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THOUSANDS DEMONSTRATED ACROSS the world today and violent clashes erupted in Niger and Pakistan as Muslims vented fury over a new Prophet Mohammed cartoon published by French magazine Charlie Hebdo.
Four people were killed and 45 injured in protests in Niger’s second city of Zinder that turned violent with demonstrators ransacking three churches and torching the French cultural centre.
A doctor in the city’s hospital told AFP that all of the dead and three of the injured had gunshot wounds. “We’ve never seen that in living memory in Zinder,” a local administration official said. “It’s a black Friday.”
There was also bloodshed in Karachi, Pakistan, where three people were injured when protesters clashed with police outside the French consulate, officials said.
Among them was an AFP photographer, who was shot in the back.
As Muslims raged, with protesters in Dakar and Mauritania torching French flags, Qatar and Bahrain warned that the new Prophet Mohammed cartoon published Wednesday by the French satirical weekly could fuel hatred.
On the Muslim weekly day of prayers, thousands flooded the streets of Bamako, in response to calls by leading clerics and Mali’s main Islamic body, chanting “Hands off my prophet” and “I am Muslim and I love my prophet”.
In Amman, around 2,500 protesters set off from Al-Husseini mosque under tight security, holding banners that read “insulting the prophet is global terrorism.”
In Algiers, 2,000-3,000 marchers chanted “We are all Mohammed,” though some shouted their support for the Islamist Kouachi brothers who carried out the Charlie Hebdo massacre and clashed with police.
The latest issue of Charlie Hebdo features a cartoon of Mohammed on its cover holding a “Je Suis Charlie” (I am Charlie) sign under the headline “All is forgiven.”
It was the first edition since brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi gunned down 12 people in an attack on the magazine’s Paris offices on January 7 over such cartoons.
The image has angered many Muslims as depictions of Mohammed are widely considered forbidden in Islam.
Algerian protesters chanted: “Kouachi martyrs” or “I am Kouachi” as the demonstration wound its way to the National Assembly, and some clashed with riot police deployed around the building.
French flags torched
AFP photographer Asif Hassan, a policeman and a local TV cameraman were injured in Karachi when clashes also broke out between police and protesters.
A police official said the violence began when police prevented some 350 protesters from approaching the French consulate, in the sprawling metropolis.
Elsewhere in Pakistan, protesters in Peshawar and Multan burnt French flags on the streets, while rallies were also held in Islamabad and Lahore.
In the capital of Senegal, police fired tear gas grenades to disperse about 1,000 protesters who chanted “Allahu Akbar” (God is Greatest) and torched a French flag.
In Nouakchott, thousands marched chanting “We are here to defend the prophet”. Some set fire to a French flag after security forces prevented them from reaching France’s embassy, witnesses said.
Mauritanian President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz addressed the marchers, condemning the controversial cartoon as “an attack on our religion and on all religions”.
In Jerusalem’s flashpoint Al-Aqsa mosque compound, hundreds of Palestinians demonstrated quietly, some with banners reading “Islam is a religion of peace!”
In Khartoum, hundreds poured out of the Grand Mosque and marched across the adjacent square, chanting “Expel the French ambassador. Victory to the Prophet of God!”
In Lebanon’s flashpoint city of Tripoli, 70 people marched with banners bearing the name of the prophet and chanting.
In Baddawi, on the outskirts of the city, prayer leader Sheikh Mohammed Ibrahimi addressed hundreds of worshippers saying: “May God punish this newspaper and those who back it”.
In Tunis, worshippers at El-Fath mosque walked out as prayer leader Noureddine Khadmi said: “We are all against insults made against our prophet but it is not a reason to kill.”
Some of them cried out that Charlie Hebdo journalists “deserved to be killed because they insulted our prophet many times.”
Protests also erupted Friday in areas of conflict-hit Syria held by rebels and jihadists with demonstrators demanding “respect for religions,” said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
A protest in Tehran was cancelled, with no official reason given, as senior Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ali Movahedi Kermani told worshippers the cartoon’s publication amounted to “savagery.”
‘Disgraceful’
Muslim governments also joined the chorus of condemnation of the cartoon.
Qatar branded as “offensive” the drawing, which was reprinted by several European papers in a show of solidarity with the victims of last week’s attack.
“These disgraceful actions are in the interest of nobody and will only fuel hatred and anger,” the foreign ministry warned.
Bahrain’s foreign ministry echoed that, saying publication of such cartoons “will create fertile ground for the spread of hatred and terrorism.”
Charlie Hebdo’s latest cartoon is “disgraceful” and no more than attempt to provoke Muslims and mock their beliefs, it said.
Both Qatar and Bahrain had sent representatives to a massive march in Paris last Sunday in support of free speech, alongside French President Francois Hollande and many other world leaders, including Muslims.
