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Three children abused by their mother escaped from their home using a ladder

The mother beat one of the children and told the others she was ‘beating the white devil’ out of the child.

THREE CHILDREN WHO were abused by their mother and not allowed to leave their home managed to escape by using a ladder.

The siblings – two girls and a boy who have all now been taken into care –  experienced neglect and emotional and physical abuse from their mother, and there were also allegations of sexual abuse. They planned the escape for some time before executing the plan.

The children brought with them some of the only items that they had – an iPad, a book from the library on bullying, a phone number for fostering services and a phone number for the Samaritans.

The case was brought to light in the latest reports from the Child Care Law Reporting Project, which regularly publishes cases documenting how and why children are taken into care in Ireland.

The report does not give any details such as where in Ireland the family lived to ensure the children cannot be identified.

Instead, it describes how the children had been removed from school to be homeschooled by their mother. Their father rarely visited the house and did not protect them from their mother.

The children had no structure to their day. The mother spend most of her time in her bedroom, where she used a bucket as a toilet. Her son was made to empty it.

The mother beat one of the children frequently, telling the others that she [the mother] was the reincarnation of the Holy Spirit and that she was “beating the white devil” out of the child.

The children had no friends and taught themselves using books in the house. They often stayed up late at night in order to avoid their mother’s violent outbursts during the day.

A Garda sergeant who visited the house after the children escaped said that it was filthy, with floors covered in grime and dirt. The walls were inscribed with religious rhetoric and there was an altar in front of the window in the sitting room.

There was also a damaged electric heater which could have easily ignited. “I had grave concerns that the house was a hazard in itself and it wasn’t fit for children to live in those conditions,” the sergeant told the District Court.

The children, who were all in their early and mid teens, hatched the escape plan together.

A social worker told the court:

“They [the children] used a ladder that they had moved. The side gate was locked as their [older] sister had got out that way [the sister had managed to leave the home]“.

They spoke abut testing the plan when their mum had gone out. They had tested the lock on the front door and thought it was too noisy so they altered the plan. They told the brother only on the night they were leaving as they thought he was too young to be told before.
The children carefully removed each item [they were bringing with them] from the window so as not to wake their mother. The girl said that there were beer bottles and alcohol near her mother.

The children went to a neighbour’s house to get help, and the neighbour called the local garda station, who sent an officer to speak to the children.

The officer told the District Court:

“They said if they did try to escape, their mother would physically assault them. The second child explained that they never went to school, they were home schooled but she only learned to read at age 12, and her sister taught her”.

When the mother came to the garda station she was angry and abusive and did not seem to have any interest in the welfare of the children, the court heard.

An educational welfare officer told the court that the mother had been before court 16 times for the non-attendance of her daughters at school. The mother claimed she was home-schooling them. However by 2009, although she had officially registered as home-schooling, the mother did not comply with the assessment process and was told that her children were being taken off the home-schooling register. She was told to put them into school – but this never happened.

A duty social worker told the court that files from 1999 onwards show the second child had received a burn for which she was not adequately treated when she was very young. There was also a referral to the social work department in 2001 relating to the eldest child’s school attendance.

The District Court granted full care orders for the three children. Their father had not suggested that the children live with him.

Neither the mother nor the father engaged with social workers after the children were taken into care.

The case has also been referred to the Children’s Ombudsman over why the concerns about the family were known by authorities since 2009 but were not followed up.

The report and others can be seen on the Child Care Law Reporting Project website from this morning.

The project has reported on 101 cases in the past year on the intersection of children being taken into care, the Child and Family Agency, and the courts system.

The team is led by Dr Carol Coulter, who said that she hoped the accumulation of reports would help people working in the area to gain more clarity and consistency in working with families.

Read: Project gives fascinating – and shocking – look into Ireland’s child care system > 

Read: Most parents in child care court cases are not married and raising children alone > 

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    Mute Stevie Doran
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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:14 AM

    Great Little Country for Landlords

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    Mute ObsidianShine
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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:39 AM

    @Stevie Doran: Won’t be long now until you have someone coming along trying to make out that landlords don’t make very much money and tenants are bad and oh lord isn’t it so hard being a landlord….

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    Nov 12th 2019, 2:04 AM

    @Stevie Doran: 41 Tds are landlords.

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    Mute Locojoe
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    Nov 12th 2019, 5:15 AM

    @Stevie Doran: Landlords are getting out. Another reason rent continues to rise.

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    Mute GMCManning
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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:40 AM

    @ObsidianShine: or some else trying to make out landlords are all bad greedy people…oh wait.

