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Belgian bishop Guy Harpigny looks down during a media conference in Brussels today AP Photo/Yves Logghe

Catholic Church in Belgium wants priest sex abusers to pay victims

The church has said that priests who abused children will be required to pay damages to their victims.

BELGIUM’S CATHOLIC CHURCH announced today that priests and clergy who abused children will be required to pay damages, even when victims make their claims after the country’s statute of limitations has expired.

The church — in an overall response on how to deal with the abuse scandals that have enveloped it — urged victims to initially take their cases to civil authorities.

But it also said it was willing to impose penalties ranging from apologies to financial compensation, both for recent cases and for those so old they can no longer be brought to court. Over the past two years, more than 500 witnesses have come forward with accounts of molestation by Catholic clergy in Belgium, spanning several decades.

“If the culprit is still alive, he will certainly have to pay,” Bishop Guy Harpigny said in an interview with The Associated Press.

The culprits “may say civil authorities have told them the statute of limitations has expired, but we will say ‘you have to pay,’” Harpigny said. “They have committed evil. They are responsible and we will try to make them pay.”

He added that if individual priests were unable to pay, the church itself would compensate. The Belgian church, however, has not offered any figures regarding potential compensation.

The Vatican is the sole decider of whether to defrock priests.

In Belgian cases, however, Harpigny said in all instances of reports of serious pedophile cases being sent to Rome, the Vatican left the decision of leaving the priesthood to the pedophile priests themselves. So the options of the Belgian church have been limited.

If the guilty “no longer want to be priests, then we will say yes. (But) the priest has to ask’,” he said of the Vatican’s response.

For years, victims organizations have complained that church hierarchy had ignored their pleas and protected abusive priests by moving them from parish to parish instead of punishing them.

Prof. Manu Keirse, who helped the church write “Toward an overall approach of sexual abuse in the Church” in close cooperation with the bishops, said it was “not a good attitude to let everything depend on the priest.”

The Vatican was far too aloof and “infinitely slow,” he told the AP, moments after presenting the Belgian policy text with Harpigny.

“Do I really trust the policies of Rome?” Keirse asked. “No, in fact, I don’t. I have more trust in the intentions of the Belgian church.”

The Vatican has long been accused by abuse victims and bishops themselves of dragging its feet when it comes to dealing with pedophile priests: American bishops in the 1980s begged the Vatican to let them laicize pedophiles without cumbersome and time-consuming church trials, but Rome refused.

Irish bishops in the 1990s proposed reporting molester priests to police but the Vatican came back with a warning that doing so posed serious canonical problems.

Belgium’s abuse scandal broke two years ago when former bishop Roger Vangheluwe admitted to the sexual abuse of two nephews, including 13 years of abuse of one which started at age 5.

Vangheluwe said last year he had fully realized what he did was wrong, and often went to confession about it. The 75-year-old Vangheluwe resigned in 2010, just as the sex abuse scandal was spreading across Europe.

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    Mute Josephine Boles
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    Jan 12th 2012, 6:54 PM

    Any other organisation would have the angry mob at the door hounding them out if they were responsible for even a fraction of the hurt and pain that the catholic church has caused it victims and their families and yet people still flock to mass on a Sunday … Maybe I’m missing something but I just don’t get it.

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    Mute AlMar
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:02 PM

    Josephine: Most people go to Mass to worship Jesus Christ, not the priest or the bishop or the Pope.

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    Mute Dave McCarthy
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:44 PM

    Yep, this country is obsessed with praying to their imaginary friends

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    Mute vectorsector
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    Jan 12th 2012, 6:54 PM

    So the Vatican won’t allow a priest be reported to the police nor will they defrock one? I’ve heard it all now. It’s about time Vatican city got a wake up call and the head of state (pope) tried for crimes against humanity just like any other dictator and his regime. He deserves the same treatment Gaddafi got. Only difference being that Gaddafi hadn’t a penchant for little boys and girls.

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    Mute Carlin Ite
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    Jan 12th 2012, 5:57 PM

    Can they also it them in prison as rapists?

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    Mute Lamb
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    Jan 12th 2012, 7:35 PM

    Not if the statute of limitations has expired

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    Mute Cyril Butler
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    Jan 12th 2012, 7:05 PM

    Thats what happens when a champion of mind control is given free reign by sovereign States. Humans can be conditioned to believing and doing just about anything. Absolute free will is a delusion. The historic power of the Catholic Church across the world is just one of many examples of this.

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    Mute Dave McCarthy
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:47 PM

    The nonexistence of free will actually goes a bit further. We don’t have free will because everything that happens in our heads and by our bodies in general is according to the laws of physics.

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    Mute Cyril Butler
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    Jan 12th 2012, 11:50 PM

    Very true Dave.

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    Mute Emsy wemsy
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:24 PM

    Pay??? They should be sent to prison with all the other criminals! If someone murders another human being they don’t get a bill,they get locked up! Why does the church think it’s above our law?

