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How do GPs treat women who've taken abortion pills in Ireland?

“They’d be more nervous telling a doctor they don’t know. Oftentimes, they might say they’re miscarrying.”

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All GPs would regard the need to terminate a pregnancy as a failure of family planning.

IT’S ESTIMATED THAT around 1,500 abortion pills are used on the island of Ireland each year, or around 5 pills a day.

That figure is based on a study conducted on women in Northern Ireland and the Republic, the number of seizures of abortion pills, and the number of pills ordered by women from online providers.

In the same survey, of the 1,000 women on the island of Ireland who bought abortion pills online, around 10% reported experiencing side effects after taking the medication.

(To be clear, these are pills that are illegal in Ireland because of our abortion laws, but are considered medically safe. One of the pills, misoprostol is listed on the World Health Organisation’s list of Essential Medicines.)

In that same group, 0.7% required a blood transfusion, 2.6% required antibiotics, and overall 9.3% experienced symptoms potentially requiring medical attention. There were no deaths.

In cases where women have taken abortion pills to end their pregnancy and experience side effects, there’s a danger that they will be slow to report those problems.

In its submission to the Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment, the Irish College of General Practitioners, the organisation said:

The ICGP understands that an increasing proportion of women will purchase online hormonal abortifacient medications.
In these instances, it may or may not become known to their GP in subsequent consultations.

“There is clearly increased use of ‘illegal abortifacients’ both from anecdotal evidence from GPs, objective measures such as customs seizures, and a recent paper which suggests that 5,560 women requested abortion pills between 1 January 2010 and 31 December 2015.”

It also said that “women who use abortion pills ordered online may fear presenting to
Irish health services if they develop problems”.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie, two GPs shared their experiences of treating women who had taken abortion pills, saying that despite the pills being illegal, the process from a medical point of view was straightforward.

“The medical part is simple,” said Dr Brendan O’Shea, who runs a large practice in Co Kildare and has been practicing medicine for 30 years.

“From a medical perspective, [our aim is] to understand what’s happened.

“We do a clinical evaluation of the severity of the pain, check pulse and blood pressure, see if there’s a real active risk of hemorrhage or not, and you do all that in 10 minutes.”

When asked whether it’s easy to evaluate this, as women might underplay symptoms or be reluctant to share them given they’ve taken a medicine that’s illegal in Ireland, Dr O’Shea was clear:

“As a GP, part of our skills set is to deal with uncertainty – we know our patient very well, so we’ve a greater probability of getting relevant details than a hospital’s emergency department.”

Dublin-based GP Dr Mark Murphy said that the abortion pill is “very effective”, so medical intervention after the pill is taken is only needed in “unusual circumstances”.

“For most women it just works and that’s it,” he said.

In cases where there are side effects or complications of some kind, Murphy said that women “may not go to their GP” and instead “might go directly to the emergency department”.

Dr Murphy, who is part of the Together for Yes campaign, says that people are generally comfortable telling their GP about their health concerns because a GP would most likely be familiar with their patients’ medical history.

They’d be more nervous telling a doctor they don’t know. Oftentimes [at an emergency department] they might say they’re miscarrying. That’s clearly not ideal.

Abortion pills can be taken up to 10-12 weeks of the pregnancy, meaning that in the event of a ‘repeal’ vote in the upcoming referendum, the majority of terminations would be carried out through taking a pill.

Although it’s difficult to discern exactly how many abortion pills are ordered online by women in Ireland each year, it’s considered that that number is increasing.

“The number of people travelling to the UK for terminations is in decline, and although this is partly linked to an increase in contraception-use, it’s also linked to an increase in the use of abortion pills in Ireland,” Murphy says.

O’Shea says on the subject of abortion, all GPs would view the need for a pregnancy termination as “a failure of family planning”.

The view that the Eighth Amendment reduces that is simply not the case.

He says that what will reduce the rate of abortions and unplanned pregnancies in the country is more effective messages on contraception.

“The programme of legislation is definitely part of the answer to that question, but this time round we need to be more forward-looking, need to increase family planning services, and remove the remaining barriers, such as cost.”

