Cowards crime aswell, absolute evil

There is a large percentage of posters on here who are completely blind to the atrocities committed by Palestinians\Hamas. Anthony Kelly’s statement is innocuous and true, yet he is overwhelmingly red thumbed and I am sure this post will suffer the same fate!

This crime is unspeakably evil, and so soon after the Jewish terrorist attack in Jerusalem yesterday.
The Israeli government must abide by international law and end the illegal settlements. They are complicit in this nefarious murder.

“extreme right Israeli activists”, there’s really no reason to pretend these people are part of some minority group. “settlers” doesn’t really cover them either, they are actively looting their neighbours. We all saw the face of Israel last summer during the child cull. Like the unionists in NI, hate and violence have become part of their own identity, ignoring that is not going to help.

No it is not ‘the same’ on both sides. One is an illegal occupier, the other is trying to resist the terror.
Hamas have committed war crimes which they must be held accountable for, but that does not mean they’re morally equivalent to a zionist, expansionist state.
This false equivalence is designed to shield Israel from consequences for their illegal and contemptible crimes. The facilitation of these crimes by Western powers is one of its greatest crimes.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html

Thanks to the new era of online journalism these crimes are now reported in some media outlets. The world is becoming aware of the extreme hardship the Palestinians go through daily.

If only it was a lion instead of a child. Then we’d get some real uproar.

Iran-Iraq war: 1 million Arabs killed
Darfur Genocide: 400,000 Arabs killed
Syrian civil war: 300,000 Arabs killed
Yemen: 150,000 Arabs killed (will the journal ever report on this?)
Arab-Israeli conflicts: 116,000 Arabs killed since 1920

Does the journal only care of Jews kill Arabs?

An occupied people (Palestinians) have the moral right to resist peacefully or with arms the illegal occupation of their country by settler apartheid nut jobs. Viva Palestina.

Jews are indigenous to the area and Israel was around a lot longer than Palestine, so I’m not too sure what you mean by calling Palestinians occupied people

ANother. ..save your breath, the pond life are out from under their rocks, where they hide until an Israel article appears, then they appear like flies around poo!

Israel since 1948??? Duh.

Most Jews there are indigenous to Poland Lithuania Russia Moldova The USA.

AN Other that’s grand as long as they’re indigenous. Lets put a blockade on the border to Northern Ireland, try to annihilate them to build houses in South tyrone. Sure if anyone says anything the wooden planks will speak up for us and veto any action at the UN

@IrelandMMA Approx 2015 years ago Roman scriptures spoke of a man named Jesus Christ born in Israel so stick your 1948 back where it came from

@John Shaft I’m not sure what point you’re making northern Ireland isn’t in the middle East

@Anthony Kelly. You’re so right Anthony and sadly it looks like it’s gonna get much worse when we look at what Hamas is doing in Gaza.,ie.,violating UN law giving military training to kids(25,000 kids) and hardening the hearts against all their fellow human beings with instruction in Sharia law telling them not to make friends among the ‘infidels. (See full article from link below).

However there’s one brave voice, below, who does speak out- so let us wish her well!

–”Only a few Palestinians have dared to speak out against Hamas’s exploitation of children. Palestinian activist Eyad al-Atal criticized Hamas for “depriving an entire generation of Palestinians of their childhood.” He said that apart from creating new supporters of the Islamic State, the military training of the children was in violation of human rights principles.
Addressing the Hamas leaders, the al-Atal said: “Teach your children how to play, how to smile, how to rejoice. Build for them an institution for education and entertainment that would raise them on the love of Palestine and not how to get themselves killed.—”
–http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6259/hamas-camps-child-abuse
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Firstly Jewish people are not homogeneous. There are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian, Convert Jews etc Secondly not all Israelis are Jews and there are Arab, Druze, Baha’i, Christian and other people living in Israel. Thirdly, the modern state of Israel, as defined by the border of 1967 and its citizens are not the same as the Israel and Israelites of the old testament. A recent article did show that for many Jewish people who were genetically linked to the land had Arab Palestinians as their closest genetic relatives.