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    Mute GMCManning
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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:41 AM

    @Stevie Doran: cos landlords created the lack of supply

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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:58 AM

    @Stevie Doran: tax rate of 50% plus

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:46 AM

    @Joseph Lyons: more than 50% of landlords getting cash in hand

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    Mute GMCManning
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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:57 AM

    @Stevie Doran: link?

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    Mute Joseph Lyons
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:03 AM

    @Stevie Doran: really? And revenue just turn a blind eye do they? Talking out ya bum hole there friend

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    Mute Gavin Conran
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:05 AM

    @Stevie Doran: Source?

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    Mute GMCManning
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:12 AM

    @Joseph Lyons: has someone else taken over your account? That’s 3 agreements in 1 morning.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:39 AM

    @Stevie Doran: so why are half of them selling up?

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    Mute Fr. Fintan Stack
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:17 AM

    @GMCManning: Landlords didn’t create the lack of supply, they just took advantage of it…

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    Mute Pierre Lecake
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:50 AM

    @Stevie Doran: Only if you are a Vulture Fund

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:53 AM

    @Peter Coen: So what. They have done nothing for landlords except diminish their rights

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:54 AM

    @Stevie Doran: Talk about made up facts

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:18 AM

    Dublin not having a Directly Elected Mayor accountable and Responsible for housing and accommodation is one of the reasons we are having a housing crisis, other cities around the world with Directly Elected Mayor’s have been able to implement policy’s to combat out of control housing rental price increases. Eoghan Murphy has completely failed!

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    Mute Seán Troy
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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:28 AM

    @Cormac McKay Dublin:

    Housing crises are actually a hallmark of western cities now. There are very few exceptions.

    Barcelona, London, New York, Berlin, Paris etc. All of them are struggling with the same problem.

    The. Free. Market. Does. Not. Function. When. Trying. To. House. People. Affordably.

    The powers that be need this drilled into their skull.

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    Mute Vincent #SaveDaredevil
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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:40 AM

    @Seán Troy: The powers that be are part of the problem, they are mostly landlords. Conflict of interest anyone….

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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:58 AM

    @Seán Troy: but how can we know if we don’t have a free market? The housing market here is managed. Try to build something and see the amount of hoops you have to jump through and regulations that have to be met. I’m not saying some of these aren’t necessary, but blaming a free market when we don’t have one isn’t right.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:27 AM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: If there was such a conflict of interest then you would think the tax on landlords would be lower than 50%.

    Government gets most of the rent money after the bank. Very little if anything goes to a landlord while they have a mortgage on the property.
    This is why they are leaving.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:33 AM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: mostly landlords? Lazy fake news. About 1 in 4 TDs own a 2nd property. That is probably not too different than the national average of people of a simikiar salary

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:33 AM

    @Cormac McKay Dublin: A mayor will do nothing! Only reduce the amount of backhanders that councillors receive. Stupid comment

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    Nov 12th 2019, 1:44 AM

    Ireland has backwards to the Irish Famine times Landlords living the high life on the backs of the Renters while the Renters go to food banks

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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:40 AM

    @Mark Lamb: renting is now the modern day slavery, vested interests have politicians bought off to keep this whole evil setup a massive cashcow.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 3:30 AM

    It’s so great for landlords that they are all getting out of the sector. Easy targets as usual.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 1:06 AM

    We are saving the planet Leo , all the people will soon be living on
    The streets. The worst terrorist have being our last 5 governments

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:34 AM

    Another anti government story put up in the dead of night..

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:51 AM

    @David Garland: so give us a pro government story

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:52 AM

    @David Garland: health service? Housing?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 1:01 AM

    @Pete mc pete: He means they put them up at this hour so that less people might read them

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    Nov 12th 2019, 1:02 AM

    @JusticeForJoe: *fewer

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    Nov 12th 2019, 5:54 AM

    @David Garland: are you too a landlord ?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:42 AM

    @Andre le Flohic: what’s wrong with being a landlord?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:06 AM

    @David Garland: And thus the first story i noticed this morning – see how that works?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:40 AM

    @Gavin Conran: and pinned to the top as a ‘must read’ as well, so even at 8.30 am, it’s the first story I see. Most effective way of getting biggest readership possible – not a tactic to bury it so that nobody sees it. There are a lot if conspiracy theories on here every day, but this one reay doesn’t stand up.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:45 AM

    @David Garland: there are loads to chose from!

