anyone who has used it twice. Reduce politicians salaries by 35% & let them pay the majority of their expenses just like the rest of us, we would then see who is in it to change the world.”
While Trevor Beale was more succinct:
Stop penalising someone that gets up in the morning to go to work!”
Yes, it’s definitely that time of year again.
It’s being widely reported this morning that free GP care will be extended in the Budget to cover older children, although the upper age limit isn’t clear.
The Irish Times says the measure will cover all children under 12, while RTÉ claims free visits to the doctor will be limited to the under-11s.
Our political editor, Hugh O’Connell, reports that it’s strangely quiet around Leinster House as it approaches midday given “the day that’s in it”. The number of protesters on hand has swelled by 50% though in the past hour. Here’s the view from the front line:
The car park on the Kildare Street side is mostly empty, with TDs and Senators still travelling up from the country this morning. RTÉ has set up its outside broadcast facilities in the portico leading into LH2000, the newer part of the Oireachtas complex. Outside the gates, the barriers are up and the gardaí are stationed but there was a grand total of three protesters there when we passed it a short time ago.”
TheJournal Politics / TwitterAll quiet outside Leinster House. So far #budget16 pic.twitter.com/ZaTGgRVS7U
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 13, 2015
It looks like this year’s Budget is going to sit somewhere between an election-buying “splurge” and a “marginal giveaway”, based on a quick international whip around in advance of the announcement.
The Financial Times’ Vincent Boland reports Noonan is expected to “add fuel to the fire” of a growing economy with the expected €1.5 billion stimulus:
As the feelgood factor becomes more obvious and with an election due by the spring, there is arguably nothing the government needs to do as it prepares to go to the polls.”
Over at the Guardian, Henry McDonald writes that “prime minister” Enda Kenny’s government is “widely expected to introduce the first marginal giveaway budget since the crash”.
Meanwhile, Bloomberg’s Joe Brennan reports Noonan will “fire the starting gun in the nation’s election campaign as he unveils the biggest budget giveaway since the Celtic Tiger era ended”.
Premier Enda Kenny’s government has won kudos from German Chancellor Angela Merkel to President Barack Obama for leading the nation out of its worst recession on record, bringing the public finances under control and falling bond yields. With voters largely unimpressed, his coalition is set to further stoke the fastest-growing economy in the euro region even as Kenny promises prudence.”
Not much on the Twitter machine today from Ireland’s political leaders as the Budget storm clouds continue to gather. Even Sinn Féin’s social media-loving leader has been remarkably quiet since last night.
Gerry Adams / TwitterI hardly tweeted at all 2day. Just saying. Oiche mhaithxozzzzzxo
— Gerry Adams (@GerryAdamsSF) October 12, 2015
This in the comments from Frainc Ó Broin: “One extra bag of chips per year for me, a giveaway budget indeed!” But will it be Tayto or Hunky Dorys for you Frainc?
Thanks to the pre-Budget leaks we already knew an increase in the minimum wage was on the way, but further confirmation coming in with a “signing ceremony/photocall” to be held after the speeches are all done.
We know plenty about what WILL be in the Budget, but earlier this week Daragh Brophy had a look at a few things that definitely WON’T be there when he flashed back to Brian Cowen’s boom-time speech from a decade ago.
Billion-euro increases to welfare, €1,000 payouts for children under 6 and a huge pledge to take minimum wage workers out of the tax net altogether. Sure, what could possibly go wrong?
It appears the Fine Gael-Labour coalition is at odds about Alan Kelly’s plan to introduce rent controls (sorry Alan, “rent certainty”) as part of the Budget. The move has been flagged for months as accommodation prices, particularly in Dublin, continue to lose the run of themselves.
Newstalk Lunchtime / TwitterOn air now: Shane Coleman on #budget16 "The government parties can't agree on rent control. That will be a big sticking point"
— Lunchtime Live (@LunchtimeLiveNT) October 13, 2015
More from Hugh O’Connell on the mood in Leinster House, where one cabinet minister claimed it was a “terrific” Budget:
They’ve got almost everything they asked for and they were visibly delighted that the government is at last in a position to deliver something back to taxpayers. There’s definitely an optimism among government members this year compared to the fraught budgets of previous years where backbenchers in particular have grappled with their conscience, some deciding to defy their party, others deciding to suck it up and vote with the government.”
A few more highlights of what we can expect in just over an hour, aside from the headline cuts to USC and increases to some welfare benefits:
In non-Budget news, former Anglo CEO David Drumm will face 33 charges including forgery and conspiracy to defraud if he’s successfully extradited from the US to Ireland. Here’s a copy of the arrest warrant, which describes him as a “fugitive from foreign country”.
And this in from Waterford Whispers. We know how you feel Michael.
WWN / TwitterWWN #Budget16: Min. for Finance confirmed to WWN earlier today that he always fells 'like a fucking rockstar on budget days'.
— WWN (@WhispersNewsLTD) October 13, 2015
Peter is off to have some well-deserved grub so Sinéad O’Carroll here taking over for the last 30 minutes of speculation, guesswork and waiting.
