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LAST UPDATE | 3 Mar 2019
THE GOVERNMENT HAS been urged to make a statement after The Observer published claims that former Taoiseach Enda Kenny offered to use Ireland’s position to lobby on behalf of Facebook on EU data legislation.
The article published details from a Facebook memo which described Kenny as a “friend of Facebook” and said that the company had a “great relationship” with the former Taoiseach.
The memo claimed that Kenny stated that Ireland’s presidency of the EU provided “the opportunity to influence the European Data Directive decisions” and that Ireland could also influence other member states, “even though technically Ireland is supposed to remain neutral in this role”.
The memo was reportedly contained in court documents as part of a California court case involving Facebook.
Ireland held the presidency of the EU between January-June 2013 during Kenny’s first term as Taoiseach.
Facebook’s international headquarters are located in Dublin and the article notes the critical role played by Ireland’s data protection commissioner on an EU-wide basis.
In response to the claims made in the article, Fianna Fáil’s enterprise spokesperson Billy Kelleher TD said questions needed to be answered.
“This will require a statement to clarify it (sic) the government and its diplomatic services were being used to lobby other EU member states on behalf of Facebook,” Kelleher tweeted.
Fianna Fáils technology spokesperson James Lawless TD described Kenny’s actions as described by the document as “brazen”.
“The willingness of former Fine Gael, Taoiseach Enda Kenny to bat for Facebook and his brazenness to use Ireland’s position to protect his allies in big tech is indicative of the appalling attitude still held among his party colleagues,” Lawless said.
We certainly need an explanation regarding this matter but we also need a tangible gesture of intent from government that they are serious about appropriately dealing with the giants operating within social media. Our bill can do that and can be prioritised on the legislative agenda if they truly recognise its importance.
Independent MEP Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan described the claims in the article as “extraordinary”.
Kenny did not comment on The Observer’s article and TheJournal.ie has sought a response from the Department of Communications following Kelleher’s call for clarification from the government.
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Yet again it’s took an overseas newspaper to uncover and print questionable items that RTE and Irish media won’t inform its citizens fully about.
@Unitedpeople: Thank you. Probably the most insightful comment on this.
@Unitedpeople: I agree. But we should also be aware that the media in the U.K., as they draw close to Brexit, is looking for opportunities to undermine FDI in Ireland. That said, disgraceful if true.
@Squiddley Diddley:
The Observer / Guardian is the most left-wing commercial news organisation in the English speaking world. They have a very clear agenda on all their stories. An single internal memo where a Facebook executive thinks the Irish Taoiseach may support their viewpoint on EU Data Regulations is not evidence of him lobbying on their behalf. But it makes a great click-bait headline on the Journal.
The established Irish media generally tend to be more a little more circumspect in their approach. That is a very good thing from any media organisation
@Unitedpeople: Spot on!
@Orla Smith: The Guardian – probably the most pro remain media outlet in the UK, along with The Independent and now The Daily Mail under new ownership. If you want pro Brexit, go read The Daily Telegraph.
Why was the last inquiry, for which FB was fined, taken from Ireland by the EU to Brussels when it was the responsibility here to undertake it since their European HQ is in Dublin?
@CrabaRev: Kenny offered to lobby on FB’s behalf. There’s nothing “think” about it. The Irish media hide the truth about the endemic political corruption in the country.
Enough with your FG spin and lies.
@Unitedpeople: I query the surprise FG benefactors own most our media
@wattsed56: This journalist is from The Observer?
@Dave Doyle:
No he didn’t. The memo doesn’t say that. If you read the original article you might understand it. The article does try to draw that conclusion, but like yourself it has an anti Irish agenda.
Enough of your David Doyle lies and spin.
@Orla Smith: Click the link at top of this article. It’s the Guardian newspaper reporting on an Observer story by Cadwalladr. Interesting read.
@CrabaRev:
I suggest you read the article.
@CrabaRev:
There is nothing ‘anti Irish’ regarding the article.
Supposition and conjecture perhaps but not anti Irish!
@CrabaRev: Nothing in the article as published above of the Guardian’s link alludes to what a”Facebook executive thinks”. Both state what Kenny done while President of the EU and Taoiseach of the country.
