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Legislation allowing gardaí enter homes to break up house parties 'unlikely'

The Health Minister has said there is evidence that house parties are resulting in a spread of Covid-19.

THERE HAVE BEEN calls for the government to reconvene the Dáil as questions are raised over plans to legally enforce some of the new restrictions announced yesterday, including numbers at social events.

Under the new regulations, the number of visitors at a house gathering is to be limited to six people from three households and just six people - again from three households – can sit at a table together at a restaurant or bar.

Speaking to RTÉ’s Prime Time last night, Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said: “It is clearly not enough to say we need everyone to follow the guidelines. We all know that there are more and more house parties happening.

“Unfortunately nobody wants to be the guy that says ‘stop the house parties’, but the data that the public health doctors have is unambiguous – it is causing a spread. 

Whilst maybe the people at these parties are not at risk themselves – although they could well be – it’s entirely possible that they’re then carrying the virus to people who are at risk. So the decision we’ve taken is to say in cases like this or in cases where we have bars that are clearly not obeying the same guidelines as the vast majority in the country are, we are moving from recommendations and guidelines to enforcement powers – and I think that’s the right thing to do.

Donnelly said this will require legislation but that the “timing has not been worked out”. The Attorney General, Paul Gallagher, has been contacted in relation to the legislation. 

Not impossible

David Kenny, Assistant Professor of Law at Trinity College Dublin and co-author of the leading text on Irish constitutional law said allowing for a warrantless search of a dwelling is complicated by the Constitution, but “the Constitution does not make it impossible”.

“The Constitution states in Article 40.5 that the dwelling of every citizen in inviolable and entered save in accordance with law. That means that the dwelling can be entered once there is lawful authorisation for the entry,” he told TheJournal.ie.

However, the courts have held that not every lawful authorisation—not just any power to enter a dwelling put into a law—is sufficient. The entry of a dwelling must be reasonable. For example, generally speaking, you need a warrant to search a premises, issued by a person independent of the investigation, who has been satisfied that there are reasonable grounds to conduct a search.

However Kenny said dwellings can be entered without a warrant in some cases where it is reasonable to do so.

“The courts have upheld such entry to conduct a lawful arrest, to prevent the destruction of evidence, and to protect people inside the dwelling,” he explained.

“There is nothing in our constitutional law to date that would suggest that a law could not allow a dwelling to be entered for the purposes of protecting public health in a pandemic.

This has not been tested in court, but if significant public health benefits could be shown, and there is some limitation on this power – a requirement of reasonable suspicion, which could be reviewed after the fact – it would seem to me that the courts would probably find it to be a reasonable interference with the protection of the dwelling.

The Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) today expressed concern at the introduction of legislation allowing gardaí to enforce public health advice. 

The council said public health advice should be “consent and education-based” rather than “policed by coercion”.

Sineád Nolan, public engagement and communications officer with the ICCL said currently gardaí can enter a household if they have a suspicion of a crime that has a sentence of more than five years attached, but said it is “unlikely” a sanction so severe would be applied to house parties. 

“That would be completely disproportionate. We feel it’s unlikely they will go down that route, it would be a bit ridiculous.”

Nolan said the narrative around house parties is a “distraction” from the environments in which many of the clusters recently have been identified, such as food processing factories and direct provision centres.

She said a better approach would be to use powers gardaí already have to remind people of public health advice, rather than attaching sanctions to social activities in private households.

Gardaí have been effectively managing house parties in that way for years and can respond to a call where somebody reports a disturbance or even a nuisance. That would be in line with the community policing strand – they can go to a house party, knock on the door, encourage people to leave and educate people. We see no reason that would need to change.

Nolan also questioned how the government expects gardaí to check that customers sitting together at a table in a restaurant are only from three different households.

“They need to work on their communication around this and also the logic around these measures.”

Breaches by businesses

Yesterday Taoiseach Micheál Martiin said powers for gardaí to immediately shut down a business would be introduced if that business was “flagrantly abusing the public health measures”.

“We do need immediate sanctions where there’s a clear breach of public health measures because that clearly has a ripple effect across the wider community,” he said.

An Garda Síochána has identified 138 potential breaches of guidelines at licenced premises since restaurants and pubs serving food were allowed to reopen. 