Finally, Palestine is occupied by definition under International Law and by historical fact. When Israel was founded in 1948 it was preceded by the promise of “A land without a people for a people without a land” despite the fact that there were millions of people living, cultivating and thriving on that land. Following 1948 there were numerous conflicts but in 1967 there was an internationally agreed Armistice line that makes up the 1967 border that is the modern, agreed border between Israel and Occupied Palestine. All encroachments of land beyond this point represent illegal annexation in violation of international law.

Internationally Occupied Palestine is recognised an under occupation. Under the Geneva conventions an occupying power cannot move its own people onto the land it occupies. Which means that Israel is in violation of internation law by providing incentives, protection and support to settlers encroaching, stealing and destroying Palestinian lands. Under the same Geneva Convention (IV) an occupying power cannot displace the occupants of the occupied land which is violated by the forced displacement and demolition of Bedouin and Palestinian communities repeatedly.

It looks like you should read up on your history, both of the Jewish Diaspora and of the foundation of the modern state of Israel and the Israel/Palestine conflict. You have a lot to learn.

There’s always a narrative in comments on stories that involve Israel and occupied Palestine where people are apparently expected to denounce every single wrong action by anyone on any side. We’ve seen plenty of comments where people have actually done that – where people have acknowledged that “Israel” and “Jewish” are not synonymous, that while Gaza is a prison, Hamas also deserve criticism.

It doesn’t seem to matter if you acknowledge that no side is acting as examples of peace – some people will never accept criticism and never actually allow a conversation to happen because they will almost viciously defend the side they have chosen and acknowledge no reasonable criticism. It’s always the way here – it always turns into “why don’t you criticise this….” and assumptions are made that not making a comprehensive statement of position on anything and everything that has happened worldwide means that someone must be some kind of evil. It’s been said a lot on this site – and it doesn’t allow for anything other than pathetic points scoring.

@Freebetcitydotcom Mike.
—’Hamas – Human Shield Confession:Hamas leader uses children,women,elderly as human shields admission.
YOU TUBE VIDEO/SHORT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

Patrick, you claim “jew hatred” in pretty much every comment you make on the journal – several people have already acknowledged deserved criticism of Hamas.
You often ask people for their criticism of terrorists and have in the past pointed at the lack of it as some kind of indication of their motivation – If that’s the case, how have you made several comments on here; in a story about a child being murdered, without once criticising or condemning this disgusting murder?

@Tony Canning. Because like most commentators I greent-humb those who have made such comments and feel that adequate. And when you make a similar comment I’l green-thumb it too.

yet you expect a lot more from people who disagree with your point.

Not Arab deaths in Iran/Iraq or Darfur- Muslim yes, but not Arab. Seeing as how we are striving for the correct terminology to be used.

Stay classy Alan trolling on the death of a baby

Richard how am I trolling? I’m giving some much needed perspective to some of the anti-Isreal and pro-Muslim fanatics on this site. The baby’s death is a tragedy

Hamas are in charge in Gaza, a coastal enclave separated from the rest of Israel and The Palestinian territories by miles of razor wire, watchtowers and landmined areas. The majority of Palestinian territory is ruled by the IDF, under Israeli military law, with civil matters run by the Palestinian National Authority (Fatah party) in area A (3% of the west Bank) and some oversight in area B (25% of the west bank).

The Palestinian people are stateless and prisoners for the most part, as such there is no ‘Palestine,’ and The Hamas are not the democratically elected rulers of it.

Tragedy? Cold blooded murder more like.

Political points scoring over the murder of a baby is the least classy thing a person can do Alan.

Alan you don’t have to bring to bring your views into this. A toddler has just died. Imagine if that was your son or daughter.

Patrick are you blind to fact that Gazas’ border with Egypt is no different to the Israeli border!

@ alan: “Hamas (the democraticly elected rulers of Palestine) being one example”

Hamas won the election in Gaza. They are not the ‘democratically elected rulers of palestine’ or anything of the sort.

“I’m giving some much needed perspective to some of the anti-Isreal and pro-Muslim fanatics on this site.”

No. You gave a blatantly false statement and presented it as fact. That is not ‘giving perspective’.

No retiring at all on the Yemen disaster, yet one baby gets killed in Palestine and its headline news…

No reporting rather, my apologies for autocorrect

@Alan White. Well said Alan. Hamas who callously smothered to death over 200 kids used as slave labour
building Hamas’s terror tunnels and who is right now preparing the next generation of child suicide bombers by instilling hatred of Jews and promises of eternal joy with the 75 ‘Virgins’.

