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A sunset in Dublin's Docklands. RollingNews.ie

Should Dublin get a high-rise skyline? Maybe, but not to solve the housing crisis

New guidelines are going to push our cities higher – but is that the best way to house our growing population?

IT IS OFT repeated as a quick solution to the housing crisis: Dublin needs to build up, not out. Dublin’s skyline is too low, we’re not making the most of the space that we have.

The average height of a building in Dublin city centre is four to six storeys, with buildings being around two to three storeys in the suburbs and heights gradually decreasing as you move away from the city.

Although Dublin is described as being low-rise, it’s almost a third lower than Paris – which is also categorised as a low-rise city. Even when refraining from comparing Dublin with cities in the US and Australia – which have the advantage of population planning and less buildings in need of historical protection – it still trails behind other European cities’ building heights.

Developers have accused local authorities of being too conservative in adjudicating on whether planning applications for buildings up to 20 or 30 storeys high should be permitted – even in specific areas where higher buildings are allowed, like the Docklands.

To tackle this, Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government Eoghan Murphy released new guidelines where he dramatically shifts what has been the norm until now. He called for councils to lift “overly restrictive maximum heights” and encouraged authorities to “actively pursue” taller buildings, particularly in the “main centres of the city” so as to indicate the most activity within a city.

452 Minister Murphy opened Focus Ireland new 31 unit_90570648 Housing Eoghan Murphy today officially opened Focus Ireland’s new 31 unit development at John’s Lane West. Sasko Lazarov / RollingNews.ie Sasko Lazarov / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

In the foreword of the guidelines, he makes the emotive argument: “Our cities and our towns must grow upwards, not just outwards, if we are to meet the many challenges ahead. Constant expansion of low-density suburban development around our cities and towns cannot continue.” 

The guidelines state that continued sprawl would lead to increasing costs of both infrastructure, and “the energy-intensive transport systems needed to feed it”.

There are serious and unsustainable carbon emission implications due to increased commuting distances to the city and town centres, never mind the sheer waste of time in travelling, when instead we could be living.

In this week’s episode of our Ireland 2029 podcast, we looked at whether Dublin should be given an iconic high-rise skyline, examining the reasons against doing so, how much it would cost – and what it would change about our city if we did build upwards.

tower cranes 819_90570236 Cranes in Dublin city. Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

Currently, the maximum height for buildings in Dublin city is 60 metres. Liberty Hall, for example, is 59.4 metres tall, squeezing in under that limit. Other local authorities have different height limits, which Murphy had previously called “arbitrary”.

There are other areas of the city that allow for taller structures, however, called Strategic Development Zones (SDZ). They’re located in the Docklands, George’s Quay, and areas around Heuston and Connelly stations – away from the historic core of the city.  

“I don’t think you’d be building high-rise in the historic core,” Paul O’Brien, chair of Henry J Lyons Architects, told us. “I don’t think that that is appropriate.”

“But [it should be in] areas with really good rail networks, really good transportation systems, so the Docklands, Heuston, Connolly … They’re all areas that should be developed for high-rise. But then you’d have to assess each of these areas, and each building within these areas … in terms of visual impact that they’re not impacting on the historic core.”

johnny-ronan-3-3-390x285 A mock-up from planners of what it will look like. Dublin City Council Dublin City Council

Lyons is the architect behind the Tara Street building proposed by Company Tanat Ltd – run by high-profile Celtic Tiger developer Johnny Ronan – which has been given the green light after a two-year attempt to get it approved. 

It will be 88 metres high and have 22 storeys when it’s complete, making it the tallest building in Ireland (Dublin’s tallest tower is currently Capital Dock, which is currently among the tallest at 79 metres).

The plans included a 110-bedroom hotel and a rooftop bar.

Fear of heights

After approval for the Tara Street building was given, Dublin city officer with An Taisce Kevin Duff said that the decision was “gravely erroneous” and that the tower would be “a massive intrusion on the established character of the city”.