Chat in the office right now while listening to Mary Lou McDonald on RTÉ Radio One:
Imagine if they abolished water charges.
Much of the commentary about today is how it will be a giveaway budget. And, it’s obviously harder to keep ‘good news’ under wraps while looking for votes.
All these leaks makes Budget Day a little less exciting for some, like Annie West above. It’s kind of like finding the Santa presents early, right? We don’t think there are any surprises left. Unless there is still a lump of coal hiding for us somewhere.
The Irish Independent is reporting that the recruitment of 600 new gardaí will be announced later.
After a terrible weekend for the force, it was almost too soon for the GRA to focus on low garda numbers and rural station closures but that will most likely be a welcome piece of news for morale.
Initial reaction from a GP about the extension of the free GP care scheme to children up to the age of 11 or 12… and it’s not positive:
Amy Morgan / TwitterSo even the IMO weren't made aware of the extension of the free GP care scheme. This cloak & daggers approach to health policy MUST change.
— Amy Morgan (@amymorgangp) October 13, 2015
Amy Morgan / TwitterUnless the Government are only concerned with populist health policies, carry on, there'll be no GP's left to implement them #budget16
— Amy Morgan (@amymorgangp) October 13, 2015
Another tidbit from Hugh O’Connell in Leinster House:
One mischievous Labour TD says the Budget is so good that his former colleague Colm Keaveney, now of Fianna Fáil, is planning to rejoin Labour. We doubt Keaveney would look at it that way.
Our roving reporter Daragh Brophy was in Buswells this morning, the hotel located just opposite Leinster House to find out what being the unofficial hub of Irish politics means for its owners and management.
Budget Day though is often easier than protest days, as general manager Paul Gallagher revealed:
Another day, there was a demonstration against the removal of horses from county council lands out on the northside. They all came in with their Piebald ponies and things and hooked them all up to the fence outside. Some of them got scared, and the fence disappeared.
He has even been pelted with eggs himself, he points out. “So it’s an interesting hotel. I was standing in front of a guy I didn’t realise was behind me. They weren’t aiming at me. You have to be careful who’s behind you in this world.”
The final countdown…
The photocall is underway with Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin.
Howlin, unsurprisingly, in the red of Labour (tie wise), while the Finance Minister has gone for a grey/silver option*.
Dept of Finance IRL / TwitterMinister Noonan at the pre-Budget photocall with Minister Howlin.Minister Noonan will begin speaking at 2pm #Budget16 pic.twitter.com/ktl5wwvoZr
— Department of Finance (@IRLDeptFinance) October 13, 2015
*Someone in the office suggested it was champagne-coloured but that would be too Bertie for Noonan, we feel.
And the latest from Leinster House, where the lads are looking THRILLED with themselves.
The Budget documentation has arrived in Leinster House ready to be distributed to TDs, Senators and, of course, us journalists. Outside our office is a Department of Finance official nervously guarding the documentation until he can distribute it as soon as Michael Noonan takes to his feet.
Before the business of the Budget gets underway, the Taoiseach is expressing his sympathies and extending his prayers to the Lynch and Connors families, particularly the two children orphaned in the catastrophic fire in Carrickmines on Saturday.
Enda Kenny also speaks of the heinous crime which saw Garda Tony Golden lose his life in the line of duty on Sunday evening in county Louth.
Tánaiste Joan Burton also calls the weekend “horrific and desperate”, adding that the events in Omeath and Carrickmines were even more tragic because of the backdrop of what should have been a celebratory weekend for Ireland, with reference to sporting events.
This would be one way to win votes.
WWN / TwitterWWN #Budget16: free tickets to this year's Late Late Toy Show was on the cards, but Government decided against it.
— WWN (@WhispersNewsLTD) October 13, 2015
Following the Taoiseach’s words, Micheál Martin also mentions Garda Tony Golden’s GAA career with Stephenites in Ballina.
He commends him for his bravery and valour, noting that his last act was to help a vulnerable in the line of duty.
Gerry Adams also stands to pay his respects to the communities “numb with shock and disbelief” after the weekend’s events.
He names each of the victims of the Carrickmines fire and expressed condolences to the entire Traveller community.
“That solidarity has to be extended beyond rhetoric,” he adds, asking government to prioritise living accommodation for Travellers. He also mentions the homeless man who died in Dublin’s city centre on Sunday morning.
“He is a hero,” Adams says of Garda Tony Golden.
He also has strong words about the shooter, known dissident Adrian Mackin who also took his own life in the shooting incident.
Four years ago, so-called dissidents killed PSNI’s Ronan Kerr. His mother said we all need to stand up and be counted. We don’t want to go back to the dark days of fear and terror. She was right four years ago and she is right again today.
“These groups have nothing to offer society,” he added. “These people are the enemies of Republicanism and the peace process.”
However, there are some grumblings in the Chamber as the Sinn Féin president brings up the issue of alleged political policing among the PSNI and gardaí. He responds saying that these are questions for another day.
A sombre moment…
A minute’s silence is now underway in the Dáil as politicians rise to the feet to pay their respects to the 10 people who died in Carrickmines on Saturday and to Garda Tony Golden who was killed on Sunday.