Mother tries to make wild claim that what was in the child’s bottle was milk and not petrol

John, knowing Hamas and Boko Haram, it could well be petrol unfortunately..

Boko Haram? What have they got to do with anything?

Seamus, well he was saying sarcasticly that the baby had pretrol bomb, and I was just pointing out that Hamas (you know the democraticly elected extremeist rulers of Palestinine) and Boko Haram (with whom Hamas has links) have in fact used children as suicide bombers.

WTF do Boko have to do with Israel/Palestine!

60s rock band

It must be a lonely existence that takes to trolling toddler deaths Alan?

@Alan White. Boko Haram also are officially liked up to ISIS and now going under the Islamic State of West Africa. ISIS last month murdered 5 women in the street outside their homes for refusing to allow ISIS to take them away to be child soldiers. No outrage here for that! Or for the 4 kids decapitated by ISIS for refusing “to follow Mohammed’. Obviously these incidents can’t tap into the Jew-hatred.
Four Iraqi Christian kids beheaded after refusing to convert …
http://www.barenakedislam.com/…/four-iraqi-christian-kids-beheaded-after-ref…;

In assure you, I’m outraged by that

@Le Tigre. Your expression of outrage for those children is laudable . I wish there were more outrage for all those children caught up in conflicts. After all, all children are the same regardless.

PJOC – haven’t seen your condemnation of this ugly episode of “Jewish Terrorism” as Bibi put it.

Can we hope to see it soon?

@Mr BF.— I condemn all acts of terror especially where they involve children such as this latest in Israel yesterday by ‘terrorists’ as Netanyahu calls them.
I, and many others, see terror regularly on video perpetrated mostly by Islamo-Fascists.
I especially feel for the 200 kids who suffocated to death building Hamas’s Terror Tunnels in Hamas’s maniacal drive to genocide the Jews. Haven worked in the mines for ten yrs. I know what it is like when the lights go out;and I can imagine what was going on in the minds of those kids trapped in total darkness unable to breath the dust -filled air and with no-one to help.
Meanwhile Hamas leaders lived it up, in luxury hotels, in Doha, in Terror -state Qatar- unconcerned with the suffering they caused.
This won’t be the case in Israel. The family will be looked after and the perpetrators,whoever they may be, will be punished.

And you just have to go and belittle what you call an apology by going on about Hamas. Hamas, as we all know are evil and do horrible things to the palestinians. But there was no need for them to be mentioned here – as they were not involved this time.

The US frequently uses its veto power on the UN Security Council to block resolutions that condemn Israel and moves to rwcognise the Palistinians right to exist. And the coeardly Isralis hide behind them. It’s disgusting. They are as bad as each other

*cowardly

Jurgen. I fully agree with you that it’s a volatile and often hostile region. Big question is why is that the case? Wouldn’t be anything to do with kicking people out of their homes and off their lands now would it? But I don’t think the Americans would agree with that behaviour …..oh hang on. . ..Apache crow Navaho Cherokee!!!

You must have a different definition of the word ‘Ally’ than most of us.

John S, I have to say that yes the US does use its Sec Council veto in that way. Sometimes its justified, more times it’s not. Yes the US needs to be more even handed but the ME regional circumstances dictate Israeli considerations come first.
I’d like to see a two state solution, it’s the only way. But to me neither the current leadership in Israel, or the PA and Hamas are willing to make the necessary compromises.
And Israel are cowards? They saw off numerous Arab armies since 1948 – often unfair, harsh or excessive in their responses yes, but cowards no.

John C, you have a valid point but when I say region I mean the entire ME. The region where right now there is effectively a civil war between various sets of Muslims. The casualties, displacement and geopolitical ramifications of the conflict in Syria and Iraq are huge and dwarf the Israel
/Palestine conflict. Yet Israel Palestine gets disproportinate attention.
Your reference to Native Americans – true, but there were also plenty of Irish (like many Europeans) that settled westwards, served in the army that destroyed those peoples.

jurgen…..answer to the first part of your reply…… watch the movie “Wag the dog” you can stream it online from all the usual places. second part of your comment….yes they were born in Ireland or another country but that is the case with all Americans excluding native tribes so your excuse in trying to pass the blame doesn’t hold water. Better to accept your history of barbarism to your own and other people’s rather than try to avoid it.