- © AFP 2015.
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It must be so tiring to be a fundamentalist. Pi**ed off all the time, paranoid about everyone possibly saying something you’ll find offensive. No joy, no happiness, just anger.
That’s what religion does, it brainwashes people into believing nonsense. It’s a sad world we live in.
Charlie Hebdo only really started insulting their prophet once they turned turk because of a fairly innocuous cartoon from a Danish newspaper, basically in solidarity alas the religion of perennial victim hood are at it again
Islam is the biggest stain on humanity but western political correctness is allowing this evil to flourish, victims my arse!.
John, what about capitalism? What about Marxism? What about Republicism? What about Monarachism? Etc etc, the human race is a sad excuse for our existence… What is the answer?
These maniacs are hiding behind their poxy religion to justify their own personal evil
Big loss to france. All the opportunities for trade with Islamic countries are gone. Could have been lucrative. Shouldn’t have stood up for your beliefs this time France.
In other news, the roaring trade of croissant and wine sales have taken a dive across pakistan, saudi arabia, and north africa.
Good to know where to cross off my, “must visit” bucket list…
It’s only a bit of a laugh. Can we all just sit down and have a nice cup of tea.
@ robby
Halal?
There wouldn’t be a big loss in the wine sales Dave. Sure aren’t the Moslems all Pioneers.
Maybe not the wine but a billion in arms sales would not be on the table for a while.
William,
Some of those danish cartoons were not innocuous.
Some images made very good points, some I personnal found quite funny, but some of those images were distasteful, protraying the prophet as grubby and unkempt a bit like 19th century images of paddy the Irish apeman or the 1930′s european Jew.
Good satire criticises those in power. And is also witty and subversive. The Charlie images were none of these things, unfortunately.
Muhammad was clearly not a pedophile. A pedophile is someone who exclusively or primarily derives sexual pleasure from children. Muhammad had multiple wives, only one of which was a child, so clearly he was not a pedophile. But yes, it is true that he (according to the hadiths, which are the primary sources for his life) married a six-year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was 9 and he was in his fifties. That was a pretty normal practice at the time, and the problem is not that he did it, the problem is that (some) Muslims today believe that because he did it, it was right and just to do so. There is not a soul on this planet who exactly knew what happened 1400 years ago , if you are familiar with the Chinese whispers game for example , and stretch that out over centuries. You can ‘t just translate what happened than to our time.
Fine, we’ll just say he was a child molester from now on.
@peter it cos its so fcuking hot in the middle east.. If they had our climate protests would be restricted to the odd wednesday in november.. U ever wonder why protests in ireland are not organised during the summer? Cos no one would show up.. We dont get the weather ya see.
In the winter irish people arr more agitated in the middle east its the 40 degree temperatures.. 1st thing western govs should do is give free air conditioning to all households in middle east.. Watch protests decrease by half.
Yes because deliberately insulting something a lot of people care about , is perfectly normal?? I m not a Muslim but with freedom of speech comes moral responsibility , unfortunately sadly lacking among journalists today. If you really care nothing for Islam or Christianity then leave them alone
Ok Paul , than what you say about this ,
Rape and sexual molestation were “endemic” in Irish Catholic church-run industrial schools and orphanages ,
a nine-year investigation found that Catholic priests and nuns for decades terrorised thousands of boys and girls in the Irish Republic, while government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rape and humiliation More than 30,000 children deemed to be petty thieves, truants or from dysfunctional families – a category that often included unmarried mothers – were sent to Ireland’s austere network of industrial schools, reformatories, orphanages and hostels from the 1930s until the last facilities shut in the 1990s. You point the finger at one guy 1400 years ago , what about this cr@p a few decades ago?
I say what has any of that got to do with Mohammed being a child raping bigamist?
It shows the utter lack of intelligence and tolerance by muslims who react in such a fashion.
I feel sorry for all muslims who have been totally brainwashed by their faith.
It’s a sad obsession.
The point is that in Ireland it happened on an industrial scale ‘recently’ , with proof and testimonials , you base you’re assumption on hadiths (ironically) , 1400 years ago , with no hard proof what happened. Show me proof what happened than and I am willing to change my opinion.
I’m not interested in your opinion.
Muslims claim that Mohammed threw the knob into a nine year old, I’m simply repeating what they say.
On other news since Muslims don’t drink alcohol the sales of wine remained stable
@Redmarauder–
Muhammad Fits the Clinical Definition of a Pedophile/Wikislam
Main Article: Aisha’s Age of Consummation
Muhammad was a pedophile, even according to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia – the DSM-IV-TR:
A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Muhammad Fits the Clinical Definition of a Pedophile
Muhammad was engaged to Aisha when she was only 6 year old and he was 51, and consummated the marriage while she was still pre-pubescent, aged 9 lunar years old. Thus he fulfilled all three requirements needed for a positive diagnosis.