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:44 AM

    Half a renters money is tax ,the government aren’t going to do anything to stop this steady income

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    Nov 12th 2019, 2:01 AM

    FG are all landlords so they wont be trying to lower rents anytime soon

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:45 AM

    Greedy landlords.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:44 AM

    @Peter Coen: how am I greedy?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:31 AM

    @GMCManning: yes, I’m sure they meant you, the individual.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:58 AM

    @Darren Sheridan: that’s what Petey said

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:08 AM

    @Darren Sheridan: Well it appears he is a landlord so his question is valid no?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:28 AM

    @Peter Coen: most “greedy landlords” are already capped by RPZs, paying 53% of rental income in taxes and selling up in droves. These increases are clearly due to the new entrants to the rental market: vulture funds who can charge what they like… and pay feck all taxes.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:31 AM

    The government get €600 every month in income tax. For every single property. Where are the stats on how much the government has increased earnings.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:38 AM

    @crafty nut: 600 every month on every single property sounds like fake news to me

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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:28 AM

    @crafty nut: they hand it back out in the form of Hap payments

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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:17 AM

    @Johannes Baader: If the average rent is €1400 per month then the average tax is just below half that (for small landlords).
    Small landlords get charged their normal PAYE rate and PRSI + USC on their income. So about 52%.
    Obviously they can claim some expenses so they’re not paying the 52%.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:37 AM

    We paid 1500 a month in 2007 for a 4 bed semi in Cork.
    We paid 1000 a month in 2010 for a 4-bed semi.
    We were able to buy a house in the country in 2015 as we could not afford a mortgage for a house in the city area.
    Now those rental properties are 1700+ per month. Supply, demand, what the market will bear, are all a factor. All I can say is I am glad to be out of the rental market, the burden is real. Mortgages are much cheaper than rent but getting a deposit saved is really difficult. Better than the 100% mortgages/negative equity scenario we had in 2008/9 but just a different and very real problem now.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:13 AM

    @Seeking Truth: I was in the same situation as you. Bought last year on the fringes of the commuter belt as I couldn’t buy closer to Dublin. Mortgage is around €400 cheaper than what I was paying in rent every month.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:44 AM

    @Seeking Truth: Same situation here, we bought in Dublin when the market had completely bottomed out in 2012, rent for our old place has double since then (recently back up on daft), we were lucky with the timing but high cost of renting prices so many out of buying.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 1:37 AM

    Corrupt corporate governance

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    Mute Joseph Lyons
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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:25 AM

    The dogs on the street know what’s going to happen next. Bank lending rules will be changed to allow borrowers to borrow more to allow them to purchase their own homes. Unfortunately this will cause house prices to rise overnight. Rents won’t come down either.

    Too many people, not enough houses

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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:46 AM

    My family outgrew our very small 2bed house and we have bought a larger family home. The small house is still in negative equity after 12 years so we can’t sell. I am a reluctant landlord. Because of the nearly 50% tax rate to rental income, to break even I need to charge almost double my mortgage amount. That is why some rents are high. Not because I or others are greedy…because I need to break even.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:16 AM

    @KDoyle: You won’t get any sympathy from the anti-landlord brigade here . Maths is n’t their strong point and they are not interested in the difficulties of being a landlord.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:02 PM

    @KDoyle: You dont need to break even you just want to break even. Is not the tenant fault your are in negative equity.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 1:31 PM

    @artur filip: So you would expect every landlord, no matter what their circumstances to let properties at a cost to them? So I pay a mortgage and a bit for the next 30years because I got caught by the balls buying an over valued house in 2007? I should be punished? Seriously, thats the solution?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 3:48 PM

    @KDoyle:

    So you bought a house, and then said “I want a bigger house”, and decide that you’re a poor unfortunate soul when you have to pay for your original house?

    When your tenants have paid off the mortgage on your old house you won’t be “breaking even”, you’ll be making a big fat profit.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 4:20 PM

    @KDoyle: Most small landlords “invest” to have a house(s) to use as a pension or to leave to their kids. Their idea of breaking even is that tenants pay the mortgage over 25 years and they pay nothing themselves. If they have to pay out anything its considered a loss. So after 25 years their pension is fully paid for by tenants. Where else would you get your pension fully paid for by someone else?

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    Nov 12th 2019, 5:35 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: you are missing the point of my original post. I don’t want to be a landlord but I needed to move (64sqm terraced house with two kids, one spare bed). But I also cannot shoulder the negative equity. Once this negative equity is gone it will be sold. So my point is there are various types of landlord. Not all are evil caricatures out to screw the ordinary people.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 5:47 PM

    @KDoyle: You made the decision not to sell your original property and move in to a bigger house. Now you are passing your negative equity on to your tenants. Should they be punished? On the flip side if your older property devalued then you got your bigger property at a relative bargain at the same time. Swings and roundabouts.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:37 AM

    Rather than have the usual tenants v landlords argument while govt sit back why not give some suggestions. Personally I think if there were tax breaks for landlords if they entered into longer term tenancies indexed linked to inflation (so can go down when next recession hits) this would help

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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:19 AM

    @dublindamo: nice idea…but in practice? I am a landlord and I have a pain in the ass with tenants moving in/out. I tried long term contracts and the tenants wouldn’t sign them!