Eh, I watched the movie in the 90′s when it came out John. I’m well aware of it thanks. My point still stands – Muslims are killing Muslims in numbers that dwarf Israel Palestine.
Secondly, not trying to pass any blame John. Colonial and US Govt policy clearly drove the Native Americans to near extinction, along with pressures from settlors and soldiers. Many of these were European 1st gen, more were descendants with a memory of persecution in their own lands.
I constantly hear how the proud claim that the Irish ‘built America’. Some of that may be true but if so they also contributed in less constructive ways, as I mentioned. They were 1st, 2nd 3rd gen yet are appropriated as Irish. Take the less attractive parts of Irish emigration as well as the other stuff – I’m sure you would be very quick to point out US negatives.

Jurgen
1. What ME circumstances dictate that Israeli considerations come first?
2. What are the considerations you mention?
3. Why?

1. John, as I said Israel is our most reliable ally in this volatile and strategic region. This is the broadest ME circumstance I am talking about. The protection of our ally Israel therefore comes first, trumping practically all others. Israel is surrounded by unfriendly and hostile states and it is US foreign policy to maintain the qualitative edge of Israels military that enables it to defeat any or all of its potential enemies.

2. The Israeli considerations are always security from their enemies or potential enemies. The Iran deal, despite what Bibi says is actually good for Israel. Obama is acting in Israels interest and the wider ME.

3. Why? Answer above. We need Israel as an ally and they need us. Again, most Americans are sympathetic to an isolated, not perfect, but a thriving democratic Israel. Intelligence, counter terrorism, defence technology and economic benefits all factor.

Entire books have been written on the subject so I can’t address everything about the US Israel alliance. But despite Obama and Bibi despising each other the alliance is rock solid. I expect Hilary to continue this if and when she wins next year.

Ok I got it now. The US condone the slaughter and dehumanisation of Palestinians and are happy to support it and ensure it continues because it’s in its best interests.

It’s hard to believe that this is the same country outraged by whats happening in the Ukraine.

Jurgen, There is little doubt that the US is the world super power.The problem is that you do consider yourselves to be also the world police. All a bit rich coming from a country that wouldn’t allow some of it’s own citizens to choose where they wanted to sit on the bus up until the mid 1960s.

What compromises should the Palestinians make? Seriously. They have been wiped off the map by the ethnic cleansing Zionist nut jobs and your country backs it’s apartheid racist policies. America is just a parody itself.

John C , I agree. No excuse ever for segregation and racism. But that was the 60’s and in law at least that is forbidden. Racism is still a problem, never claimed the US is perfect – far from it.

John S, the US supports a two state solution and we also view settlements as illegal. Obama has been clear on that. The realpolitik means support for Israel makes it less likely the US will pressure Israel.
Regarding other conflicts and hypocrisy, you have a valid point. For example you might recall the Yugoslav civil war went on and on and European states such as Ireland and Britain did little or nothing. It took American military and diplomatic power to end it. I can never see neutral Ireland having the inclination, balls or ability to intervene. Peacekeeping is great, but perhaps Ireland could do more in future and show the US the way.
Also I sincerely hope you feel the same level of outrage and compassion as you show for Palestinians, for the 220k plus killed in Syria or for the 5 million plus killed in the Congo civil war. Hypocrisy is not the preserve of the US John, it’s everywhere and when I read articles such as this the level of invective against Israel and the US is always high, it is just not repeated in articles against those responsible for conflicts such as those I mentioned. Little interest where the US or Israel is not to blame – if even conflicts in Africa get an article.

Really

Carlin the Israeli’s totally disengaged from Gaza and removed all Jewish settlements and also removed a certain amount of settlements in the West Bank back in 2005 and granted autonomy.

What did they get for their troubles but a militant ruling Palestinian body in the shape of Hamas which done nothing to alleviate the mistrust the Israeli’s have about the Palestinians true motives.

This was a huge step in the quest for peace by Israel but of course the useful idiots for Palestine will simply ignore this as it doesn’t fit well with their populist banner of condemning evil evil Israel at every opportunity.