We seem to be obsessed with legal experts, scientists, gynecologists, hospitals, and are making people take frightful risks with their own sexuality.
This is like the seatbelt issue – we sorted seatbelts when we started to place responsibility on dangerous drivers. Hundreds of thousands engage in sexual activity, you have the service supply but you also need a stronger public service campaign.

In response to the calls for a more robust contraception and sexual education campaign, the Department of Health directed us to a speech by Minister Simon Harris.

In it, he announced that the country’s National Sexual Health Strategy 2015-2020 would be updated based on the recommendations of the Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment’s ancillary recommendations.

The three-year programme will include:

  • Revised and enhanced resources, lesson plans and other supports for teachers in both primary and post-primary schools
  • Implementation of sexual health promotion training for professionals in youth sector, those working with at-risk groups, and for parents
  • A new sexual health and ‘safer sex’ public advertising campaign
  • A sexual health initiative with the higher and further education sector
  • A repeat of the general population survey on sexual health and crisis pregnancy to provide up-to-date data to support implementation.

He also pledged to increase the distribution of condoms and information about safer sex behaviours.

The government recently announced it would review sexual education at primary and secondary level; and also that it would look at making the morning after pill free of charge (although this ran into complications this week).

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    Mute Mrs Shalakalananaka
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:07 PM

    In fairness, if I worked for Facebook, I’d have a nose at everyone’s messages. I think my neighbour might be cyber cheating on her husband of 58 years, and I’d love to see the filth she sends her new man.

    For moral purposes of course.

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    Mute sWwt4uXh
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:05 PM

    You can still use messages if access fb on your phone’s browser. Facebook already runs 24/7 which uses enough cpu. Downloading a 2nd app which uses more cpu is stoopid considering you don’t need it

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    Mute Orange Order Loyal
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    Aug 28th 2014, 6:57 PM

    I just keep installing the messenger app and deleting it straight away. You’ll have use of the old messages for about 5 days!

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    Mute cosmological
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:07 PM

    Can you imagine Orwell’s take on all this?

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    Mute Jfash9
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:10 PM

    He’d probably stick to twitter

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    Mute winding_down
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:12 PM

    The separate Messenger App is Pants. I hate it.

    If you download Messenger on iPhone (as it forces you to), then you delete it from your phone, you’ll find when you go back into the original Facebook App that you can once again use chat in there like before. At least for now.

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    Mute raymond grehan
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:30 PM

    Trust us)

    -Allows the app to change the state of network connectivity
    -Allows the app to call phone numbers without your intervention. This may result in unexpected charges or calls. Malicious apps may cost you money by making calls without your confirmation.
    -Allows the app to send SMS messages. This may result in unexpected charges. Malicious apps may cost you money by sending messages without your confirmation.
    -Allows the app to record audio with microphone. This permission allows the app to record audio at any time without your confirmation.
    -Allows the app to take pictures and videos with the camera. This permission allows the app to use the camera at any time without your confirmation.
    -Allows the app to read you phone’s call log, including data about incoming and outgoing calls. This permission allows apps to save your call log data, and malicious apps may share call log data without your knowledge.
    -Allows the app to read data about your contacts stored on your phone, including the frequency with which you’ve called, emailed, or communicated in other ways with specific individuals.
    -Allows the app to read personal profile information stored on your device, such as your name and contact information. This means the app can identify you and may send your profile information to others.
    -Allows the app to access the phone features of the device. This permission allows the app to determine the phone number and device IDs, whether a call is active, and the remote number connected by a call.
    -Allows the app to get a list of accounts known by the phone. This may include any accounts created by applications you have installed.

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    Mute voice of raisin
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:53 PM

    If I am not mistaken, those are descriptions that Google insist are used, rather than describing how the app actually works.

    I’m not defending Facebook, and their privacy policies are suspect – but I reckon that the language used is a bit OTT. If you went through each of those permissions, I bet there’s a less sinister explanation.

    Think about when you install a program like MS Word on your computer – you’re giving it permission to read your file system, overwrite files, send emails and so on.

    >>Allows the app to change the state of network connectivity

    Could this actually mean that the app will ask you if you want to turn off air-plane mode when you want to send a message?

    >>Allows the app to take pictures and videos with the camera. This permission allows the app to use the camera at any time without your confirmation.