“May they rest in peace,” An Ceann Comhairle Seán Barrett concludes.
About 30 minutes later than scheduled, Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has been called…
And Finance Minister Michael Noonan is on his feet to begin the Budget speech, getting a bit literary with his references to the 1916 Rising as he talks up the economic recovery since the government took office.
Peter Bodkin back in the driver’s seat here from Sinéad O’Carroll to take you through the Budget paces.
“Fastest-growing economy in Europe” – was that one on your Budget Bingo 2016 picks? Noonan got it out of the way early, setting out the Finance Department’s forecast of 4.3% economic growth in 2016.
“The economy has recovered all the output lost during the crisis,” the Finance Minister says, with an extra 43,000 jobs expected this year.
Want to keep track of all the major Budget announcements in one place? Cianan Brennan is compiling the information you need almost as soon as it emerges from the ministers’ mouths.
Click here for everything you need to know from the Budget speeches.
And there we have mention of the end of boom to bust policies, that old chestnut.
Muireann O'Dwyer / Twittertuned in just in time for the end to boom and bust #budget16 oh dear.
— Muireann O'Dwyer (@Mergito) October 13, 2015
Noonan says Ireland’s national debt is expected to fall to just under 93% of GDP by end of 2016, below the European average.
Noonan says this Budget will include €750 million in “revenue relieving measures”, a cost partially offset by a single revenue-raising measure.
That would be the heralded 50c excise increase on a pack of 20 cigarettes, effective from midnight tonight. ”This is the only tax increase in this Budget,” Noonan adds.
Gavan Reilly / TwitterCigarette increase will be the only tax increase in #budget16, says Noonan. Your fizzy drinks are safe
— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) October 13, 2015
And there’s the headline announcement, the expected cuts to USC.
The bottom rate of 1.5% will be reduced to 1%, the second rate from 3.5% to 3% and the next from 7% to 5.5%, while the bands at which they kick in will also be tweaked slightly.
Noonan said it was the first time since April 2009 the top marginal tax rate would be brought under 50% and it was expected some 700,000 income-earners would be outside the USC net altogether.
The tweaks to the tax brackets will mean a single-income family on €35,000 will take home an extra €57 a month, while those working full-time on minimum wage will have an extra €708 per year.
The inheritance tax threshold will also be raised from €225,000 to €280,000.
So wins all around for families, minimum-wage workers… and people inheriting money.
Noonan moves on to the tax perks for businesses, adding he has been consulting with the SME and startup sectors.
One will be a “new earned income tax credit” to the value of €550 for self-employed workers who didn’t have access to the PAYE tax credit and therefore paid significantly higher rates of tax.
“I see this measure as a first step and future steps will be made in future budgets as resources permit,” Noonan says, adding it would benefit small businesses, farmers and tradespeople.
Other business-friendly measures include a cut in the rate of Capital Gains Tax, down from 33% to 20% to a limit of €1 million on business assets that were sold.
The government is also extending three-year tax relief for startups for another three years until end of 2018, while the discount 9% VAT rate for the hospitality sector will also stay… for now.
Noonan notes the case for retaining the benefit in the booming Dublin hotel sector “is diminishing each year”.
Fidelma Healy Eames / TwitterGlad to see new rate of 20% CGT for businesses and the retention of 9% vat in tourism sector. #Budget16
— Dr. Fidelma Healy Eames (@fidelma4Europe) October 13, 2015
Shouting and interruptions in the chamber as Noonan announces bad bank Nama will build 20,000 units by the end of 2020.
“Have you got a problem?,” the Finance Minister asks his opponents. They might have to finish this one behind the sheds at break.
The Institute of Technology, Sligo’s Students’ Union finding ways to enjoy themselves during the Budget speech here.
Public Expenditure Minister Brendan Howlin on his feet now as Noonan departs to applause from his government stablemates – and jeers from the opposition benches.
TheJournal.ie / Twitter"Would you ever stay quiet and cut out the comedian stuff," says the Ceann Comhairle to the Opposition TDs. #budget16
— TheJournal.ie (@thejournal_ie) October 13, 2015
“The days of spending cuts are behind us,” Howlin says as he launches into the rhetoric, paying tribute to “the resilience of the Irish people”.
Howlin launches into a spiel about the ”unnecessary and cruel” cut of €1 per hour to the minimum wage under the previous government.
That’s the lead-in for him to announce the introduction of the predicted 50c increase in the rate, as recommended by the Low Pay Commission. So from January 1, the minimum wage will stand at €9.15 per hour.
So a bit of a recap as Howlin continues his spiel about the government’s spending plans. We had:
Howlin making the pitch to “hard-working parents” now, first off the block: childcare.
Free childcare will be available to children from the age of 3 up to 5 1/2, or whenever they toddle off to primary school.
Child benefit will also be raised €5 to €140 per month thanks to the government’s ”success in reducing unemployment”, Howlin says.
The government will also recognise the ”role of fathers in the household”, with dads getting two weeks of paternity leave from September next year.
And the next piece in the voter pitch, the extension of free GP care to cover all children under 12.