Redmarauder, do you mean it was right and just to do so or it is right and just to do so? Because a lot of Islamic states endorse it still…
April 2014/Huff post “Global Motherhood
——”However, this month’s plan by Iraqi parliamentarians to legalize underage marriage at nine follows the Pakistan Islamic Council’s demand last month that Pakistan abolish all legal restrictions on child marriage, the revelation that Syrian refugee girls are being sold into marriage against their will and the increased pressure in many African countries to ease the restrictions on selling child brides.”
“A report from the UN’s Children Fund (UNICEF) shows that a great number of adolescents give birth in developing countries, and they are mainly girls with little or no education from low-income households in rural areas. Also, a UNFPA survey that took place in 2010, in 54 of the world’s poorest countries, 36.4 million women between the ages of 20 and 24 reported having given birth before they were 18. Bangladesh, Chad, Guinea, Mali, Mozambique and Niger are countries where early marriage is the most common.
So what ever they say you believe right? Than by all standards it means you are a Muslim.
Nope. It means that Muslims claim old Mo was a paedo and I am repeating their claims.
I don’t see what your problem with that is.
No paddy, what I said was that it is a problem that Muslims today believe that because he did it , it was right to do so.
Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility.
- The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1880 was 7.
Age Limit in Age of Consent Laws in Selected Countries
1880 . 1920 . 2007
Austria 14 14 14
Belgium - 16 16
Bulgaria 13 13 14
Denmark 12 12 15
England & Wales 13 16 16
Finland - 12 16
France 13 13 15
Germany 14 14 14
Greece - 12 15
Italy - 16 14
Luxembourg 15 15 16
Norway - 16 16
Portugal 12 12 14
Romania 15 15 15
Russia 10 14 16
Scotland 12 12 16
Spain 12 12 13
Sweden 15 15 15
Switzerland various 16 16
Turkey 15 15 18
Argentina - 12 13
Brazil - 16 14
Chile 20 20 18
Ecuador - 14 14
Canada 12 14 14
Australia
New South Wales 12 16 16
Queensland 12 17 16
Victoria 12 16 16
Western Australia 12 14 16
United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Alaska - 16 16
Arizona 12 18 18
Arkansas 10 16 16
California 10 18 18
Colorado 10 18 15
Connecticut 10 16 16
District of Columbia 12 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Florida 10 18 18
Georgia 10 14 16
Hawaii - - 16
Idaho 10 18 18
Illinois 10 16 17
Indiana 12 16 16
Iowa 10 16 16
Kansas 10 18 16
Kentucky 12 16 16
Louisiana 12 18 17
Maine 10 16 16
Maryland 10 16 16
Massachusetts 10 16 16
Michigan 10 16 16
Minnesota 10 18 16
Mississippi 10 18 16
Missouri 12 18 17
Montana 10 18 16
Nebraska 10 18 17
Nevada 12 18 16
New Hampshire 10 16 16
It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into “women”, then they get married off.
That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in is quite different than what you live in today.
Also today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times.
Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls’ marriage was as little as 10.So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.
@Paul now you are busted , if you find a Muslim who actually has said that , you would be the first to do so in 1400 years , better call Guinness book of world records.
You are really going out of your way to defend paedophilia. That’s kind of creepy, dude.
I already found a Muslim who has said that, a scholar no less. But he was only a young fella, maybe he messed up.
As far as I am aware, Mohammed married a 6 year old and knobbed her when she was 9. You agree with me about that so I still don’t know what your problem is.
I absolutely do not defend peadophilia , I also mentioned in my previous post that it is a Problem today that some Muslims (radicals) believe they should uphold this ideology , BUT by the standards of that period Mohammad can not be accused of peadophilia , because the standards of that time were different to today , that is my point.
There are way too many people knocking around who pay rapt attention to what that 7th century clodhopper said and did and it’s not just radicals.
The guy was, among other horrible things, a paedophile, I don’t care what their standards were back in the day.
Islam and Mohammed are ridiculous and should be mocked at every opportunity.
Anyway, Yojimbo is almost over so I’m off to the bed.
Hmmm, bit of a disparity between Chile and Delaware in 1880
You are right, a lot of people believe that , at least I can go to sleep with the knowledge that 1.5 billion people agree what I said. Have a good night.
@Redmarauder– Your figs. show that a great deal of progress has been made, in this regard, in just over 100 yrs.in the non-Muslim world whereas in the Muslim world they are regressing rapidly. As cited prev. UN stats of over 36ml. girls gave birth prior to age 18,etc all Muslim countries. Also Iraq and others desiring to legally bring down the age to Mohammed’s preferences flies in the face of current medical evidence that it is an unhealthy and destructive practice.