Elaborating on that point, he said: “This new building will be almost directly opposite the Custom House, and in winter time, you’re going to have a shadow crawling the facade of the Custom House. It will also be highly visible from Trinity College, which is just at the end of the street, and from O’Connell Bridge, and from College Green also – it will stick up like a sore thumb.”

Image from iOS George's Quay Plaza from Fairview. Nicky Ryan / TheJournal.ie Nicky Ryan / TheJournal.ie / TheJournal.ie

He said that there was no issue with the building itself but with the placement of it, whether it blends in with the rest of the streetscape.

Duff continued: “The civilised approach would be to protect the scale, character and skyline of the inner city, and you locate high-rise buildings outside where they won’t impact on the historic core.

There’s a lot of talk about the skyline … what skyline means really is not so much the view of the city across the rooftops, but the feel and the scale of the streets, the consistent scale and character of Dublin’s historic streets.

‘Enormous knock-on effect’ 

Orla Hegarty, assistant professor at UCD’s School of Architecture, Planning and Environmental Policy, said that it was “a mistake to think that it’s either sprawl or high-rise”.

There has been a lot of work done over a lot of years on how to do that sustainably, how to gradually build up the city, which locations are appropriate for taller buildings, and what capacity there is in the city now as it stands.

Hegarty said that high-rise builds cost more to construct and use more energy to transport people, water, and electricity to its top floors; meaning they can cost more to buy and maintain. Because of this, private developers are more likely to propose offices, hotels, and high-end apartments for construction, rather than affordable housing.

She also argued that high-rises take longer to build, meaning that if there were to be another financial crash, tall builds could be abandoned half-built. 

“If we were to decide tomorrow that every vacant site in Dublin could have a high-rise vacant tower on it,” Hegarty said, “the knock-on effect would be enormous”.

We would see land values skyrocket in those locations. We would see developers in a long process of looking for approval and finance … [And] if you suddenly put 1,000 families in one building, where do their children go to school? That may not have been planned for.

Dublin Stock Niall Carson / PA Images Niall Carson / PA Images / PA Images

Gary Cooper of Henry J Lyons Architects said: “When we look at other cities around Europe, each of these cities have a historic core, and then they acknowledge specific zones for development, we’re not talking high-rise – we’re talking mid-rise…”

For Dublin to be competitive in the future, I think it’s extremely important that we need to make living and working opportunities that acknowledge density in the city centre so that Dublin can be competitiveness against these other European cities.

When asked if it were possible that Dublin would get a high-rise skyline in 10 years, O’Brien said: “At the moment, we haven’t seen any of what Minister Murphy has described, it’s really been more of the same.”

“So if we were to grab the opportunity to grab it and get there by 2029 there would have been a shift, a far greater shift, within the local authorities.”

When asked about what had changed based on Eoghan Murphy’s guidelines, Dublin City Council said that in assessing building applications it still has to consider “proximity to good public transport, contribution to placemaking/streetscape, daylight/microclimate impacts, effect on the historic environment”.

It added that the guidelines “expressly state” that there wouldn’t be “blanket caps on height over a general area”, adding:

The City Council experience is that sustainable densities and good liveable cities can be achieved by a considered combination of streets up to six storeys with landmark buildings at key locations.

In a statement responding to who would build high-rise developments that would provide affordable housing for people, the Department of Housing said: 

“It is not the role of the department to specify who will build particular developments. However, the department has issued guidance on building height in urban areas to assist in the practical planning implications of the strategic objectives contained in the National Planning Framework.

In particular these guidelines seek to assist and guide in the development of more compact urban centres that will enable a shift away from an unsustainable model of ever expanding suburbs. 

- with reporting from Nicky Ryan

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:23 PM

    Chris Evans more than twice as much as Graham Norton!? There’s more than sexism going on there!