Over a five-day period last week, 13 potential breaches were identified, with customers in each case found consuming alcohol, with no evidence that food had been sold with it.

Deputy Commissioner, policing and security, John Twomey said there continues to be a high level of compliance among licensed premises.

“However, there remains a minority who are putting their employees, their customers and their local community at risk of getting Covid-19,” he said.

Calls to reconvene the Dáil

Labour Party leader Alan Kelly today said the decision in relation to increased powers for An Garda Síochána is welcome but “clarity is needed now if this will actually happen and if additional legislation is required for this”.

“If so the Dáil must be reconvened. It is bizarre that the Taoiseach said the Attorney General would now consider the need for this despite the measure being announced today. This just adds to the confusion.”

Social Democrats co-leader Catherine Murphy also said the Dáil should be recalled so clarity can be provided on how enforcement measures announced yesterday will have a basis in law and what form any required legislation will take.

“Unless there is a coherent approach by the government, there will be severe implications for our health service, education system and general economy,” she said.

“It is vital that all the relevant government ministers come into the Dáil next week and outline their short and medium-term plan for the country as we continue to live with this pandemic.”

The health minister has said today he would have no issue with the Dáil being recalled before the end of the summer recess, but no plans for this have been announced. 

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    Mar 9th 2024, 8:37 PM

    If this is the best that the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free can put forward we are all in trouble #freegaza

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:12 PM

    Is Biden really the best the Democrats can offer??. Trump is going to wipe the floor with him.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:24 PM

    @John Smith: I was in America at start of last week, getting uber back to the airport the driver ( a very nice African American lady) quipped ‘ best thing would be if biden stepped down NOW & let Trump get on with it’—- just a throwaway remark/ taxi conversation—– but it hit me/ sure does have a ring of truth to it!!

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    Mar 9th 2024, 8:57 PM

    We will keep taking their few quid to keep Ireland in pocket but make no mistake the US is not somewhere I’d like to live and would very much look down on it from Ireland, no matter the president

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    Mar 10th 2024, 9:07 AM

    @Lewis Armstrong: it’s a great country to live. If you have a decent paying job you will live a very nice lifestyle. Far better than what you would get for equivalent salary in Ireland

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    Mar 9th 2024, 8:53 PM

    Anyone hear the clip of biden saying ‘ come to me, come to Jesus’ when he didn’t know the microphone was on?? He actually Believes That he is the messiah……. OBVIOUSLY, comments weren’t allowed on that article.

    MAGA

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:22 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: @Ken Mc Carthy: 1) That is not what he said
    2) He clearly knew the mike was on, and was sending a message to a demagogue

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:25 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: it’s EXACTLY what the messiah said, it’s all there on the internet

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:35 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: @Ken Mc Carthy: It is NOT what he said.

    Try a reliable source.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:33 PM

    MAGA presents a wonderful opportunity for universities to analyse the cult.

    A strong hard look should also be taken at the Press which instead of reporting on a demagogue is normalising that demagogue.
    And expends effort to find fault with the successes of the current administration.

    If US democracy should fall, then the US Press will have been a significant factor in that fall.

    Larry is playing his part in that too.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:44 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: typical biden.bot comment…… oh, all the wars & death & killing …… its all somebody ( the media you blaming now??) else’s fault. biden has been a ‘lame duck’ President….. warmongering& death are his legacy. OWN THE FAILURE.

    MAGA

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:20 PM

    US politics is in the gutter, China Russia, NK and Iran all throwing shapes while US politicians argue over leaving the back door open and gender identity.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:36 PM

    Trump maybe winning the primaries, But look at the numbers…NOT by a lot. 78% of Republicans won’t vote for him, 58% of Women overall Will NOT vote Trump. Not to mention the Veteran’s, the Jew’s and the military that he has peed off. Plus any Convictions in the trials will turn off Republican Voter’s. The Women will make November…ROEVEMBER. There is a Tsunami coming and it’s All blue!

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:50 PM

    @Mick Hanna: I am surprised that Larry failed to mention that those who bothered to turn out to vote for Trump were only a tiny proportion of registered Republicans.

