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I agree.
If the government can saddle us, our children, and their children with 42% of the debt of the Eurozone you’d imagine they’d be able to come up with a scheme whereby incompetence could be weeded out of the public sector within a week without the heavens falling in on all our heads eh??
Here both Barrels ….
this government when getting the Fiscal Treaty passed insured us that Bank Re-capitalisation was on the cards – it wasn’t and now has been abandoned , furthermore there was no sign of the Trichet letter before the Fiscal treaty – this deception in my book .
Also – We have lost voting power at Board level in the E.C.B. sine – this goes against every notion that one country one voice democracy of Europe ..
I think these vents will make it very easy for any New Government to hold a second referendum on the Fiscal Treaty …..
To make a decision is one thing thing – but to make a decision based on deception can never be legal !
I just don’t see how the government will manage to make up 8 billion and realisticly if we want to get out of this debt anytime soon we’d need a surplus which certainly isn’t going to happen.
Elections coming soon and all of a sudden the economy is back on track and we’ll all be getting richer. Now lets all vote fine gael back in again. Pure propaganda scutter.
If the Government can borrow money at historically low interest rates, given where we were 5 years ago, I reckon they are doing something right. And if Michael Noonan, who has soldiered on in spite of bereavement and illness, has had a role in restoring the Irish reputation then he gets kudos from me.
Why didn’t they just borrow and fix the water instead of the Consultant’s wet dream that is Irish Water …. half a billion gone into that doozy and then a weld on the tax take to repay the “grant” …
even Popeye wouldn’t fall for that one from Mr.Wimpy….
This is the MInister who said this Government wouldn’t do “Auction Politics ”
He also said that the Prom deal was illegal
He also has abandoned the bank re-capitalisation ..
I don’t like this man because of these reasons .. I think he is not fit to hold office ….
Paul our strong economic growth is adding to our tax bill with the E.U. -
All slagging aside Paul ….
Here’s a question ….
What tax did Ireland pay to the E.U. on let’s say BIGMULTICORP’s, (pick a name), stated turnover on our G.D.P. versus what the country itself collected from the same company ?
I am specifically thinking of one corporation who turned over 7 billion and paid tax to the State of 2.3 million ..
How much tax did Enda sign for to the E.U. based on the 7 Billion figure – if any ?
I think this is the real elephant in the room question !
Yes but you don’t pay tax on turnover, but rather profit. A 7billion tunover company may not be making a profit and as such does not pay tax. I do not condone tax avoidance, but it is legal and the onus is on governments to change the rules if they wish go eradicate it.
Let’s face it though Dermot, yes these companies don’t pay an awful lot of tax but they create a hell of a lot of direct and indirect employment, be it in related industries or just the deli worker who makes the lunch. All those people employed pay tax on their incomes which is where the benefit really counts.
I am not arguing that Declan – but how has the deli done since the workers have been hammered in their take home …
Paul – I am not doubting you …but do Ireland pay tax based on GDP to the E.U. or what was the basis for Enda lashing out another fortune to Europe based on “strong economic growth” …David Cameron stood firm and got a discount – did he not – he got time at any rate – our Leader just folded and signed the cheque !
If a country is weak internationally then that is totally down to weak leadership – nothing more nothing less !
While mol an oige has worked a treat for Dail Eireann for years Austerity has made Ireland grow up a little and Enda and co. are beginning to look very weak and very condescending and very out of touch with modern Ireland !
I don’t live in Dublin Declan …..
We were told that the pass machines (showing my age) would run out of cash – proven lie !
We were told that 6% was a good deal with the I.M.F. – Lie – the greeks were given a complete write off on their debt interest /…
P.W.C. gave the banks a clean bill of health –
Merril lynch told Cowen that the bailout would max at 17 billion – I believe this makes them liable for the balance – where’s Enda with the Court Case – or the rangers for that matter ?
Ireland’s fiscal policy and the soundings out of the Department have been “misleading” since we joined the Euro as far as I can see !
You are referring to our contribution to the EU budget. Every member contributes. It is based on an ability to pay ie gdp. As we got richer we paid more. We still get as much out of the EU as we put in. In the past, when we were poorer we got back a lot more.
GNP as a measure might suit us more for calculating our contribution as this would exclude foreign companies in Ireland. But as Declan said they contribute a lot to our economy.
David Cameron didn’t get a reduction, even though he said he did. He simply had it rescheduled. The EU won that one.
But then foreign companies are putting a charge on us by running 7 billion through our economy and including it in their profit – that’s just plain wrong with only Ireland loosing !
2.3 million is less than what 1/3500th of the billion ! or to put it in tax speak what 0.0003% are the E.U charging more or less than this on the 7 billion turnover ?
Michael Noonan? The same man that said not to buy shares in AIB. The bank that the people of this country bailed out and owns and is looking for a return on sometime. A great man behind the selling of anything!
It’s a good time to be borrowing as much as possible at very low rates before massive quantitative easing in europe sets fire to inflation over the next 3 years and oil is back up above $150.
Plus ca change c’est la meme chose.
Funny how nearly nobody was complaining when the market was booming; now everyone is an economic expert proposing we go live in a commune and adopt a barter system. It was the same in the 70s.
Q.E. does 2 things, it makes the rich richer and then after this it creates inflation. So that food and everything gets dearer or in other words prices shoot up?
Noonan probably given advice on AIB to deliberately keep share price down. Some German bank can snap it up for nothing. If you trust this government it’s well worth the flutter.
This bond selling is immoral.. The public don’t actually realise what these bonds mean… Our kids aren’t responsible for this mess so why is noonan selling our kids to clean it up
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