Your “conclusion” that i’m “anti Irish” is another figment of your over active imagination. I am anti FFG and Liebour. That in no way makes me anti Irish.
You’re the one on here, as usual, insulting and name calling anyone who dares question your FG spinning. Yet for all you claim about the article, you’ve nothing to back it up your aspersions
@Charles Alexander: I did read the article. It’s not per se anti Irish, but it is an attempt to blacken Ireland’s reputation by suggesting that the government are compromised by the large amount of US FDI.
@Dave Doyle:
Levine apparently wrote “The prime minister committed to using their EU presidency to achieve a positive outcome on the directive.”
That doesn’t say for whom the outcome will be positive. Ms Levine is making the assumption that it would be positive for Facebook. That is an assumption on her behalf. Nothing more.
Again Dave I have no links to any political party, hence I am not putting any Fine Gael spin on my posts.
Also the use of “FFG” and “Liebour” just shows you have a childish and immature approach to Irish politics. If you want to be taken serious at least try to write like an adult.
@CrabaRev: It’s not per se anti-irish? but only 30 mins ago you said it has an anti-irish agenda.
which is it ?make you mind up ?
I read the article, please point out to me this anti-irish agenda in the article?
@Ian Kavanagh: The two are not mutually exclusive. I explained it in a post further down A reply to @wattsed56: if you are interested.
as I requested … can you please point to out the anti-irish agenda in the article. the two cannot be mutually exclusive – it’s either anti-irish or not. which is it ?
@Orla Smith:
The Observer is effectively the Sunday edition of The Guardian and part of The Guardian Media Group.
@CrabaRev: Ms Levine either wrote it, or she didn’t. Where’s the link so people can judge for themselves.
I rather have an apparent childish attitude to Irish politics than the a***licking one you have for the FG minority government.
@CrabaRev: Guardian is no longer left-wing.
@Dave Doyle: You will have to contact the authors of the Observer piece if you want a link to the memo. It is a sealed court document, so you probably will have difficult getting it.
The quote from my earlier post is from the Observer article. Since I also have not seen the memo, I cannot verify whether the quote is correct or not. Hence my use of the word “apparently.”
@Daniel J. Somers: I will politely disagree with that viewpoint.
@Dave Doyle:
“I rather have an apparent childish attitude to Irish politics than the a***licking one you have for the FG minority government.”
I rest my case.
@CrabaRev: I read the Guardian’s link, if accurate, Kenny was in fact lobbying on behalf of Facebook. The issue is about data protection. We already know FG’s attitude to private and personal data.
@Dave Doyle: what’s FG’s opinion on private and personal data?? If the are in breach, report them to the data protection commissioner.
@CrabaRev: And they are! Tech runs Dublin like Luciano and Lansky ran Havana!!
@Unitedpeople: Only proves the pull of this government here, gangsters can get away with anything here…
Envelopes ….
@Willy:
More accusations of Fine Gael cronyism. They’re incapable of change.
#oustthebackslappers
@Willy: If, and it’s a big if, Kenny was lobbying in Facebook’s favour on Data Regulation. Why would he be doing it? Its pretty obvious it would be to protect Irish jobs.
You can argue whether or not that would be a good judgement call. But the comment of “Envelopes …” is just vacuous and childish.
@CrabaRev: so is your cultish adherence to jobs at an price.
@Frankie Mangan: It appears you have difficult comprehending a fairly straight forward post. Please point out to me where I advocated “jobs at an [sic] price.”
@CrabaRev: spin unit must be down staff, you seem to be the only one commenting on any negative FG comments
@Milk The Drones: incapable . Of change. Of which there is no proof . Based on your assessment. Yawn
@Nowa Huta: Sunday with an unexpected snowfall. I guess he was the only one able to get online in a hurry.
@Willy: Yes brown ones are particularly nice.
@Derek Poutch: what’s in for me? culture in the Dáil.
@Willy: Empty or Full
@CrabaRev: Your continued ability to blindly defend government corruption never ceases to amaze me…
@Sarah: I am not defending corruption of any type. I am just pointing out that people are blindly shouting corruption without any analysis of the actual story.
I am amazed by the intellectual shallowness of the readers of the Journal.
@CrabaRev: How do you know he didn’t get a payment from Facebook it is not childish or vacuous. Serious questions need to be answered and sorry i don’t have much faith in this compromised country and it’s political system.