Although Howlin attaches a caveat to that plan – it’s ”subject to successful negotiation with the doctors’ representatives”. Hmmm…
This marks the next phase in the implementation of Universal GP care,” the minister goes on.
In case you missed it, here’s a recap of the Finance Minister’s “have you got a problem?” moment from earlier. You can take the boy out of Limerick…
More spending plans from Howlin: 600 extra gardaí will be recruited next year, while €414 million will be allocated to social housing.
However the minister has raised a few eyebrows with his priorities, allocating €17 million to emergency accommodation for the homeless, compared to €50 million for “extensive range of events” to mark the centenary of the 1916 Rising.
keith bohanna / TwitterWhile emergency housing allocation is €17M. Priorities arseways #budget16 https://t.co/N7syoKuVQt
— keith bohanna (@keithbohanna) October 13, 2015
Howlin winds up with a few jibes aimed at the left-wing elements of the Dáil as he talks up the government’s emergence from the depths of the bailout.
“Who speaks of Syriza now?,” he says amid much jeering from rival TDs.
Fianna Fáil’s finance spokesman, Michael McGrath, on his feet now and he starts with a well-rehearsed one liner:
This budget is the final roll of the dice from a government that has run out of ideas and is about to run out of road.”
He highlights the 1,500 children sleeping in emergency accommodation and 500,000 on hospital waiting lists as among the government’s failings.
I could go on and I regret that I see nothing about his budget that will make a real difference to these people.”
That’s Peter signing off, for now. Sinéad O’Carroll taking over again as TDs on the Opposition benches get their chance to highlight what is wrong with today’s Budget.
McGrath continues… telling Brendan Howlin that his comments in relation to housing and accommodation were “nothing short of pathetic”.
In a speech highly critical of today’s “self-congratulatory” announcements, he says Ireland remains vulnerable because of the lack of stability in the global economy.
As McGrath continues his criticism, let’s have a quick recap of the main points from today’s announcements:
The reaction is pouring in.
Despite it being a so-called ‘giveaway’ budget, there is one group of people disappointed. Those under the age of 25 without jobs saw their social welfare cut during the recession. It currently stands at €100 per week and will not be changed in Budget 2016.
The National Youth Council of Ireland says its proposals would have ”supported young people on live register to move into education, training and work experience”.
NYCI / TwitterWe are very disappointed with the budget for the 40,000 young jobseekers-no movement at all to reverse savage cuts #budget16
— NYCI (@nycinews) October 13, 2015
The Opposition parties are all focussing on homelessness, criticising Howlin and Noonan for not doing enough to ease the current crisis.
From the SocDems Twitter account:
Social Democrats / Twitter€50m for events on commemorations - v €17m on homelessness...how would the signatories feel about that? #Budget16
— Social Democrats (@SocDems) October 13, 2015
“Splash the cash…”
Fianna Fáil’s Seán Fleming says that the government is mismanaging the State’s income because it always has extra money in the last two months of the year.
He also asks if today’s extra expenditure is a way to “buy the general election”?
Then, inevitably, he begins to crunch the homeless numbers. He says that it was quite the achievement that Fianna Fáil turned a housing surplus to a housing shortage.
Modular homes could turn parts of the city into trailer parks, according to Fleming.
TheJournal.ie / TwitterFunding for 500 modular homes to tackle homelessness #Budget16
— TheJournal.ie (@thejournal_ie) October 13, 2015
We’ve heard a lot about modular housing in recent weeks. What does it mean?
About 150 factory-built houses (essentially, prefabs) are due to be ordered to help provide accommodation for Dublin’s homeless.
Fancy a bit of light reading? Here’s Michael Noonan’s speech in full…
And not to leave him out… here’s Brendan Howlin’s speech.
Back to the Dáil..
Fleming is having a real go over the disappearance of ministers who have all left the house to hold media briefings in their departments.
Are you gone canvassing? Are you got nervous again? Is Joan happy with her €3 increase?” he asks.
He says it is a sign of the contempt Fine Gael and Labour hold for the parliament.
Fleming wasn’t exaggerating about those empty seats, as you can see.
There’s Enda Kenny in the corner though…
TheJournal Politics / TwitterGovernment benches almost completely empty as opposition parties have their say on #budget16 pic.twitter.com/A8LMN010u3
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 13, 2015
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Try our Budget calculator to find out…
Sinn Féin’s Pearse Doherty now takes to his feet – it’s his turn to rip into the announcements made today.
“Along comes the boom, then followed by the bust,” he says, telling the government that its plans are not sustainable.
The Taoiseach is still facing him, but nobody else from Cabinet.
We should have included the 1916 heroes in our Budget Bingo. Doherty is not the first to ask if the men and women from the Easter Rising would be happy with what they see in Ireland today.
Was it for this…etc?
From next year, Irish schools will have 2,260 more teachers. That’ll be broken down as:
Do you earn about €20,000?
We’ve crunched the numbers for you – and this is how Budget 2016 will affect your pay packet.
The big one: Adjustments to USC mean an extra €172 a year, or €3.44 more a week.