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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:05 AM

    @dublindamo: While I agree with you, giving tax breaks to landlords would be politically unpopular. You only have to look at all the anti-landlord comments on this page to see how that would work out. To give tax breaks to Vulture Funds who pay little tax anyway would be the last straw for most people.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:59 PM

    @John Horan: renting to families with children in early primary school is ideal. Should have them for 8+ years. We rented for 7 years near the primary school and were thankful for long term contracts.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:28 PM

    @Pierre Lecake: the pursuit of politically popular solution of persecuting the landlord hasn’t worked though has it? There was tonnes of accommodation in 2010. I was renting out a 2 bed in Dublin for 925 per month and glad to get it. Then they started cracking down on landlords and the situation for tenants has greatly worsened.

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    Mute Ich bin brendan
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:04 AM

    The vulture funds are feasting while government sit back and allow them to pick the bones of its citizens. FFG have failed us, I despise their cheer leaders.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 5:40 AM

    The solution to this is not to put pressure on government to solve the housing crisis. The solution is to put up wages in areas of high rent & get companies to put pressure on the government to fix it. That’s who they listen to.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:16 AM

    @Mjhint: Zimbabwe

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:21 AM

    Half the landlords income is also taxed

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:14 AM

    @Una Nolan: As a PAYE worker if I do overtime or take on a second job I am taxed at over half my income. Unlike landlords I dont get 100% mortgage interest relief either.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:29 AM

    @Una Nolan: Poor landlords , thats awful… Nearly as bad as being homeless with a family..

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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:13 AM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: Renting is a business and mortgage interest relief is a legitimate business expense. If you work overtime it is highly likely you will be paid. Being a landlord carries the huge risk of tenants not paying their rent and overholding which is basically stealing your property. They are supported in this by Threshold, The RTB and all the left wing politicians. We take financial risks in supplying a needed service but have little or no rights and then pay a fortune in taxes for the privilege. We are talking apples and oranges here Fintan

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:43 AM

    Here we go another boom-bust is hurdling down the tracks, rent rising and no curtailment or support by Government to struggling renters or struggling home owners. The country and Government has not learnt anything.

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:49 AM

    @Joseph Molloy: the next recession will hit soon, that will bring down prices

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    Mute Joseph Lyons
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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:28 AM

    @Joseph Molloy: this is not a problem isolated to Ireland. It’s worldwide

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    Mute MickN
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:30 AM

    @Gus Sheridan: Sooner the better…

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    Mute Darren Sheridan
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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:32 AM

    @Boris Becker: No. No one even accepts HAP. Cop on.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:46 AM

    @Boris Becker: so everyone on HAP is a social sponging scammer? Didn’t you go bankrupt and try a bit of scamming yourself Boris?

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    Mute Keith O'Reilly
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:48 AM

    It’s never going to change until we get rid of FG and FF, who are friends only to builders and developers.

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    Mute Mary Dunphy
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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:35 AM

    Any words of wisdom for one reluctant landlord who was forced to rent property in order to pay the mortgage. Their Tenants consistently made their payments late which put huge strains on the landlord who still has to pay the mortgage on time. The landlord decided there is no option but to sell the property. Because the tenants are in situe more than a year they must by law be given 4 months written notice of the intention to sell the property together with a solicitor’s letter verifying that the house is to be sold.
    The tenants on receipt of the notice of sale of the property discontinued all rent payments. The landlords now legally had to issue an overdue notice, a 14 day notice and then a 28 day notice for tenants to quit the property. Still no response from the tenants, who by now are 2 months in arrears with payments and have cut off all avenues of communication – no response to texts or phone calls.
    The tenants had been informed when the notice that the property was going on the market was delivered that an estate agent would be calling to value the property for sale. They are ignoring all calls from the estate agent. So we have tenants living rent free in the landlord’s property while the landlord must continue to pay the mortgage, house insurance and Revenue and are not able to have the house valued for sale.
    Landlords get the worst word in most people’s mouths. What would those who might be in the position of the above landlord feel if they were that landlord?

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    Mute Pierre Lecake
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    Nov 12th 2019, 3:16 PM

    @Mary Dunphy: You won’t get any sympathy here Mary from the anti landlord brigade. Overholding is theft and should be made a criminal offence with the Guards going in and arresting the offenders.Unfortunately the Housing Charity Industry and left wing politicians are cheerleaders for this type of activity and as all landlords are considered evil there will be no justice for you.