@Emmet Noonan: There is zero evidence to support that assertion. The Observer article is not making that assertion. Reasonable people don’t go around making completely fabricated allegations about people.
If true it’s shocking. We’re used to stumbling from one scandal to another here but this takes the absolute biscuit. The days of backhanders and brown envelopes continue, when will we as citizens stand up and say enough is enough We have a relationship with politicians that’s akin to a domestic violence relationship, we’re so abused by politicians that we’re numb to it.
@Rachel O’ Meara: The people are suffering from Stockholm
Syndrome.
@Rachel O’ Meara: Why on earth would it be shocking?, what does it take for fools in this country to not be shocked but expect corruption at all levels of governance, its what people vote for ever election with FF/FG and they are so thick they cannot even realise it….we deserve everything we get and much much more.
@Peter Hughes: spot on peter.
We keep returning them to office then feign shock when they look after big business ahead of the needs of the people of Ireland.
People suggesting brown envelopes are totally missing the point. This is not about payments to individuals it is about a failed extreme capatilist ideology that suggests a rising tide lifts all boats. In reality all the ff/fg “promote big business at all costs” policy has done is increase the gap between rich and poor and clean out the middle classes.
That’s the FG way!!!
All part of a larger problem.
Media/Journalists, crawling to Politicians to become advisors is one thing but
Politicians, crawling to big corporates/institutions to become board members etc..
A large percentage of both selling out the public they claim to represent.
The highest level of Poacher turn gamekeeper, not just bringing their skills and experience but hired to manipulate systems in place to protect society.
Political history is littered with such abuses. They cost dearly.
A 5 year ban required on any new employment where conflict of interest is evident to assist in dissuading individuals to the point that their knowledge is irrelevant.
@Shayne O’Donoghue: Like former Deputy PM Nick Clegg. They’re all at it.
Some of us have been saying for many years that FG and Facebook, the company, are in each other’s pockets and favour – one looks after the other in a symbiotic relationship (like FG and Denis O’Brien also).
The UK Sunday Times previously ran a huge front page story exposing connections between Enda’s own local cumman and the awarding of Irish Water contracts. This too was censored from Irish media, print and radio, at the time.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kennys-ally-lets-out-office-to-irish-water-ch0xlllwz7l
And people are surprised why exactly!!!.
This sleveen little hoor has royally shafted this country and like his predecessor’s he will get away with it.
I say fair play to him because he managed to get away with it thanks to the people that voted for them.
@tommytukamomo: A wonderfully intelligent comment as always Tommy. If this is the type of analysis we get from Sinn Fein members, you’ll excuse me If I don’t take your party in any way seriously.
@CrabaRev: I am no member of SF but I can assure you 100% that Tommy is spot on.
@tommytukamomo: Another stunning example of your intellect Tommy. Well done.
@CrabaRev: your pathetic attempts to get a rise out of the adults isn’t working.
@tommytukamomo:
“fog off you utter muppet.”, “This sleveen little hoor has royally shafted this country”
You think you are an adult. That is hilarious Tommy.
@tommytukamomo: Are you going to set your staffi on me?
@CrabaRev: try as hard as you want ,I’ll just keep reporting you .
Then fg will be minus 1 troll.
@tommytukamomo: And petty as well. You have so many positive attributes. Talk soon.
@CrabaRev: reported again , you just can’t resist can you.
@tommytukamomo: Tommy, Please stop harassing me.
@CrabaRev: You Are The one doing the harassing and trolling.
You’re track record and postings will vouch for that.
@CrabaRev: You are better backing down at this rate, The Journal does have a hide commenter limit.
@tommytukamomo: Here here
Fine Gael sold out the entire EU and all of it’s citizens for a few pieces of silver.
They were talking about this on the BBC this morning. This sort of stuff strikes at the very credibility of this country.. It’s very embarrassing that it’s come out that Ireland was prepared to use its Presidency of the EU to act in the interest of a company that doesn’t want or wants to seriously restrict regulation of the internet. This is a scandal given what facebooks objectives are.
Another” pillar of society ” exposed to be a deceitful liar.
Fine Gael, incompetence AND corruption… and still people continue to support them.