Obviously something is profoundly wrong and indefensible with Islamic practices in this matter to say the least
Even so Jim but did they deserve such a ferocious reaction from overly sensitive Muslims right around the world?.
There was another cartoon depicting Mohamed sitting at a table with 2 PR researchers one of them says frankly Mr Mohamed a few Danish cartoons are the least of your image problems, on the table is a page saying;
PR RESEARCH ISLAMISM
*Terrorism
*Theocratic Tyranny
*Subjugation of Women
*Intolerance of Criticism
*Persecution of Moderate Muslims
*Fear of Western Culture and Pictures of Piglet.
The incomparable Pat Condell at his brilliant satirical best.
Pretty delicious racism, in fairness.
In the U.K. they drink cider by the crate full,Do not recognize it as an alocholic drink.
“Aryan Light” (Lasair)… Hitler had sexual relations with his niece Geli Raubal. Three of his lovers committed suicide, two others attempted suicide. Does this impact on your devotion to Hitler and his policies?
Like I said before normal behavior for that time period. Must have been 06:00 in the morning when you wrote this , are you a garbish man? Deep down I think you do admire the man , don’t you.
@Lasair………all these practices will become standard fare whenever and wherever any Muslim Brotherhood backed party usurps power. Because Mohammed lay down with the dead Fatima so also Muslims under Sharia who are required to emulate Mohammed will be allowed. Remenmber the Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian pres. Morsi !See below-
April/2012 Cairo/Al Arabia News
Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper.
The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.
She was referring to two laws: one that would legalize the marriage of girls starting from the age of 14 and the other that permits a husband to have sex with his dead wife within the six hours following her death.
Ah the “peaceful” and tolerant side of Islam shown to the world yet again.
Goes to show you how completely insane religion is.
Well, one in particular.
Inciting violence apparently not a crime as long as you have a catchy trendy hastag. .. Je suis Charlie
Fundamentalist wise, they’re the worst of a bad bunch. But all religion is lunacy if you ask me.
Business Car: Satanism in particular.
The “religion” that has orchestrated this great lie to begin with.
Time will soon tell who are the real Charlie’s when your Civil Liberties and rights to “free speech” are torn to shred’s and you are forced to accept to accept an electronic chip.
I’d rather have an electronic chip the size of a pumpkin inserted in my rectum Frank than live under sharia law and if I was a woman I’d seriously consider throwing myself off the nearest bridge, whatever chance a man has a woman might as well resign herself to be treated worse than a beaten dog.
Satanism gets a bad wrap to be fair.
Satanists work in Numbers.. and the Devils number is 666,.. Look at Cyber Bill HR234
Take a look at the factors of Barack Obama’s new Cyber Security Bill HR234, a pretext for internet SLAVERY and corporate control based on all these filthy Lies and false flag that have been spitted out.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/234
The Number 234 = 13 x 18 or 6x6x6+6+6+6. if you are any good at Maths.
Give them enough space and enough time and they’ll all protest each other to death under the benevolent eye of their unsketchable wonder-God.
Amen.
H=8 R=18. 8 by 18 = 144.
144 / 2 = 72…Virgins, anyone?
72 * 3 = 216
Verse number 216 of Surah Al-Baqara
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not.”
And the fourth number of H.R.234 – Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act…4.
The forth word of the verse….for.
All we are missing is….u. It’s all maths. Innit?
Charles Fogarty_ Funny you mention the number 216..which = 6x6x6.
It is also the Numerical Value of “Barack”
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=barack
Obama was also born on 4th August 1961 which is the 216 date of the Year.
Frank, the number of the devil is actually 616. Unless you’re just taking all this from stuff you read on the internet?
You haven’t explained the logistics of all this being a red flag operation. The thousands of people involved, their friends and families, keeping it out of Wikileaks (while allowing all that other damaging info to be released), the fact that not one person involved in any red flag operation has *ever* spoken out about his or her involvement. You may be good at maths, but not so much on the logistics.
And that the world leaders all use a handy numerical code that is so easily broken by math sleuths like yourself.
George Eliot_ If that were the case money Grabbing Hollywood and the corporate entertainment industry would be down billions of dollars changing scripts, lyrics and album covers.
Not sure if being trolled or you just can’t answer basic questions.
George Elliot the Shadow Government certainly do have someone setting dates..
I have brought up the subject of the numerology behind the Atom Bomb on several occasions and it is a prime example of occult numerology used by the powers that be.
http://obama793.com/2014/08/13/the-zionist-number-33-and-its-infiltration-in-who-and-un/
The number of said mythological beast isn’t 666… It’s 616 so your math is pants! Look it up
It doesn’t matter for him if the maths is out, as far as I can gather. He’ll just ignore and continue on his merry way. He’s either a troll or not particularly bright.