    Only 7% bothered to turn out in Idaho, as an example.
    So Trump won a majority of 7% of registered Republicans.

    That will not be sufficient for him to win any election.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:55 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: a landside victory is a landside victory whether its a thousand people or 100million people thats in the ‘mix’!!

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    Mar 9th 2024, 10:10 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: You do know that it will be more than US Republicans voting in the General Election?

    For the next one anyway.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 11:05 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Oh, I forgot about the black vote. The Trash Sneakers and comparing himself to them? Well let’s say That’s Another couple of Millions of votes Lost!!!

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    Mar 9th 2024, 8:50 PM

    Larry your welcome to your murderous regime led by Trump or Biden.
    The USA is a busted flush

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    Mar 9th 2024, 8:57 PM

    @Tim Brennan: ZERO WARS under the President of Peace 2016/2020… mind you, he did STOP a few. Jobless numbers dropped every month President Trump was at the helm……. the economy/ shares were through the roof ( EXCEPT shares in the arms industry- they tanked).

    That is coming again nov5th!!!!

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:26 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: Trump is the only US president to leave office with fewer jobs than when he began.

    Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama.
    And crashed it.

    You are forgetting the war in Ukraine.
    Where Trump did what he could to aid Putin.

    And that Trump legitimised Israeli colonisation of Palestinian land. Feeding into where we are now.

    And his many crimes.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:33 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: you’ve been totally ‘conditioned’ in fairness…. normally,I don’t bother engaging with biden.bots but ask yourself this simple question—- when did the horrible invasion of Ukraine start by evil Russia??? I’ll give you a hint…….. it was 18months AFTER the President of Peace left office… go figure!!! MAGA TRUMP2024

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:37 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:39 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: FEB 24TH 2022!!!!!! A terrible day for Europe & the world…. but, hey, you were only 8 years out

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    Mar 9th 2024, 9:46 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: russia invaded Crimea in February and March 2014, and Luhansk and Donetsk thereafter in the same year.

    Ukraine has been fighting russian for the past 10 years.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 11:24 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy: Russia’s Ukraine invasion began in 2014.

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    Mar 10th 2024, 12:31 AM

    Does it matter!? It’s not like the president has any power anyway as both sides are paid by the same lobby groups.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 10:20 PM

    We need a third choice for US President,I for one would love to see Robert F. Kennedy Jr elected,A lot of his policies are very good.

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    @Colm Mcmahon: RFK Jr. is just another anti-vax conspiracy wingnut. It is sad that the trauma of his life has damaged him so much.

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    Mar 10th 2024, 6:30 AM

    This week’s episode of Larry’s Nervous Breakdown

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    Mar 10th 2024, 1:04 AM

    Absolute nonsense. Cornell West is polling in the fractions of a percentage. Kennedy is more likely to peel off Trump voters than Biden voters. Williamson and Dean have both already dropped out. Whatever you are paying Larry Donnelly, it’s too much.

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    Mar 9th 2024, 10:13 PM

    Hey Larry:

    LARGEST POLITICAL GROUPS REPRESENTING AAPI, BLACK & LATINO COMMUNITIES ENDORSE BIDEN-HARRIS FOR RE-ELECTION

    https://collectivepac.org/collective-pac-endorses-joe-biden-kamala-harris-announces-30-million-joint-voter-turnout-program/

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    Mar 10th 2024, 4:08 AM

    When I read whst the manboys who I suspect have deep routed mammy issues proclaim love for the lying treacherous sex offender fraudster orange thing, I understand why the world has issues

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    Mar 10th 2024, 12:16 AM

    Media like you put him in trouble by promoting toxic negativity and control of human behaviour through control of the weather (climate change modelling).

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    Mar 10th 2024, 9:15 PM

    @Ken Mc Carthy. Do you by any chance support Donald Trump?

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    Mar 10th 2024, 10:11 PM

    No mention from Donnelly of the non-committed votes in many states as a result of Biden’s Gaza policy or that Williamson and Phillips were kept off the ballot in some of the primaries and undermined any hopes of a proper, fair, democratic runoff. His rivals never had a chance with the DNC’s anti-democratic stance on suppressing any serious potential rivalry for Biden in the democratic primaries.

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