@John O’Hara: And will. Approximately 30% In fact, always and forever no matter what they do…
Enda the clown prince of Fine Gael, useless.
@Lobert Rester: Sounds like something FF would do (for a few quid though)
@Daniel J. Somers: And I am not defending Enda the Turnip or FG either.
@Lobert Rester: A snake in the grass more likely.It’s easy to imagine how much he aided he who must not be named also.
@Billy McNamara: Do you mean Dennis o’ Brien ?
@Thomas Roche: Lord Voldemort
@Lobert Rester: We can call him a “clown” all we like but that doesn’t change the fact that a not even remotely qualified schoolteacher who inherited daddy’s seat rose to the most powerful position in the country, walked away with a 5K a week pension with very favourable taxation and somehow hasn’t gone down as one of the most ineffective and corrupt leader’s we’ve had in living memory.
Who literally sold out his own country and crippled it for generations to come at the behest of the EU and foreign interest groups, went back on his own policies, lied to the electorate (USC, property taxes anyone?) and whose legacy is record levels of homelessness, bad debt, a healthcare crisis, population growth that is now below replacement levels and a brain drain of the educated middle classes lost to emigration….No other country outside of the US or African dictatorships can one person do so much damage and walk away with not only no repercussions and a bagful of taxpayer money for their trouble but with the reputation intact, protected by our joke of a media. If he’s clown the what the hell are the rest of us?
@Sarah: I take issue with you on your comment. I do think believe Kenny was / is corrupt. I can’t argue about anything else you said.
@Ian Kavanagh: Self interest is always corrupting. Being corrupt doesn’t necessarily mean you need to engage in illegal activities. Cronyism is a prime example.
@Ian Kavanagh: @Sarah We are talking here about “Legal Corruption” at which Ireland surely tops the world table. Also Kenny protected hoards of white collar criminals which makes him corrupt – full stop.
EU won’t like this.
@Dan Jacobson: yes they will. Tax harminisation happening next year anyway. They’ll all move to the eu mainland soon.
Disgraceful stuff. Also heard today the gov were thinking of setting up some committee. Didn’t hear the full story but one of the main directives was that it should be made up of former politicians. I think a FF guy suggested it and then harris made a statement saying it was a good idea! Talk about looking after themselves. You couldn’t make this stuff up!
If Ireland needed an enema, Dáil Éireann is where they’d stick the tube.
“Really hope your journalists in Ireland pay attention to this” … they’re on the government’s payroll and write fluff and positive pieces for them
Aaaagh. Stop bringing the dipsh**ts name back into the spotlight. Took long enough to get rid of him.
FG = Facebook goons
More evidence of the utter corruption FG are engaged in.
LOL @ The Journal, Cracking picture of a dodgy looking Kenny, to kickstart the proceedings,
he reminds me of Boycie in Only fools and horses when he is trying to sell you a car
@Pixie McMullen:
It’s designed to influence the weak minded. They have difficulty comprehending the nuances of the article and associated references. A picture of Kenny looking shifty gets their agenda across to them much more succinctly.
@CrabaRev: yeah, cool story bro…
@CrabaRev: Jesus the overtime must be good in the Strategic Comms unit. Go home and enjoy your Sunday ye creep.
@Bingobango:
What rock did your crawl out from under?
I have no links whatsoever to Fine Gael or any political party.
I find it fascinating that there are so may complete and utter idiots on this site who’s default position is “Uggh! Fine Gael / Fianna Fáil bad” If you read the article and the Observer piece you’ll find it has a very specific agenda. And it really has little with Kenny. and a lot to do with undermining Ireland’s FDI
I will assume from your comment that you don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand that. There must be a certain comfort in being so thick that complex events are of no concern to you.
@CrabaRev: So this is what you perceive as a conspiracy on FDI, by whom and for what purpose?
By Cadwalladr of all people?
@wattsed56:
There is no conspiracy. As I mentioned before, the Observer / Guardian is the most left-wing commercial news organisation in the English speaking world. They have a vested interest in large multi national corporations, such as Facebook being restricted in the way they do business and how they pay taxes. In this instance, they are trying to say that Ireland is compromised by its large reliance in US FDI, and that it give the likes of Facebook disproportionate political power.
They are attacking our FDI in an attempt to attack Facebook. It’s not rocket science.
