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Brian Cahn

'What're you gonna do?' Democrats united on Trump, but divided by race, healthcare and drugs

The 10 Democratic candidates debated each other as impeachment hearings into Trump’s dealings with Ukraine rumbled on.

DIVIDES BETWEEN DEMOCRATS vying to challenge President Donald Trump in the 2020 election were laid bare in a combative debate last night, as the campaign’s rising star Pete Buttigieg acknowledged he faced challenges in attracting black voters.

Buttigieg, the contest’s youngest candidate who occupies the same moderate lane as frontrunner Joe Biden, offered a unifying message as a way to bring Democrats and Republicans toward a broad political middle.

Democrats can seize a majority on issues like immigration and guns “if we can galvanize, not polarize that majority,” Buttigieg told the debate in Georgia.

But after an opening phase dominated by talk of impeachment of Trump, participants in the fifth Democratic debate locked horns over the costly universal healthcare programme supported by liberal senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Buttigieg said:

I believe that commanding people to accept that option, whether we wait three years as Senator Warren has proposed or whether you do it right out of the gate is not the right approach to unify the American people around a very, very big transformation that we now have an opportunity to deliver.

Former vice president Biden also took aim at the trillion-dollar reform, saying it would be wiser to build on existing Obamacare and provide a public option.

“The fact is that right now the vast majority of Democrats do not support Medicare for All,” Biden said.

Biden is the face of the Democratic Party establishment and is the current frontrunner. He turned 77 yesterday and appeared to stumble over his words on several occasions, including during his opening remarks.

Buttigieg, the military veteran mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who at 37 is less than half Biden’s age, sought to paint himself as a young outsider who should be elected commander-in-chief despite his slender resume.

“I get it’s not traditional establishment Washington experience, but I would argue we need something very different right now,” Buttigieg, mayor of a small city in Indiana, told his rivals.

But when pressed by Senator Kamala Harris, the only black woman in the race, about his low polling among African-American voters, Buttigieg acknowledged he had yet to convince one of the party’s most important constituencies.

“I welcome the challenge of connecting with black voters in America who don’t yet know me,” said Buttigieg, the first major openly-gay US presidential candidate.

While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the colour of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country.

Biden leads in national polling, followed by Warren and Sanders.

But Buttigieg has cracked into the top tier in the past month, and now tops the polls in Iowa which stages the first nomination contest in February.

Warren was the candidate to watch last month but her campaign has plateaued.

She has made headway by pledging to end a system that she described during the debate as working “better for… the rich and well-connected, and worse and worse for everyone else.

“I’m tired of freeloading billionaires,” she said.

As the 10 qualifying candidates rumbled in their nationally televised showdown, dominating the political discourse is the high-stakes impeachment hearings into Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

Democrats accuse Trump of conditioning military aid and a White House meeting on Kiev’s announcing investigations of Biden and his son Hunter, who worked with a Ukrainian energy company while his father was vice president.

But some candidates warned that obsessing over the president could sabotage Democrats’ efforts.

“We cannot simply be consumed by Donald Trump,” Sanders said. “Because if we are, you know what? We’re going to lose the election.”

Trump ‘punked’ 

With attention directed at Capitol Hill, the debate run-up has been low-key.

But candidates lept at the chance to critique Trump’s foreign policy on North Korea and Saudi Arabia.

Harris landed a sharp blow, saying Trump “got punked” by North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un.

One of the most heated exchanges came when Buttigieg ridiculed long-shot candidate Tulsi Gabbard for meeting “a murderous dictator” like Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad as the mild-mannered mayor snapped back at criticism over recent comments on Mexico.

There were lighter moments too. Senator Cory Booker, known for his moral calls to action, used humor to upbraid Biden for recently saying he opposed legalizing marijuana nationally.

“I thought you might have been high when you said it,” said Booker, who went on to declare that America’s war on drugs has been “a war on black and brown people.”

Senator Amy Klobuchar, entrepreneur Andrew Yang and investor-turned-activist Tom Steyer rounded out the contenders.

The field may soon expand to include billionaire businessman and former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg who has recently filed ballot paperwork in two states.

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    Mute Paul P O'Sullivan
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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:36 AM

    Haloween and St Patricks Day – two great days we exported. Not bad for a little rock in the Atlantic.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:50 AM

    @Paul P O’Sullivan: Thats not all! What about kn#cker drinking, Clancy Fuel Merchant GAA jerseys, the requirement for subtitles for people talking in English on Bondi Rescue, Frosted Lucky Charms, clapping on Airplanes, the list goes on

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:16 AM

    @Paul P O’Sullivan: Patricks day we can claim, though we are not the country who celebrate it the most.