Looking at that link you put up, Frank, you realise it’s just all random numbers, right? There’s no actual consistency between what you look for in a given section? So, in one part you add the numbers of the letters of a name, in another you multiply, in another you don’t take the name, but you take the date, and so on. You realise that, right?
Yes you can hear an over welling cry from “moderate” Muslims “Not in my name”
Frank I reckon you’d do well on countdown
One of the banners reads “respect out feelings”. Perhaps we would if you respected ours. And didn’t kill people for drawing cartoons. You nucking futters.
You should be a diplomat Kitty you might go far.
Too honest for politics Kerry – sorry! I’m just so tired of organised religion, the oppression it causes and the hatred it breeds.
Bingo Kitty. Your faith should be your own business, but organised religion is the cloak oppression hides itself behind.
Kitty, back in the 70′s & 80′s British newspapers sometimes published offensive anti Irish stuff implying we were all violent and unstable. Irish people protested against this, then in came the flood of letters from the great unwashed screaming things like, ‘how dare these people criticise us after they bombed us’ or ‘I’m sick of these Irish, they are always complaining about something’ or ‘you never hear them condemn violence’
Sound familiar at all Kitty?
Check this out, it’s very short.
These morons are being told by their nutjob imams to protest over something they know nothing about. Half them can’t even read or pick out France on a map.
There’s a first world country with citizens who can’t pick out France on a map as well, you know…
So sick of Islam and its BS.
I am not Muslim but do a little research.
Are Muslims the real Terrorists?
It is said that who ever controls the media controls the masses. It Certainly looks that way.
pipe down frank. no one said all muslims are terrorists.
Give it another 5 min and those comments will start pouring in. 4 pour sods gone for a cartoon , it is just depressing.
Dave J_ They have certainly been demonized with all this latest hype.
Why isn’t the same spot light placed on those that have been training and arming them?
people train themselves. They arm themselves, and sometimes, they even choose to wrap themselves in explosives and detonate themselves.
Suppliers dont equal terrorists. Your logic means the person that taught them how to drive a car should be guilty, as well as the car manufacturer, as they needed a getaway car after shooting everyone. Think about it frank. Citroen are just as guilty as whoever it is you are suggesting. All that free advertising….
Redmarauder, you demonstrate the sad futility of this.
A provocative cartoon is published and 4 more people die. No good is achieved. Greater bitterness results, there is an escalation in mutual hostility and further atrocities appear inevitable.
What for? To play into the hands of the evil manipulators of radical Islam?
Frank your an ass
I agree Anthony and of course I include the poor people who lost their lives in Paris apart from the terrorists.
Their really not taking this joke well are they.
So did you hear the one about the two Al Quieda human bombers who walked into the pub?? No? neither did I but maybe someone here could fill us in in what makes a Muslim laugh?? Every society or religion has a sense of humour.The Jews and Israelis have a gallows sense of humour,the Irish take the piss out of each other all the time,the French have a dry sense of humour,the Germans,contary to pouplar opinion, have one too,but it’s very technical.So what makes Mustaffa and Saiid laugh??Surely they must have the craic at something??
Nope, forbidden, like snowmen.
they laugh at how many lashes yer man’s wife down the road has got. “6 more than a zebra, 4 less than a tiger”, quipped Ahmed to his mate Safar. 10 more and they’ll be certain that allah really is akbar.
Can anyone explain why people keep trying to buy bags from me? All I keep saying is “J’ai Charlie”, unless I’m not saying it right.
‘There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious. ‘
– Ayatollah Khomeini
Scipio_ You could say the same about Mass.
Strange they despise the West but all want to stay or come here and pick up benefits. Hypocrites.
I have the right to live the way I want.So do you all. If my rights inhibit your rights, then I’m in the wrong. Believe anything you want but don’t tell me what or who to believe. I am allowed make my own choices without anyone mocking me. I am not religious but I respect the fact that some people are.
I was in a playground a while back with the kids and this guy got down on his knees and started praying while his kids were on the swings . I have say my kids got nervous and I just moved them out of the way . I do think there’s a time and place and the playground isn’t one of them . turns out the guy came over for a chat and he was lovely and friendly !
I’d be careful about a bloke on his own kneeling and bowing in a children’s playground being “lovely and friendly” maybe it’s just me.
And about 5 minutes after Boko Haramesque nutjobs start raping and murdering in the former French colonies start giving the population exactly what the marchers here want they’ll be crying to France to save them from the evil fundamentalists. Look at Mali ect.. Giving it loads about kicking the French out and first sign of it going wrong screaming blue murder when they don’t drop everything and send troops back in.