@CrabaRev: what rock did you crawl out from other…idiots … I see you your double standards are evident again. you attack others for immaturity and then proceed to act like a little school yard bully,
@Ian Kavanagh: When people call me “creep”, I generally treat them with distain.
@CrabaRev: again I’m only pointing your your level of immaturity when you also respond in such fashion. By all means call me names if it’s makes you feel better. I won’t go down that particular road myself.
@Ian Kavanagh: Where did I call you names?
@CrabaRev: That’s your conclusion, not mine. Guess we’ll find out in the next few days from the leadership team (sic)
@Ian Kavanagh: The reply to your other question is contained in a post earlier in this thread.
@wattsed56:
Fair enough.
I am afraid I don’t understand your “leadership team” reference. “(sic)” usually indicated it is a reference to a quote. I am pretty sure I didn’t make any reference to any “leadership team.”
@CrabaRev: you didn’t. but you are prone to it when others don’t align to your way of thinking – thats all i was referring too. Please practice what you preach.
Goodnight sir.
@Ian Kavanagh: Thanks Ian. and a goodnight to you also.
Hello is that Fine Gael Head Office. I have a plan to create some jobs but I need a wagon load of cash and a special deal on tax.
No bother we’ll get moving on that and we can chat about the other arrangements in the middle of the Phoenix Park at 5am in Sunday morning.
See you then.
One of the most corrupt little countries on earth. It seems all our politicians are cut from the same cloth. Corruption & this country run hand in hand & its mainly down to our politicians doing favours for their cronies
Why are we surprised by these revelations? Doesn’t this happen worldwide by many politicians including Ming?
@Front Line (Retd): Ming has done nothing wrong, he has been an excellent representative for the people of rural Ireland.
If you are not man or woman enough to use your own name then no one gives a flying fcku what you think.
@Front Line (Retd): Didn`t you run in the local elections in Letterkenny in 2014 for labour and didn`t make it ?
@Pixie McMullen: Labour represented very few of their voters in 2011. no surprise they are the dodo of the Dail.
If we only knew what was going behind our backs
I’ve never voted FF/FG in 20 years. Imagine how I feel
@Zossima: I feel you pain…
Pure and utter cream cracker!!
@John Murray: The inventor of many a fiction story.
Senior politician lobbies on our behalf for a huge multinational investment… is that not what they are meant to do ?
@John Kelly: No. They are supposed to make legislation that benefits the people of Ireland. Not banks, not Vulture funds, not Corporations.
@John Kelly: He didn’t lobby on our behalf, he lobbied on behalf of Facebook. Essentially a representative of a private company while Taoiseach of this country.
@John Kelly: Read the article. Nothing to do with investment, that’s corporation tax. It’s about protecting, or rather not protecting personal data. Kenny wouldn’t have been involved, others in the food chain.
@John Kelly: On who’s behalf???
The Observer? I think I’ll wait and see how this develops before I comment on Enda Kenny.
@James Wallace: If RTE play it down or do their usual, don’t report anything that exposes FG, it won’t develop at all.
@James Wallace: Ah! A sane and educated person. We are a rarity on this thread.
@Unitedpeople: expose what ?
Is that corruption ?
@Marg FitzGerald: no it’s not Mary..
A politician working in the national interest.. it’s a cheap Brexit shot by the observer.. non story .. think of all the promises the UK government made to nissan…. no difference …
@John Kelly: Trying your best there John, but it is corruption .. Sorry about that… Dry your eyes mate
Well Well, Does Ming’s opinion count for much??
@John Mc Donagh: Over an exposed repeated fiction maker? Quite possibly.
Shock horror luke Ming Flanagan lobbies on behalf of turd cutters direct to European parliament… thousands of jobs at stake
@John Kelly: You’ve a low opinion of the rural community who elected him, why?
@wattsed56: in never said that anywhre … I mispelt … I meant turf cutters BTW…. luke will rightly lobby on behalf of the people who elect him so what’s wrong with another politician lobbying Facebook on behalf of the people that elected him or in the national interest.. it’s a stupid non story being stirred up by the obverver..
@John Kelly: he lobbied on behalf of Facebook. Are you suggesting that Facebook had a part in electing him?
how many people from Mayo lobbied him in relation to this?