The SocDems haven’t got a chance to talk in the Dáil yet, but they’re doing their best to rip the Budget to shreds on Twitter.
Social Democrats / TwitterThe prescription charge has not been touched #taxonsickpeople #Budget16 #SocDems
— Social Democrats (@SocDems) October 13, 2015
Social Democrats / TwitterGov give €3 a week to pensioners but don't restore the telephone allowance - so the money given with one hand goes out in other #budget16
— Social Democrats (@SocDems) October 13, 2015
Social Democrats / TwitterEven more astonishing is ZERO provision for Mental Health Services despite a youth suicide rate that's 2.5 times the EU average #budget16
— Social Democrats (@SocDems) October 13, 2015
Earlier, we weren’t *quite* sure what colour Michael Noonan’s tie was. We went for grey/silver/champagne but there were some shouts that it was brown.
What do you think?
As usual, Paddy Power took bets on what colour the Finance Minister would wear on his neck but even the experienced bookies couldn’t make out the hue.
So, they just paid everybody who placed a bet.
An interesting change … Ireland in 2016
Olivia Mitchell / TwitterGood to see the 'John and Mary' budget examples of a married couple are this year 'Claire and Michelle' pic.twitter.com/BhU69dTL8m
— Olivia Mitchell (@oliviamitchelo) October 13, 2015
Don’t want to read everything on Budget 2016? Our Nicky Ryan has you sorted.
TheJournal.ie / TwitterNeed to catch up on #Budget16? These are the main points http://t.co/MVuXcXjAif pic.twitter.com/KkuNOUtb1G
— TheJournal.ie (@thejournal_ie) October 13, 2015
Can’t see the video? Click here.
Pearse Doherty has dialled up the anger big time when talking about homelessness and income inequality in the Dáil.
He is calling strongly for a national emergency to be declared.
His ire is directly mostly at Labour, saying they have forgotten their roots and have become Fine Gael’s biggest champions.
“You have become more Fine Gael than Fine Gael themselves,” he tells Joan Burton.
Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald takes the stand now – and sticks to the party line that Fine Gael has a friend in the Tories in the UK and Angela Merkel in Germany.
A joint press release – Department of Health giving equal credit to Fine Gael’s Leo Varadkar and Labour’s Kathleen Lynch for “securing substantial increase in health budget”.
Election, anyone?
We’re already getting some international coverage – but it’s not positive. A headline on the New York Times today:
In their story, Douglas Dalby and Mark Scott write:
The Irish government, long criticized by other European countries and the United States for its friendly tax treatment of multinational giants like Apple and Google, on Tuesday announced a move that seemed likely to further incense its critics.
And we just can’t stop talking about that election, it seems.
Hugh O'Connell / TwitterInteresting: Former FG TD Denis Naughten, a possible post-election coalition ally, broadly welcomes #budget16 pic.twitter.com/5WW1Ca7vGU
— Hugh O'Connell (@oconnellhugh) October 13, 2015
Meanwhile, Mary Lou asks Enda to go to the polls. She says: “Joan will get over it.”
It’s now the turn of EVERYONE ELSE in the Dáil. They’ll all just get five minutes each – and they’re insisting on a clock.
Stephen Donnelly is up first… and, yes, the first thing on his agenda is housing.
He says that the tax cuts benefit the highest-earning homes. He believes the mistakes of the past are being repeated.
If you’re in and around the average industrial wage, this is what the government have decided for your income. Not surprisingly, it’s good news.
We told you how animated Pearse Doherty got earlier. Now see it for yourself.
That snippet from Brendan Howlin’s Budget speech is making waves internationally. From Bloomberg:
Paul Murphy / TwitterInspired and utterly unpredictable humdinger coming up at end. Oh you very smart and funny Labour ppl. #budget16 pic.twitter.com/GTC1KZIHnb
— Paul Murphy 🏳️⚧️ (@paulmurphy_TD) October 13, 2015
Ruth Coppinger calls the speaking time situation “ridiculous” as she tries to finish a sentence but the Ceann Comhairle insists she sit down and not to be selfish.
So as they mutter to themselves, Paul Murphy takes the stand to call today’s Budget Fine Gael’s fifth regressive budget.
For the average worker, he said, their extra €5 will go to pay their water charges (if they pay them).
Paul Murphy also takes issue with the ‘knowledge box’ which he insists is just another way to further reduce rates of corporation tax.
“The only beneficiaries are the multinationals,” he says.
Meanwhile, IDA Ireland is delighted with the development.
IDA Ireland / TwitterIreland introduces the world's first OECD-compliant knowledge development box (KDB) with rate of 6.25% pic.twitter.com/mvxP0WDMQO
— IDA Ireland (@IDAIRELAND) October 13, 2015
Clare Daly says today is an example of the disconnect between Leinster House and reality. She adds that it is an exercise in robbing from Peter to pay Paul.
“They thought you represented a different Ireland but you’ve turned out to be the same,” she told Labour and Fine Gael.
Are you a winner or loser today? Cliodhna Russell takes a look…
Clare Daly makes a point:
Those 700,000 people who no longer have to pay USC… what does that mean? They live on €13,000 or less a year.