*Sorry.That was a bit of a scatter gun rant against half of north Africa.What I was getting at is that if countries are not willing to stand up and arrest those who are rioting and killing in the name of Islam they should not be looking for outside help ,especially from the country they are protesting against, when those same rioters form larger groups that threaten the security of their country.France has been held up as some brutal dictator that had to be expelled in a great heroic war and it was in some ways but the likes of Mali or French Sahara should not be looking to them for help for problems they have allowed to happen.You didn’t see Vietnam doing it when the US invaded for Christs sake.
Islam is a religion that takes the peace…..
The religion of imbeciles
Munster. Did it take you long to formulate that insightful contribution?
Does it take long to extract your head from your ar.sehole every day ten major?
Time for a new crusade!!!!
Above was to the grim reaper.
The Muslims are waiting for 3rd Crusade.
The loss of all human life is tragic.
Fortunately the reaction to the Charlie Hebdo most recent cartoon has been far more muted than many expected.
Eventually, effort has to be made in order to achieve preface full cohabitation. The alternative is death and violence.
What price is acceptable for depicting Mohammed? I understand and identify with freedom of expression and do not consider that laws should prevent anti religious satire. But is there an argument for voluntary restraint and some sensitivity at a very turbulent time?
Does freedom of expression impose a duty to offend religious zealots?
Well said Anthony. Before you get the numerous knee-jerk red thumbs you ask a valid and important question. It is unfortunate many feel supporting free speech after the Paris attack is to p*ss all over many normal law abiding citizens strongly held beliefs.
This exercise of free speach is to fundamentalist.
Just because you can does not mean that you should.
So when shoudn’t you? : when doing so will cause misunderstanding, violence, loss of life and polarisation of communities and be harnessed by the currupt radicals.
Charles and Jim, I expected the avalanche of red thumbs but I did not expect to encounter others who not only held a similar perspective but we’re willing to express that perspective.
Our action have consequences and it is difficult to see what good is achieved by kicking Islam. It offends even moderate Muslims although they are peaceful, but it alienates and provokes the more radical Muslims, reinforcing their antagonism to Western values, causing greater disaffection and violence.
I am not advocating cowardice but gratuitously attacking the dignity of a religion which has passionate adherents fails the test of not doing harm and achieving no good.
I’m not keen on people dying or being sacrificed for any ideology or viewpoint.
During this past week, one of the chief imams of Sri lanka made a statement at a mutli-religious gathering to mark the visit to that formerly battle torn country of Pope Francis. One of the imams key points was that the enemy of mankind is not religion but extremism. Extremism in all areas of human interaction.
It is extreme ignorance to condemn all Muslims, it is extreme ignorance to condemn or mock all religions and religious people. Yes there are religious bigots, people who have built racist, xenophobic cults out of their interpretation of religion. They have done this to control their own people, to get divine approval for their political or ideological standpoint, to create holy martyrs for the cause.
I’d urge people in this country to reflect our own sad history of religious flag waving, rioting and killing which had/has very little to do with Christian principals or even denominational principals.
Proof today is that SF are a party of ultra nationalist, socialist, atheist and secular principals and not of Christian principals.
Jim I would urge you to read a few books about Ireland’s more recent history, then you might realise that none of the violent conflict on this isle had anything to do with religion but it did have something to do with civil right at the outset.
Because a social group are tagged by their religion doesn’t make that the defining element. The fact that SF is a secular group has nothing to do with anything but most of your diatribes are disjointed so, nothing new there.
Bahrain and Qatar governments called it disgraceful, and a few thousand Muslims threw a hissy fit in their own town / city.
I despise all organised religion, and enjoy mocking their ridiculous actions, but the world’s 1.3 Billion (or so) Muslims seem to be fairly quiet about this.
Storm in a tea cup.
Hey Terry! There is 1.3 billion Muslims outside your front door who’d like a word! I can help you out with four of them! :}
Time to get rid of these extremists once andfor all bomb a few mosques that should sort it,in my area recently they wanted to build a mosque in my home town they were going to put 1 million into it I am glad they didn’t get the planning permission for this.
Savages. It pains me to say that but this is the mentality we are dealing with.
Now you know what the Israelis put up with on a daily basis.
That’s rubbish. A country that locks up its young people because they don’t want to join Army and refuse to learn how to kill a Palestinian is about as tolerant or innocent as Islamic extremist lunatics. Israel is such a country that does exactly that.
Subtle. Irrelevant but….Subtle.
At least they don’t use their children as human shields or kill at least 160 children building terror tunnels. Khaled Meshaal stole $2.6 BILLION from the people of Gaza and the coward hides away in Qatar in a luxury hotel surrounded by bodyguards. Arab and Muslim Israelis have to serve in the IDF and proudly serve. When all your neighbours are savages like the ones in this story and want to wipe your family off the face of the earth, the least you could is serve. I don’t see many IDF defectors moving to Gaza or WB.