    Halloween may have been originally Irish, but the way we celebrate it has nothing to do with Ireland. And most people think it is an American holiday, which is not entirely untrue. Witches, dressing up, trick or treating are all American. There is no Irish part to it.

    The saddest part is that if you want to celebrate either properly you go abroad.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:19 AM

    @Andy K: Why would you have to go abroad to ‘celebrate them properly’? Don’t quite understand what you mean by that.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:32 AM

    @O Swetenham: because Bonfires are now illegal. Because Catholicism equated anything not for their God as a Sin.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:44 AM

    @Shannon Mcg: so no bonfires and Catholicism are the reason we can’t celebrate Halloween and St Patrick’s day, and have to venture abroad to experience them “properly”? Sorry, but that makes no sense.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:39 AM

    @O Swetenham: Bonfires are a TRADITIONAL SAMHAIN celebration that was to represent bringing light back to the dark times, to give power back to the sun, to light the way for souls that were lost. With the ban on bonfires, that means a traditional celebration is now illegal here.

    Catholicism made Halloween/Samhain into a watered down holiday. Originally, you would do Divination and leave offerings to Spirits but that was considered Witchcraft and was outlawed under Catholic rule.

    I never mentioned Paddys day.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 5:01 PM

    @Andy K: No country celebrates Patrick’s day more than ireland, certainly not per head. Halloween has Celtic/Christian origins, you learn something new everyday. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:38 PM

    @Andy K:
    Off you go so, we’ll definitely miss you.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:57 AM

    We, along with Scottish exiles, exported a custom that is now practised by children of all ethnic backgrounds in North America (don’t forget Canada – but the Eskimos don’t do Halloween.) However, in Ireland today many children, abetted by parents, imitate American echoes instead of adhering to the púca origins. The same pickup on American echoes has been happening with St. Patrick’s Day. The Irish-Americans invented the Patrick’s Day parade in order to assert themselves against racial denigration; but nowadays it’s developed into razzmatazz showbiz, funny paddyhats, painted faces and exaggerated pre patrician ‘celtic’ mythological creatures dragged laboriously through main streets. There is a cultural forgetting and a slavish imitation of American kultur. It is found in many other aspects of Irish life today – speech, dress, popular music, attitudes to traditional beliefs, television and literary references. The words of Polonius to his departing son Laertes are worth quoting:

    This above all: to thine own self be true,
    And it must follow, as the night the day,
    Thou canst not then be false to any man.
    Farewell. My blessing season this in thee.

    Hamlet 1:3

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:05 AM

    @Garreth Byrne: If we are to follow your advice (and to our own selves be true), can you kindly outline what version of Ireland and its culture you feel is appropriate? People and cultures evolve.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:16 AM

    @Olllie B: I’m in a dressing gown at the moment. As soon as I get dressed it’s a good walk for me. Enjoy this autumnal day. Read Keats’s poem, To Autumn.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:18 AM

    @Garreth Byrne:
    The day it went full Americano was when – “help the Halloween party” was finally replaced with “Trick or treat”
    Next thing you know we’ll be giving out candy instead of sweets. And don’t try handing out fruit or nuts to kids now days they’ll look at you as if you have 10 bleedin heads.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:20 AM

    @Honeybadger197: Cultures evolve, yes. Cultures also degrade. Cultures disappear and are replaced. I’ll let you try to work out what kind of Ireland and what kind of culture is ‘appropriate’. Maybe another thread, after we’ve enjoyed the Bank Holiday.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:49 PM

    @Garreth Byrne: love that Hamlet quote at the end. Great comment too.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:38 AM

    First world complaint.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:49 AM

    @John Michalski: Should we let our traditions and culture die?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:51 AM

    @Mary Murphy: Depends on whether they’re good or bad.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:18 AM

    @Mary Murphy: Our traditions and culture? What part that is left is Irish? The holiday is purely American culture and tradition. Just like your christmas dinner.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:29 AM

    @Andy K: Yes it has become Americanised (you called it a holiday????), but unless people like the author if this piece stand up we will completely lose our identity and traditions. I for one hope that Starbucks and McDonald’s don’t take over the world.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:33 AM

    @Mary Murphy: Already have

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:03 AM

    @John Michalski: actually a third world complaint about becoming a first world cultural change. Like Irish, there is no implicit need for Halloween or st Patrick’s (unlike music and dancing), so it has to evolve to it’s current commercial state (like the Dutch Santa) to become popular.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:20 AM

    @Gary Mason: not my world. I still eat and drink local food wherever I go. I will support local industries and jobs and do everything I can to keep them going.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:48 AM

    Complete horse … Who is the editor on this site ???