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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:49 PM

    Well girl, It’s because they love their money so It’s a super duper punishment for those assholes

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    Mute AlMar
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:53 PM

    Yes, they should indeed be in prison if they are guilty.

    But these are cases which are so old that the State will not pursue them. It is because of the law of the land that they are not in prison.

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    Mute Emsy wemsy
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:56 PM

    Not good enough,you can’t put a price on the pain and suffering of children (or anyone) no matter how greedy you are. Dirty beasts. I’m so sick of them and all the hypocritical crap they spout. You can keep your faith without dealing with these animals and giving more money to the church too,I never understood how people can’t think it’s so cheeky of them to pass a basket around looking for money…..

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    Mute AlMar
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    Jan 12th 2012, 10:23 PM

    Emsy Wemsy: I don’t know what your point is. The fact is that when crimes are very old the State does not(and legally cannot) pursue them. It’s the same with every crime, not just abuse. That’s why there is no question of those priests going to prison.

    Do you think it’s wrong for compensation to be given to abuse victims?

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    Jan 12th 2012, 11:03 PM

    Almar
    I think there is no time limit on prosecuting for rape or murder

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    Mute Emsy wemsy
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    Jan 13th 2012, 9:22 AM

    Almar,after reading my last comment I can see how unclear my point is. What I mean is that giving out money is hardly giving the victims justice is it? There should be no time limit on receiving punishment for a violent and horrendous crime such as rape or more specifically the rape of children. They should also be removed from the priesthood. It just baffles me that they can name a price too though,how much would you expect your son or daughter to receive after being violated in such a way? I honestly think that I would feel extremely offended by their gesture if it was me or mine…..

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    Jan 13th 2012, 10:31 AM

    Emsy Wemsy – I agree with all of the above.

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    Mute Lamb
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    Jan 12th 2012, 7:38 PM

    The Vatican needs to take a leaf out of the Belgian churches book

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    Jan 12th 2012, 7:45 PM

    The vatican needs to take a leaf out of the bible…

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    Mute ap freely
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    Jan 12th 2012, 8:53 PM

    Excellent comment noddy

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    Jan 12th 2012, 8:58 PM

    Pay? With what? They receive just enough to live on, priesthood is not a career choice for the upwaqrdly mobile!! Foolish bishops again – nice soundbite – no substance.

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    Mute Josephine Boles
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    Jan 12th 2012, 11:24 PM

    @AlMar – you don’t have to walk
    Into a catholic church to worship Jesus Christ if this is your believe you can worship anywhere.

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    Mute Cyril Butler
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    Jan 12th 2012, 11:54 PM

    But just spare a thought for Zeus, Thor, Wotan and Mithra we wouldnt wish to make them jealous Josephine.

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    Jan 13th 2012, 9:28 AM

    Agree,if you have a faith in any of the gods and if god is everywhere and all knowing,then surely you can worship from the comfort of your own home. The church is merely a social gathering point. I don’t have a scrap of any type of religion in me so maybe I just don’t understand. God won’t listen if you don’t waste away the life he gave to you by sitting in a church and praying he doesn’t do something nasty to you……I’d prefer to not believe and actually live my life feeling good for doing good rather than being bribed with good stuff after I die in order for me to do good

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    Mute Dave McCarthy
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    Jan 12th 2012, 9:43 PM

    Damn, those fu*kers are in every country :-(

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    Mute Dan
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    Jan 12th 2012, 6:04 PM

    If the person makes a complaint after the statute of limitation has expired they cannot be charged with an offence.

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    Jan 13th 2012, 4:20 PM

    I am a Psychiatrist and a Survivor of clergy sex abuse. I know that survivors who have been betrayed in this fourfold way: physical, emotional, spiritual and sexual by religious authority figures are ‘shattered’.

    We served a life sentence of pain from our abuse. Even those of us who heal and forgive have ‘trigger times’ when it all comes flooding back.

    It is good that the Belgian bishops plan to offer restitution to the survivors. It is a beginning.

    Many survivors have lost thier faith. (imagine that!). I have written a book, ‘I Didn’t Fall, I Was Pushed: Triumphant Recovery from Clergy Sex Abuse’ (Amazon) which I released on Dec. 28, the Feast of the Holy Innocents. In it I hope to encourage other survivors, who wish to, to regain a connection with the Divine. This does not have to happen through ‘organized religion’. Thanks for reading this.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 2:28 AM

    Well said susan. Let us go back to where it all began and that is in the home and each others houses. I myself love JC through my own personel experiences but as is said in scripture let us all find our own way in the dark as it were. And know that there is the divine waiting to be discovered by anyone wishing to reach out and feel for it. It is not to be found in buildings or objects but in the very hearts of everyone of us and is simply called truth. Which im afraid is in short supply in the RC church. I wonder would they know truth if it hit them between the eyes. I think JC would throw them all out. he Would not put with the lies. Love and peace to you all x

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