I have always been pro-Israeli.if “some one” was “lobbing” rockets at me ,I would sens twice as many back.Especially as these people declare their aim is the distruction of my country.
correction destruction.
Is it wise to prod a rattlesnake with a stick ?
Only if the rattlesnakes go to other countries and demand to live in the desert…
And by rattlesnake we mean the US military? And by desert we mean most of the Middle East?
This rattlesnake, yes. Then chop it into little pieces and burn it to ash so it poison cant kill another single person
I completely condemn what happened in Paris. However I do feel that there was no need to have another caption of the Prophet Mohammad on their papers, knowing full well that it was going to cause controversy. I think everyone in the west knows that depicting the Prophet Mohammad in such a manner is offensive, so I don’t understand why we can’t just respect that and leave well enough alone. Instead we critique their sense of humour. While I am not a religious and deep down believe that religion divides us (but so does a lot of things in life)I can respect other people believes and views and if it is offensive to Muslims to draw caricatures of their Prophet then don’t do it. It just fosters hatred amongst Muslims towards the west.
No it shows that Islam doesn’t belong in the West. We have bent over backwards allowing Sharia courts in Europe and having a different system of justice for minorities. We have to put up with the disgusting scene of seeing women covered from head to toe and walking down Henry Street 3 paces behind their husband, the Qur’an does not even mention Burqa or Chadour and there is no requirement even in Islam for this disgusting perversion of religion.
The recent events shows a clash of cultures, a minority coming into Ireland despite being a threat and sending their young people off to Syria on Jihad. We allow Irish Imams to threaten the freedom of the press. I don’t hear these Imams condemning Anjem Choudhary or defending Ireland, as they are Irish citizens now, why don’t they tell these nutjobs to piss off and condemn them personally? They try to distance themselves from the extremists and yet Gardai know that at least 100 irish Muslims went off to Syria?
I am not Islamophobic, I don’t fear any silly religion. I will defend the right of any Muslim in Ireland to say what they like within the bounds of Free Speech and the Law. If the Irish Imams want to issue a Fatwa against building snowmen, it is their right, however silly it might be.
What I do fear is the Irish Government rushing through emergency legislation to combat “Terrorism”. I have a better chance of winning the Euromillions than being killed by a terrorist, I am more likely to be killed by Gardai.
The terrorists have already won. Our rights and freedoms have been curtailed in the name of “protecting” us from terrorists. Try flying these days and be prepared to be stripped naked in the name of being protected. It’s only a matter of time before we are stripped to get on busses and trains like in the USA. We pay more in taxes for this. The Irish government will want access to our emails and phone calls, be able to search our cars or houses under the guise of “protecting” us. We are slaves in our country because we let in a minority and bent over backwards being politically correct, in return they take away our freedoms and rights. Enough is enough.
I understand Charlie Hebdo needed to make a deviance act , cartoons can be shown in a million different ways however , why did they choose to put his head on a dog and in several sex acts , what kind of message did they think they were sending? It is a disgrace.
It should be possible to criticise Islam and taking issue with many if its aspects, for example it’s attitudes to women, but wholescale and derisory mockery intended only to provoke incandescent rage, does not appear to achieve any positive result and seems destined to achieve only violent death and injury as well as civil dissension and hostility between Muslims and non Muslims.
You started so well!!
Well written.
As usual in photos from Muslim country’s I don’t see women demonstrating against anything, obviously they don’t get as offended as there men folk!!
A bit like English Defence League Or French Front National marches then?
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Did Chatlie Hebdo not think this cartoon would cause a response like this? After everything that’s happened you don’t need to publish insulting images that pisses off 1.5 billion people. It’s creating an us versus them mentality. There is freedom of speech and there’s common sense. Now 4 more people are dead.
As far as creating an us versus them situation goes, I think shooting 12 people dead has a bigger impact than drawing a few cartoons.
@James. So we a continent of 500 million should stoop down to IS’s savage level, they who number in the thousands and encourage a them and us situation too? No offence but try the army, diplomacy is not your bag.
Isn’t religion just a load of shite another prehistoric way of controlling populations with no evidence of an existence of a God .. do you not get bored of being told what to do by someone who knows nothing ? It’s homophobia rascisim , dividing of people and also child cruelty ..I mean who tells there children they will go to he’ll really .. I wish people would think for themselves and not put there faith in second hand story’s .. oh please make a donation in the basket so we can buy more gold
Simplistic waffle. If people want to criticise religion fair enough, but it would be better if your knowledge of the subject extended beyond a 6th Year talk on evolution and a Richard Dawkins documentary.