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:49 PM

    @John Walker: You should bear in mind that that doesn’t include his talk show.

    The BBC pay his Production Company which then pays him (or he pays himself…….. if you know what I mean).

    I suspect that’s a damn GOOD salary over and above his actual BBC salary.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:50 PM

    @John Walker:
    Chris Evans is an irrepressible genius, he’s ginger, he’s original, creative, cutting edge, climbing the greasy pole of stardom trough sheer force of personality, money is not his goal, he’s already blown 80 million on cars and booze, when he began dating Billy Piper he bought her a silver Ferrari full of roses, she couldn’t even drive, Chris is car crash TV, when he gets bored he goes drinking and gets sacked then starts again, Chris personifies the idiom ‘You can’t keep a good man down’.
    Compared to Chris Graham Norton is pure tedium.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:21 PM

    @John Walker: being a good negotiator?

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:38 PM

    “The BBC’s highest paid woman is Claudia Winkleman”

    Who? Exactly.

    I 100% agree with equal work for equal pay. But you can’t compare salaries for people who have different levels of exposure, higher ratings, and different jobs on different shows. That’s not comparing like with like.

    The only fair comparison here would be to compare 2 BBC news readers – since they actually have the same job on the same show & do the same amount of work.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 6:56 PM

    @Conor Byrne: When you look at the likes of Chris Evans and Graham Norton who both had successful radio and TV shows last year when these contracts were paid. The large salaries they can command are based soley around their personalities rather than something like a large popular show like Come Dancing which, though popular, is not centered around any one personality.
    For this reason the “stars” can command the big money and, rightly or wrongly, that’s just the way it is. Inevitably this will be compared to America where the “Stars” can command many times these salaries and women like Oprah and Judge Judy Sheindlin earn vast sums us mere mortals can only dream of. It’s not sexism, it’s just business, and the entertainment business is cut throat.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:25 PM

    Jaysus, when Tubridy and Duffy and company hear about this there is bound to be a strike. They aren’t on anywhere near that cash

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:38 PM

    @Nick Allen: per head of listenership and population, the BBC presenters are on less than their RTE counterparts.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:39 PM

    @Nick Allen:
    Given the difference in population,shouldn’t Duffy,Untidy,etc be on a fifteenth of what Norton(a real presenter ) makes..around 60,000 seems fair..

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:42 PM

    @Dermot Lane: Yes – but there are dozens and dozens of stations, from regional to specialist.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 3:51 PM

    @Nick Allen: the Tv licence isnt been used to pay the BBC crew tho, and there would be a slightly higher viewship for the BBC than RTE

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    Jul 19th 2017, 5:16 PM

    @Fank Pulman: true but Evans gets 15 million on BBC

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:22 PM

    That’s F ing Scandalous!!!

    Chris Evans £2million++ He should be pushed onto some obscure satellite tv channel somewhere not paid that much for nothing!

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:29 PM

    @Dub_Right: Evans entertains over twice the population of our country – everyday on BBC radio, as well as a good few here!!

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:31 PM

    @Dub_Right: i dont like him at all, he was a disaster on top gear but he has 15 million listeners !

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:50 PM

    @Dub_Right: Probably includes his Top Gear contract for the year in question.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:54 PM

    @Fank Pulman: Evans has over 15 million listeners.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:32 PM

    Claudia Winkleman earns almost half a million £££ per year – utterly mind boggling.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 2:03 PM

    @John Ryan:

    She spends almost as much on makeup to be fair

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:29 PM

    I see Graham’s agent negotiating a healthy pay rise at the next contract discussions

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    @Nick Allen: Doubt it, he get’s paid for his talk show via his Production company. His BBC salary would be for things like Eurovision etc.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:56 PM

    Probably the best broadcasting organisation in the world. It won’t stop wingers here winging though.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:57 PM