    Maybe this just means you can send photos through the app without having to confirm the permissions every single time.

    etc.

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    Mute Katie Collins
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    Aug 28th 2014, 5:11 PM

    But what’s the reason behind needing call or text details? Or remote activation of camera and mic? Too much like big brother for me ha.

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    Mute Sean Murphy
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    Aug 28th 2014, 5:13 PM

    Googles default built in apps like hangouts need all of those permissions too, why arent you up in arms about that?

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    Mute Giz
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    Aug 28th 2014, 7:24 PM

    It needs access to your calls because the Facebook messenger app allows you to make and receive phone calls.

    Now, if you have a call coming in but you haven’t let the app have access to your mic whenever it needs it – you wouldn’t be able to use that feature of the service – on iPhone you can opt out of this service, but android makes you accept all the permissions at once while iPhone asks for permission when you actually try to use the feature.

    Same goes for camera – if you want to be able to send a photo or video or FaceTime – it needs access to your camera. If you want to send a picture from your saved photos, it needs access to your files. If you want to place a call it needs access to your contacts.

    This is all much clearer when you’re using an iPhone because it doesn’t enable anything until you try to do what it’s needed for – then it’s all pretty understandable. But when you’re reading the android permissions it lacks context and sounds really dodgy.

    The malicious apps thing – at least they mentioned it. Sadly there’s a lot of people out there still clicking on dodgy links in Facebook and spreading around malicious apps via Facebook, those people would have to smarten up quick to avoid the possible trouble caused by these malicious apps.

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    Mute raymond grehan
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    Aug 28th 2014, 11:42 PM

    HI Katie. What is your guess, or feeling, at why Fb want to access every detail of their users lives?

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    Mute Ellie-May Duke
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:22 PM

    For all the paranoid people out there. FACEBOOK really is spying on you. When you leave your phone on your licker at night, they (facebook) turn on the mic and camera a watch you sleep

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    Mute Ellie-May Duke
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:24 PM

    Locker not licker. Oh dear lord stupid spell check.

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    Mute Rocky Raccoon
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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:25 PM

    Your licker? That your nickname for the other half?

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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:27 PM

    Facebukk might not be watching you but Big brother is or are you watching it watching you watching it watching you watching it watching you?

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    Aug 28th 2014, 4:34 PM

    I got rid. Not because I’m so I interesting that someone in silicon valley is watching my face as I write this. But because it was an irritating app. And you don’t need it at all to message on facebook.

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    Mute Elaine Brennan
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    Aug 28th 2014, 6:13 PM

    If they wanna spy on me they can work away..if I’m bored then they’ll be twice as bored watching me being bored

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    Mute Margaret Doyle Hanley
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    Aug 28th 2014, 9:44 PM

    Too true.

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    Aug 29th 2014, 12:11 AM

    I got bored trading your comment

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    Aug 28th 2014, 5:29 PM

    Still haven’t convinced me to download it. messenger worked perfect all along within the Facebook APP itself. Why bother moving it and trying to convince people to download another app? will they come out with another APP just so you can “exclusively ” like posts?..bit stupid if you ask me.

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    Mute Daire Stynes
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    Aug 28th 2014, 5:29 PM

    Hate the new app I use my laptop to read the messages now feck them and there app

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    Mute Alan McNamara
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    Aug 28th 2014, 5:42 PM

    You can still read your messages within the app, simple trick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0wMl-Uw8O0

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    Aug 28th 2014, 9:52 PM

    It worked! Indeed! Thanx for the tip! HOW did you know?!?!

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    Mute Alan McNamara
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    Aug 28th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Just came across it one day by mistake

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    Aug 28th 2014, 11:00 PM

    I like the external messaging app. It lets me use facebook for the only reason i have facebook: chat.

    I can keep in touch with people without having to suffer all the selfies etc. :)

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    Aug 29th 2014, 9:13 AM

    People are so naive, EVERYTHING you do on a phone is recorded by either Google, Facebook or Apple.

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    Mute Patrick McMahon
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    Aug 29th 2014, 2:10 PM

    Radiohead had it right. All the paranoid android users out there haha

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    Mute Claire O Neill
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    Aug 29th 2014, 2:53 AM

    If you don’t like it. Don’t use it. Plain and simple

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