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:51 AM

    @Paul Maher: ahh Paul, why the long face?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:56 AM

    @Paul Maher: I agree. What’s wrong with a young boy dressing up as superman instead of a skeleton, or a girl dressing up as a princess instead of a witch, if that’s what they want to do and so long as they have fun doing it? Author here sounds like a miserable you know what to me. Would he really refuse to let one of his own girls dress up like that if that’s what her friends were doing and what she wanted to do too?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:05 AM

    @Paul Maher: the editor is cholly appleseed

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:15 AM

    @Michael Geraghty: Id reply if yours wasn’t an alias …

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:29 AM

    @Jumperoo: yes, because we couldn’t possibly prevent and deny the precious little ones from getting and doing what THEY want all of the time, everything and everyone else be damned.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 1:38 PM

    @☘️: are you the author, or just answering the question? Either way, I’m not talking about letting them do absolutely everything they want, absolutely all the time. I’m just asking what’s wrong in letting them choose their own costume for a bit of dress up fun. As for everything and everyone else be damned – does that not also work the other way? I.E. you (author?) Say child and child’s choice of costume be damned, and you (author?) tell them the only kind of costume they can wear instead?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 5:36 PM

    @Jumperoo: Didn’t read the article because it’s not newsworthy .

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:26 AM

    No it wouldn’t have died out here

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:49 AM

    @Dermot Lane: Care to back up your point with some examples and facts? Lúnasa celebrations, the Wren Day traditions for Stephens Day and various other customs mostly died out. What makes you think Halloween would have been so durable?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:34 AM

    Has always been strong in West of Ireland and the country treats Samhain as a national holiday with kids off school. They don’t get that in America! The old Jack O’Lanterns that you can see in Turlough House country museum in Castlebar carved out of turnips are a lot scarier than the American pumpkins. But pumpkins are easier carve. The American Halloween has not changed all that much.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:22 AM

    TBH I don’t know most kids that know at my door, not because how they are dressed but because they don’t live in my estate. There are rich pickings to be had so parents drive their kids/teens come from far and wide to take advantage. Once our estate is hit, they move on to the next one.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:41 PM

    @Lily:
    Don’t be such a misery. Welcome all the kids no matter where they might come from.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:11 AM

    If Hallowe’en had not survived me for one would have gave 0 FuKCs

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:49 AM

    It is perhaps because we do not get weather extreme as a normal part of the seasons that the swings in daylight and darkness throughout the year has more relevance for us than the States where their seasons are built around weather. With Easter dates varying from year to year, St Patrick’s day was closest to the Equinox and cultures have eventually adopted it as a Spring festival. Our body clock registers February as the beginning of Spring and a really tangible feel for more daylight just as we now experience nature shutting down for the dormant period of winter (Samhain/November). Behind all the masks and traditions are the necessary adjustments we make or suffer the consequences as known through seasonal affective disorder or the body’s response in the same way our bodies respond to the daily wake/sleep cycle.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:43 AM

    Many of these folklore types are miseries. What is wrong with kids dressing up they way they want to and enjoying themselves? They are actually honouring this old tradition their way, which is the way it should be and is essential if these traditions are to progress.
    Maybe the writer would prefer if they wore rags and had holes in their shoes, or no shoes at all as in the past.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:21 AM

    What utter nonsense. Halloween is ours and always has been. Our new year begins tomorrow, enjoy. Halloween has been around forever, the USA just a few hundred years, this writer needs to get some perspective.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 4:04 PM

    Great article. We are buying back our own mangled custom from America. Our should protect our cultural heritage better than that.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:09 AM

    What a cranky crappy article

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    Oct 31st 2017, 12:00 AM

    It would have survived look at Irelands Own, it would have been a sub culture except for the tricks and fireworks?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:32 AM

    Great time of year for flashers and criminals

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:00 AM

    @Johnny Hihats: Absolutely!! I wouldn’t answer the door to an adult in disguise mask and all!!

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