“I am astounded at the unreality at what we are presented with today. There are few people who remember 1977. Fianna Fáil bought themselves back into government… this is exactly what is happening again,” Shane Ross begins his five minutes.
This is the beginning of the next artificial boom, tailored to various interest groups.
It is a budget for Fine Gael, he adds.
Mick Wallace sounds totally put out about the plan for Nama – the bad bank – to turn developer and build 20,000 housing units.
He pleads with the government to build social housing, saying that the private sector cannot solve the problem. Especially considering that private developers cannot compete with Nama or US vulture funds.
And we’re done.
Inspired by Spin 1038′s #ThingsIdTax hashtag, DailyEdge.ie has come up with some inventive ways that Ireland could have raised some income. Including:
The ‘crying laughing’ emoji…
And food that is served on anything other than on a plate or in a bowl…
Before we take our leave… here’s another quick recap of what went down today. You decide: foolish, giveaway budget or
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That’s all from the Liveblog. Thanks for joining us, leaving comments, sending tweets and keeping us company through that long day.
A special shout-out to Tayto for sending us an enormous amount of Tayto (obviously) to get us through the day. The office smells accordingly.
Some day, hopefully we’ll see the USC and the wine tax off. But for now, good night and good luck.
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Noonan and co buying votes today, still won’t get them back into power come election time…People don’t forget!!
so when ff, sf and all the other parties release there version of the budget are they Buying votes?
Ah so you’re voting for FF then? Good man…
Nope.
People don’t forget the opposition have plenty of hot air to buy your votes
I look forward to laughing at the same shinner response as always, very light on tangibles but hilarious all the same
“The major cuts in USC will be combined with the announcement that the deeply hated tax will be axed entirely by the end of 2020.”
Just in time for the next election.
Ive my bet on at work that Mary Louper will say ‘Shame on you’ eight times. Come on Mary Louper dont let me down
this country is a joke end of….
@Thomas Clarke:- Jaysus Dane you are out in force on this thread today. How many laptop’s do you own. Hopefully the economy will recover enough for you to actually give a driving lesson one of these days!!
The excitement is palpable. well done Enda today is your day :)
The ‘excrement’ -you’re welcome!
Bursting with pride as our finance minister reads out the budget. This is a great day for FG
Yes it is,Thomas-as most of them are landlords
Wow I never knew our national debt would be below the European average by the end of next year. Trojan work from FG
“Norway may have to tap its $856 billion sovereign wealth fund more than planned next year to cope with a rising number of people seeking asylum.”
How much will our lot claw back from us when the meeja are not watching?
its nearly “shame on you’ time from the shinners :D
What is this to cover up the past four years more people have left Ireland than in the 80′s and them putting up minimum wage to 9.15 is a joke wen everything else is going up the Irish people should make a stand
Thomas – I totally agree with you Trojan work from FG & Enda Kenny’s superb leardership in particular. He truly is a man for all seasons, and once he doesn’t lose the head, we can look forward to further sterling work in the near future.
Can’t wait to get my extra €5 per week knowing it’s only going to turn into €10 to be taken off me on increased excise duties!
Reduce motor tax and Carbon tax.
No pleasing some people.
If you got an extra €50 per week in a giveaway budget you’d be screaming that it’s a bribe.
An extra €5 per week is criticised for not being enough.
Stick your budget bribes where the sun don’t shine give us a general election instead
The Christmas bonus bugs me, I have to work all through Christmas and pay more than half my pay in tax to give a Christmas bonus to those who don’t work, while I get no bonus and pay yet more bills
I’d say this fg lb government have set a new record on the road closures around Leinster house. they obviously know they are hated they will have to buy a lot of votes today to stay in government
Barry giving you back your own money is not a ‘giveaway’.
Chris I understand your opinion but disabled, sick, elderly, carers are most deserving of this as there circumstances does not allow them the previlige of employment you and I have. I hope these most deserving people have a good Christmas this year.
The government should implement the policies of Syriza who were so strongly supported here by Sinn Fein and the left. No medicines, no money in the ATMs, chaos.
Nira they implemented the policies of FF/troika for the last 4 years, so they have form in using the policies of others. ; )
NIRA I’d say most people here would love to have been able to withdraw €60 a day as the where able to in Greece.
Dane Tyghe disappears and 2 new clowns posting the same bs appear.Shocking coincidence.
All politicians are a joke. The opposition saying it is an attempt to buy votes (which it is) and in the same breath the opposition will tell you how you’d be paying less tax under them…………………….and that’s not buying votes ??????????????
Anyone else concerned that this isn’t even a proper giveaway budget. FF actually had the money, FG are using borrowed money. Economy increased by apx 1.5bn and they are giving away 3bn.
its a great day to be irish :)
Colm, thanks for your party political broadcast on behalf of Sinn Fein.
Norman, change the record.
Tom take advice off a clown? I’ll pass. ; )
Tom Kelly get stuffed and troll somewhere elce
Norman, maybe you should take my advice. If you did maybe you wouldn’t be so negative and bitter.