@Ian Kavanagh: and again what is wrong here…that’s what politicians do to bring in foreign direct investment … observer spinning shite … they are jealous that’s all … has he broken any law … all politicians will lobby on behalf of their constituents.. how bad .. do we sit back and let other countries take the jobs or investment… we fight for them within the rules of the land we live in …
@John Kelly: did I say it was wrong ?
As you know so much about this story, educate me on how this was in the national interest ?
@Ian Kavanagh: jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs and more jobs
@Ian Kavanagh: educate me on why it’s in the national interest NOT to protect personal data ? I’m truly interested in how that is in the natural interest, that is after all what Enda Kenny lobbied for.
@Ian Kavanagh: 0% related to jobs, jobs, jobs. corporation tax takes care of that.
Corrupt f#ckers the lot of them. Gangsters
@John Smith: what is corrupt here …?
No surprise here, Kenny knows what side his bread is buttered on and like Bertie he will take full advantage of his position to further his own agenda.
The pic of Enda Kenny says it all. A real Fr Ted look
the question is , was there brown envelopes involved
I would take this story with a huge pinch of salt. I am very loathed to give credence to any reports on Ireland coming from the UK or US media. Just because someone says so doesn’t mean it’s true. They will have to provide hard evidence to prove the veracity of their claim. Until then I would suggest that people don’t jump to conclusions.
Do the math:
1 Politician + 1 politician = 2 pieces of shite.
FB employ 4000 people here. Lobbying government should hardly be surprising. Both the current and previous data commisioners have said Kenny or FG never tried to influence data laws or lobby on FB’s behalf. So it is fake malicious news.
Nothing new here. Enda Kenny was and is a puppet of the body corporate. So is his Fine Gael party and it’s new “leader” Varadkar and Michael Martin and Fine Fáil (CETA / ISDS) and the Labour Party. We have long since moved from Democracy to Corpocracy.
See my TED Talk below – Ireland:- Democracy or Corpocracy?
That trash kenny is poison. Sorry:
I meant to say disgusting,
FREDDIE KRUGER
Hitler will never be dead as long as he’s around
Freddie K
If it was the Irish Farmers Association or our fishermen or the GAA or any other Irish native industry would it be incumbent upon the taoiseach to represent their views at EU level and even try to negotiate something more favourable to them…. so just because it is Facebook with their headquarters in Ireland everyone is in a tizzy…. slow down.
Would not the UK government support their car industry or the French support Airbus, the Spanish their fishing trawlers – there is a lot of diplomatic language in the article (the observer quotes) such as a “favourable outcome” without saying exactly what it was, sort of cloak and dagger stuff and let’s be clear Facebook had special relationship with loads of politicians….. it is interesting that Nick Clegg was involved when deputy prime minister of the UK and now works for Facebook and the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne said he would “figure out how to get more involved”
Seems there was and is a lot of lobbying and politicians leaving companies with the impression that they are “on their side” which is an essential element of placation which goes on everywhere – not saying that it is right but if just one country plays the game then everyone must leave a good cooperative impression or loose the business to another state.
This works even at local level when politicians are approached to make representations on constituents behalf, and appear to get things done that would have happened anyway, they get the vote next time around… so what is wrong with creating the impression you are on the side of one of the larger employers in the country? At least he is not working for facebook, unlike others and there is a hint that this is trying to shift any scandal from George Osborne… of course I could be wrong…. GDPR was a pain for many companies and some have not applied and block content to the EU as a result… I am not saying the system is right, but it is the system under which we operate so why are we surprised?
(source https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/02/facebook-global-lobbying-campaign-against-data-privacy-laws-investment )
The then chancellor used the meeting with Sandberg to ask Facebook to invest in the government’s Tech City venture, the memo claims, and Sandberg said she would “review” any proposal. In exchange, she asked him to become “even more active and vocal in the European Data Directive debate and really help shape the proposals”. The memo claims Osborne asked for a detailed briefing and said he would “figure out how to get more involved”.
@Niall Ó Cofaigh: very well said … a load of observer horseshite… politicians doing their job.. all parties politicians lobby on our behalf … even Luke Ming Flanagan…
@Niall Ó Cofaigh: Kenny had already sold farmers and fishermen out.
@Seamus Maye: And property and water…
freddie
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