    How much is Bana of Aleppo on? The young girl ‘tweeting’ from Aleppo in Syria about the bad man Assad; a story pushed by the BBC and most other MSM? All the while her father was a local nusra man(terrorist) and her mother, an English teacher, put words in the little girls tweets and used her daughter as a propaganda tool against the Assad Government.
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/07/18/uk-column-news-western-media-continue-to-cash-in-on-the-bana-of-aleppo-myth/
    The BBC have always done lite entertainment well. Well done. However on the other side, they have been instrumental in the death and destruction of millions of people across the world in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, as lead propagandists for the industrial military complex of the UK and US and their allies.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:09 PM

    I’m sorry but what does Chris Evans actually do for the BBC?

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:46 PM

    @Sorcha Hendry:

    Brings in 15 million listeners to his radio show.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 3:24 PM

    Actually, it’s just over 9 million, but I take your point.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 7:35 PM

    @Tweety McTweeter: Good radio show it is too – I’m still listening to BBC Radio 2 all day at work (except for Jeremy Vine, podcasts fill that gap) since last Christmas – great music choice (with minimal repeats!), the lack of sports news and, especially, ads, means I would never go back to Irish commercial radio. The pay mentions today may be high in some cases, but is more than justified in most, especially when competing with attempted poaching by the commercial sector.

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    Got to love Linekar. King of the cheesy pun.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:27 PM

    @methodical2020:

    The BBC make some great programs for both TV and radio

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    Jul 19th 2017, 4:08 PM

    Is nobody gonna mention Stephen Nolan being one of the highest paid in the UK 400-499,000 per year!?! You know Nolan, the fat guy on BBC NI that shouted at a politician via video link on that Miriam Callaghan show a while back…How is his wage justified?

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    Jul 19th 2017, 6:19 PM

    @Meanderingsz: He broadcasts every week day on BBC Radio Ulster, BBC Radio 5 Live from Thursday to Sunday and presents his own live TV show from Belfast!
    Happily his weight doesn’t effect the excellent content of his shows.

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    Jaysus Ryan Turbidity is a bargain – sponsored by RTE

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    How can RTE keep our stars , when the BBC is paying ‘proper’ salaries ? Please dont send this article to Tubbs or Marian ….

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:22 PM

    That’s Racist

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    @Jonathan Stapleton: The other BBC.

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    LOL! Comments of the week.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 4:01 PM

    Chris Evans and Graham Norton worth every pound

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    Is it any wonder the toothy chap can buy Ferraris at 20 million a pop

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    When will we see how much we pay our creaturs?? And when will they get reasonable rates?

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    The real question here is who the hell is Jermey Vine?

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    Jul 19th 2017, 7:41 PM

    @Daniel Murray: BBC Radio 2 show between 12 and 2 weekdays. I listen to Radio 2 every day at work, but I skip his slot with podcasts – not my scene, but he’s obviously popular enough in the UK.

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    And linekar still feels the need to advertise crisps

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    Gary Lineker on £1.7 million? There are footballers who…. oh wait. Sorry.

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    Pity they couldn’t have a Transfer Market like in the Soccer Leagues,

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    @George Salter: Guess why all the “stars” are still at RTE… actually, RT stood in for Graham Norton on his BBC Radio 2 show last year – not sure how it went, but I see that Alan Carr and Mel Sykes are doing it this year.

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    two fools to be honest……victims of ZIONIST extremism !!

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    How the hell can the BBC even employ that human disaster zone that is Victoria Derbyshire ? Every single human tragedy story is jumped upon and squeezed for every bit of drama and sensational aspect she can find….She,and her production team,are purveyors of human suffering and couldn’t give the tiniest of damns about the people in terrible situations that they cruelly exploit

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    Who cares . I for one haven’t heard of any of them in years . Let them off

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    to be honest what person in thier right mind give a f** about these two muppets ? seriously ? c’mon journal surely your better than this shiiiiiiiiite !!!

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