Thats right colm if you don’t agree with someone insult and attack them.
That sounds just like sinn fein.
adams comments would make you want to vomit.
Tom Kelly when it comes to insults your right up there with the worst of them here. As for your SF comments I’ve never voted for them in my life and if for some reason I was ever to vote for them I won’t be seeking your approval have a nice day
Tom, again take the advice of a proven clown?I’ll pass. ; )
Cigs the only tax increase. Its party time folks :)
What about the pensioners getting 3 euros per week? Try paying rent, buying food, clothes, utilities, fuel, on 240 euros per week, one would want to stay home for the first 3 to 4 days every week to try & save a few euros, This shower of clowns haven’t got a clue, I think I speak for most of the pensioners & we definitely wont be voting for these gangsters again
That was a election budget nothing more nothing less. Not buying it for one minute. Time to get theses idiots out now.
Won’t hold my breath. Health needs sorting and money alone won’t fix it. This government haven’t the b,lls to sort it. Disabilities services is another one. Since they cut the same amount they gave away in the water bribe. It’s another one way down the priority list.
go on, do us a favor………..hold your breath :)
Shinners all flat out peddling doom and gloom its absolutely hilarious :D
Thomas you deluded fool. Where you think the support fg enjoyed when they took the last election went? That’s right people like me. So you keep throwing out your childish insults bit like tom above. My guess is its same person.
seriously cant stop laughing at you guys today. its absolutely hilarious watching you squirm :D
Comments from these FG-heads represent perfectly FGs attitude to the general voting population – smug, arrogant, and condescending. And with each one I read, the less likely it is that I will ever put a number beside a FG candidate for the rest of my life. I’m sure I’m not the only one.
So keep it up, Thomas, you’re doing the opposition a huge favour.
You’re sad thomas, its more than obvious this is another account, nearly in double figures at this stage.
Thanks Chris for your support. The journal comment section is where prospective SF transfer go to die. Reading any of the comments by the shinnerbots and its hard see why. Read any of their vile attacks on posters and its easy to see. It really is magical just handing them rope as they busily hang themselves. Middle ireland is always watching :D
Oh, I forgot to add “deluded” to that list…
you must be livid to see the irish people delighted with this budget :D
‘you must be livid to see the irish people delighted with this budget’ Dane I know you’re a deluded moron but you only speak for yourself not the Irish people. ; )
Its a great budget inst it norman :)
A thief returning your possessions is to be praised?
Just remember folks, the best chance of holding onto the crumbs that are thrown at us today is to remove these sleveens from power before they get the chance to take it back in the next budget.
Ahaha, Shinners are overly worried today.
Shinners are going to cut tax, abolish water charges, etc etc etc but they are not buying votes, no they have pearse working it all out & Gerry who can’t even do basic maths
the shinners are terrified and they are right to be. How much are you set to benefit FC thanks to FG policies?
Thomas you mean the policies of FF/troika. ; )
USC 7% rate cut to 5.5%, lower rates down by 0.5% each. Entry thresholds increase
Tax credit for the self-employed worth around €500 next year
Home carers credit up from €800 to €1,000
Free GP care scheme to be extended to children under-12
Inheritance tax threshold increases to €280,000
Capital gains tax for self employed drops from 33% to 20%
Old Age Pension up €3 per week
Fuel Allowance up €2.50 per week
75% of Christmas bonus to be restored
Child benefit up by €5 per week
Pack of cigarettes up 50c
And No agreement on Rent controls or even how to proceed in the first place.
Child benefit up by €5 a week?
according to the IT Norman. I can;t link it for some reason but it’s front page.
Sgt so €20+ extra a month child benefit, even the times can be wrong.
I copied and pasted it directly as is, so it’s likely wrong on their behalf alright.
The big story is the lack of any agreement on housing or rent though. The Indo are running with that one.
Sgt read that story about rent, vested interests always win.
Capital gains is a big reduction. Lots of people will sell up and avail of that I’d say.
The Child Benefit goin up €5 is tat not the monthly children’s allowance so it’s €5 a month from €135 ton €140 an not on the lone parents of €220 a week? Or has tat increased too also by €5??
give with one hand, take away with the other.
What’s been taken exactly?
Please sir.
Can I have some more.
The great electorate purchase attempt begins.
What about increasing tax on these big international companies that have their headquarters in Ireland? Or have we all come to the realisation that they are only here for the tax haven status and lose corporation laws….
you mean the ones that would leave when you do that ?
They forget we are also an English speaking country in the eurozone, something the rest of Europe don’t have. But the scaremongering is , but they will leave.
if you think multi nationals set up in a country based on it’s language then I suppose you do fit well into SF
Tom time to learn and read. Obviously something your not too good at. I ssaid speaking English in the eurozone is also something we have. Nothing about coming here just for the language.
little one your stupidity is actually amusing
Thomas anyone ever tell you writing style is exactly the same as ‘james connelly ‘ ?.Funny that.
Like James Connelly the 1916 dude? They really were revolutionaries if they had computers and internet access in 1916 :D
No, lower case ‘james connelly ‘ one of the clowns Dane Tyghe ‘s multiple accounts.Just like the one you are now using Dane. How’s the driving school business? busy?