If one considers ideas such as Prima Causa or Thomists arguments of Contingency you may still disagree, but I doubt you would still consider it “a load of sh!te ”
Of course, one can and should point out failures and wrongdoings of organised religion, but at the same time religious organisations have done a lot of good. Do you know how many African American people’s lives are improved by Islam? Do you care about Catholic Priests that have provided social provision in countries that have none?
But no doubt you will continue with your small minded insulting diatribes, and idiots on here will continue to support and green thumb, and hey, that’s your prerogative. But you should try being a little more imaginative. Antireligious rants can be very boring.
The only Ism that should be acceptable is Jism.
Jislam.
Where do they get all the flags from! Someone in these countries are making a killing selling American and French flags to burn.
Mohamad was an insult in his own day and age. His dictatorship was violent and merciless. He was either schizophrenic, or made up voices from his god as is done by many corrupt dictators.
Although his actions were accepted in his day as normal, he would be prosecuted today for genocide and crimes against humanity.
He would also be diagnosed as mentally diseased and hospitalised and medicated today.
Think i’ll be objecting to that super saudi funded mosque in donaghmede again
@Lucy excuse me? Worse give it a rest? All of those things happened becse of humans faults and in some cases badness. Not because catholic faith told them to. Don’t like catholusim or any religion. That’s your business. But don’t be blaming religion and giving excuses to bad people. It wasn’t in just religion they did this. They did it in politics and rich and famous did it. Murdering stealing babies because they could not because God told them to. By you blaming religion gives them excuses for being nasty people. My faith teaches me kindness and love and generosity and empathy. But don’t come preaching at me when you just above basically said to bend over for a bunch of lunatics because of a cartoon. You and people like you are the reason people like these extremists continue to use religion for their excuses to murder. Get this and get it loud and clear. They hate you and all that stands for freedom of choice and will do all they can to oppress it. You give them that power. I don’t mind people slagging my religion because I am completely sure of it and they are not.
@fuve I actually stated that religion along with many other things divides people……..it is very complex and I am not giving them and excuse I am simply stating that for a moment having an understanding of how other people view this world would be beneficial……adding fuel to the fire doesn’t work….
I find highly offensive as a non religious person that you make broad sweeping statements about all of them wanting to kill all of us……it’s that sort of logic that divides people….yes while there is extremists (some argue that it is the west who have facilitated this radicalization) not all Muslim people are extreme and want to murder everyone.
Nobody is slagging your religion just pointing out the obvious….if you choose to believe the dogma that the church spouts about that’s your business….I personally prefer to find my own truth….
What sort of a crappy god expects its followers to kill people?
It’s at times like this that I’m happy that I’m an atheist thank god!
What sort of editor prints material that will get people killed and make relations worse?
@improperganda I haven’t killed anyone dear,nor has any of my family or friends. Has your family killed anyone? So it seeks Catholics don’t kill in name of anyone. But people kill. Religion doesn’t.
Stop the foreign aid to these barbaric backward stone age societies
Nobody is keeping them in France. They can emigrate to Marocco, Pakistan or Iran.
I find it pretty funny that burning a national flag is okay but having a cartoon of a religious leader isn’t.
If pictures of Mo are forbidden then how do mushlums know that these cartoons are depicting their beloved Mo?? Can’t get angry over something that you have no idea weather or not it looks like your god! Even JCs father is depicted as a grey haired old white man but JC has a great tan and Arabian look about him so why don’t Catholics get riled up over that? Oh, that’d be the turn the other cheek part they were all taught, guess the auld religion of peace don’t get the concept of tolerance at all!
Q. How do you tell a Sunni from a Shiite
A. The sunnis are the ones with the Shiite blown out of them.
Pakistan is a messed up country with a deplorable level of un educated and rural people living by old tribal customs. The imams or religious teachers are the educated or ones educated enough to read the Koran to the locals who take what is said and preached to them literally and to heart for it is all they know.
The lives lost and those who were injured here were not due to cartoons drawn 7 thousand miles away but by their neighbours who took guns out to the street in pointless protest and then shot people, their neighbours due to their rage and inability to reason or control their own rational of what they found or told to be offended over.
Would you blame those burning US flags in Pakistan if it incited some town or city in the American Midwest to take to the streets in protest and among that group people took weapons and killed and injured their neighbours? No, you blame the ones who took weapons to a protest where there was no possible chance they would come face to face with those burning flags or the focus of their rage. No, They and they alone turned on their own people siding with their rage and caused this.
No one else holds responsibility.
But of course they condemn the attackers don’t you know.
Idiots.
Where are all the muslims marching for the innocent victims of Paris etc? Sick of these butthurt people.
Humans are a messed up species
Joanie, so someone does something you don’t understand, you automatically assume they’re nuts, they turn out to be nice and normal, there’s a lesson in there.
Oh ffs. If you’re going to be simple, you should at least try and be happy.
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