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    Mute Sean
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:33 PM

    @Mary Dunphy: this situation you describe us the reason why landlords are leaving the market. Nobody goes through this ordeal twice.

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    Mute bill2345
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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:10 AM

    It is what it is

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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:34 AM

    @bill2345: it’s great craic altogether.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:28 AM

    @bill2345: Official FG line that…

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    Mute Aga Grandowicz
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    Nov 12th 2019, 6:36 AM

    OK, but for what size and what type of accommodation? A fancy penthouse? A shabby apartment? A 3-bedrooms house? There’s only one size mention – for Cork, and that’s it.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:23 AM

    @Aga Grandowicz: It’s the average of all listings on daft regardless of size

    So long as you’re comparing like for like there’s no reason to break it down by size the purpose is to show % increase in rent year on year

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:03 AM

    We need more unity and social cohesion in this country. We need a “Yes in my backyard” movement to solve this crisis.

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    Mute Full Circle
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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:25 AM

    @sVRCsaSg: It will never happen with the older generations or country folk

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    Mute Timbob Kinky-Boots Dennehy
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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:21 AM

    Rent increases should not be allowed, if you are paying for the landlord’s mortgage.

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    Mute Pierre Lecake
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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:20 AM

    @Timbob Kinky-Boots Dennehy: Pay increases for workers should not be allowed if they are paying their mortgage. See where I’m going with this. By your logic rent increases are ok if the landlord has his mortgage paid off or maybe he does n’t bother pay his mortgage and spends it on good times instead. I weep in despair at these type of comments and you got 4 likes

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    Mute John Fairclough
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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:07 AM

    Yaay

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    Mute Padraic O Sullivan
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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:04 AM

    Captive market. It’s a political pornfest.

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    Mute Piaras
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    Nov 12th 2019, 3:52 AM

    What do you get for the €1,400? Is that for a 2 bed?

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    Mute Shannon Cassidy
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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:31 AM

    @Piaras: a one bed or a studio in some cases in dublin

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    Nov 12th 2019, 3:57 PM

    @Shannon Cassidy:

    Only if by “studio” you mean somebody’s garage. When I tell people in normal european countries about converted garages and sheds being rented as “studio apartmens” they’re shocked, but we just think it’s normal here.

    It’s like how we keep talking about “apartments” which are actually just rooms in houseshares. The stats are fecked, things are much worse than they let on.

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    Mute Dangling Damo
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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:03 PM

    Didn’t we fight the landlord system at the start of the last century, and the ones before that. Oh well same old same old for the poor Irish downtrodden. Rich get richer etc etc etc.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 8:36 AM

    Such greedy landlords and it doesent seem to be slowing down

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    Mute Tom McHugh
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:46 AM

    If the marginal rate of tax is 53% then a person needs to earn €4,260 per month or ~€50,000 per annum to pay for the average rental in Dublin. This means that most people are struggling to survive and savings are impossible to get into the owner’s market (if that is the plan). I would posit that this is untenable and will either turn Ireland into a very high cost economy (ala Switzerland) with little or no benefits. Taking this into account with the impending Brexit impact and the conflicting demands of our burgeoning welfare system, this does not make the prognosis very healthy.

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    Nov 12th 2019, 7:57 AM

    @Darren Sheridan: I did/do

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    Mute Patrick Shaughnessy
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    Nov 12th 2019, 11:23 AM

    For all the people giving out about “greedy” landlords, educate yourselves. My mortgage is 800 euro per month. If I wanted to move and rent my house, I would have to charge over 1,600 just to break even. This is because the government charges the marginal rate of tax on rental income.

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    Mute Raymond Tom
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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:40 AM

    Was there ever a more pointless stat as ‘average rent in Ireland’?

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    Mute Brian Flavin
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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:22 AM

    Wrong €772 in longford that my house to next door rent €1,000 crazy in longford

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    Mute Sean
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:36 PM

    @Brian Flavin: stay off the weed bro

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    Mute Timbob Kinky-Boots Dennehy
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    Nov 12th 2019, 9:25 AM

    I pay tax for landlords and every other non taxpayer, I am a public servant, not a flecking politician, who just talks, that is all a politician does, is talk.
    Until his fat cattle, arrive home.

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    Mute Terrence Edwards
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    Nov 12th 2019, 10:32 AM

    My Mortgage in Rathfarnham is less than the national rent average? Madness.

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    Mute Socky Varadkar
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    Nov 12th 2019, 12:51 PM

    Reasonably priced and affordable

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