Same old trolls out and about today. Must of had there old accounts band yesterday. Dane /James.
No Thomas Clarke, stupidity is when you reply from a different account. Now that’s real up there in the stupidity ranks
The USA and UK are under growing pressure to stop companies funneling money through Ireland, this pressure is now on ireland. Ireland has already committed to closing the ‘double Irish’ loophole by 2021.
Facebook paid just over £4000 in corp. tax in the UK last year by using Irish tax avoidance techniques, all it takes is a uk government to introduce legislation to prevent this from happening – something a Corbyn gov would be happy to do. The power is not in Ireland, its wherever the facebook/google type companies make the most money.
And to the ‘We speak English’ argument, the Netherlands and neighboring countries have upwards of 85-90% fluent english speaking populations these days.
Duckface tax!!
A giveaway propaganda budget using borrowed money. Brave stuff from our visionary government. Did they learn nothing?
It’s like Christmas morning waiting to see what goodies we all get! Actually looking forward to a positive budget at last after all our hard work and sacrifices.
you wont have to worry about spending it with the stealth taxes sneaking in to counter any direct tax cuts.
on the €10+ euro a week rises you will see after the budget, bus fares, energy costs, etc, etc etc.
@Ceannaire:- Ah Dane, it doesn’t matter how many new profiles you make, you peddle the same tired, desperate message each and every time. People see through it for what it is, puerile progoganda!!
“It’s like Christmas morning waiting to see what goodies we all get!”
I don’t know what sort of p!ss poor Christmases you had. Actually Dane that would explain quiet a lot.
if you worked David , you would get more
Wonder how many times Noonan utters “certainty and clarity”..let the brainwashing begin
What a vulgar little political system we have. It should be illegal to make budgets before elections.
I’m just happy they’ve Drumm arrested
one extra bag of chips per year for me, a giveaway budget indeed!
So tax breaks for developers and multinationals while the poor, homeless and women can fcuck right off, you’re getting none of the goodies. Not surprised in the slightest
Ceannaire….if you’re the leader as you name suggests……does that make your other fake accounts, patjoejoe, james connolly, Diarmuid, Dane, billy wiggle, Thomas Clarke etc……your followers?
It must be sad to mentally remove your own posts talking to yourself and realise you’re in the minority as multiple personality disorders don’t count.
This budget will be like borrowing money from Peter to pay Paul. People spending money they didn’t have on things they couldn’t afford caused the crash in the first place. Now the lemmings in Merrion Square want to go down the same road.
#Herewegoagain
But Ireland offers special tax concessions to multinationals, these could be brought into line with Europe and taxed at European rates instead of being the tax haven of Europe.
The live blogs are annoying to read since the start is at the bottom you have to scroll all the way down and read up backwards?
Cutting the universal social charge wow!! They need too scrap it,wasn’t it only meant too be a temporey tax,and they need too stop robbing the property tax too
The surchage of 3% on individuals earning above €100,000 should be increased, not lowered.
Absolutely, we should tax them all to make absolutely sure they leave.
you obviously didn’t read the OECD reports on how low high income tax rates are when compared to other European countries.
These people don’t respect you, don’t fear you, don’t serve you. But they are trampling all over you, your children and our future. They need to go.
“Who speaks of Syriza now?”
Last time I checked, they were still part of the Greek government.
What’s he on about? Most of the first part of Noonan’s speech seemed to be financial forecasts for a quarter past two and one minute later!!!
If they had enshrined Irish water belongs to the people in the constitution they would be home and dry….. too bad.
Why are they laughing for, bloody gangsters the lot of them…
My goodness! SF/IRA and AAA hate good news – even before its announced!
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/318576-episode-max-keiser-822/
“They look at the cartels at the heart of each and every so-called “free trade” deal being forced upon previously sovereign nations in the global economy. In the second half, Max interviews Irish MEP Luke “Ming” Flanagan, about TTIP, TiSA, Brexit, the Troika, the Anglo-Irish bailout and a shillelagh stick.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_in_Services_Agreement
Bye bye HSE, An Post, Trains, Airports, Buses, etc etc…
“”The agreement covers about 70% of the global services economy. Its aim is privatizing the worldwide trade of services such as banking, healthcare and transport.”
€1400 a year better off, thanks government!
very happy , about time the working man got a few quid extra
3 Euros a week for pensioners… They put carbon tax of 2 euro on a bag of coal and 50 cents on briquettes last year.. Expect pensioners to burn down Dail after that insult !! More realistically FG and LAB have torpedoed the grey vote.. very clever. No real intellect with these boys antagonising the people who always vote in numbers..
Irish people have a huge sense of entitlement thats one reason I left 8 years ago. In other countries you get a lot less.
child benefit is your weekly money thats gone up 5€ not lone parents is that not enough do u need more? im on disabillity and i didnt get 1c count yourself lucky
Is Noonan telling Howlin to pull his finger???
We won’t be fooled by the gangsters and their lies. Kenny your time is up call the election now.
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