Well said William. Ignorant commentators on here simply don’t know their history, or conveniently forget sections of it that don’t back up their pro Hamas agenda.

That’s total crap William. They took extra land in the West Bank and withdrew from the most worthless areas. They didn’t make a total withdrawal from illegally occupied land. Coincidently the land the kept had access to water supply.
Let’s not pull punches here. Zionism is basically Russian immigrants fleeing the Tzars programs who took it upon themselves to take over the country they fled too. Their mantra of a people with no country to a country with no people has been proven time and time again to be utterly false. The argument that God promised them the land is laughable.
If a group of Russians came to Ireland claiming a right to the land because they are the dependents of pagans who ruled the roost over a thousand years ago, we would laugh at them!

What history Alan. Pick a point! Or let’s start with Herzl himself. Show me where Israel has moral ground.
Hamas agenda. Hamas are a bunch of muppets. A pure reactionary organisation to Israeli cruelty.

Carlin you’re latching onto the past thats not going to solve anything, the fact is Israel exists today and it won’t be going anywhere.

It seems Israel is not as bad as you useful idiots like proclaim,

Palestinian journalist Majed Azzam wrote: “We should have the courage to acknowledge the truth… The [only] thing that prevents the chaos and turmoil in Gaza from spreading to the West Bank is the presence of the Israeli occupation [in the West Bank]… [as opposed to] its absence from the Gaza Strip.”

Bassem Al-Nabris, a Palestinian poet from Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip, wrote: “If a there was a referendum in the Gaza Strip [on the question of] ‘would you like the Israeli occupation to return?’ half the population would vote ‘yes’… But in practice, I believe that the number of those in favor is at least 70%, if not more – [a figure] much higher than is assumed by the political analysts and those who follow [events]. For the million and a half people living in this small region, things have [simply] gone too far – in practice, not just as a metaphor. [It did not begin] with the internal conflicts, but even earlier, in the days of the previous Palestinian administration, which was corrupt and did not give the people even the tiniest [ray of] hope. The fundamentalist forces which came into power [after it] also promised change and reform, but [instead, people] got a siege, with no security and no [chance of] making a living… If the occupation returns, at least there will be no civil war, and the occupier will have a moral and legal obligation to provide the occupied people with employment and food, which they now lack.”

William. You can’t ignore or move on from history if you want to ethically resolve a conflict.
Israel is an absolutely beautiful country and with lots of really nice people (don’t mention the war. Even liberals in Israel can be funny about such things as entitlement to land)
You can have a wonderful time swanning around in trendy Coffey shops and bars in TV or even working on a pretentious Kibbutz. It’s like staying in Fox Rock for a few months and then saying you know about Dublin.
Go to Hebron, Gaza what’s left of Palestinian areas in Jerusalem or stand with the protestors in Bilin.
Move on from history. That attitude only serves the Israelis.

William it’s about a baby being burnt to death show a bit of cop on

Richard its also about putting a bit of balance to years old conflict, now if say Palestinians broke into an Israeli settlers house and stabbed the entire family to death (which did happen btw) why do I get the feeling you would be all on here condemning in your usual roundabout way?, that every Palestinian atrocity is somehow justifiable but if a callous act is carried out by Israeli’s you all flock to the article almost like men and women possessed in your haste to condemn evil Israel, using ridiculous words like genocide and making comparisons to the Nazi’s which is just pure BS, but I suppose if you say black is white often enough you will start to believe it?

That’s a great point William. Had this been an israeli child who was killed by Palestinians, the journal.ie would be full of commentators saying how this death is Israels fault for it’s history. You couldn’t make it up!

@carlin, agreed…….didn’t mean to tar all with 1 brush but this article makes the blood boil!

There was an election recently, the Israeli people chose to stay on this path, they backed their warmongering chief in a “massive victory”. The majority want to continue the violence, they gave their leader a mandate for it.

Are you a holocaust denier John Curry? Are you that stupid?

@Ahren Boache. Here’s a couple of quotes from Hamas Charter you might like.
HAMAS CHARTER.
—”Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).—”
AND.
–”"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.—”
AND
————-=======The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement—————————————————————
—”Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.—”

Objectives