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THE SEANAD HAS passed the controversial Civil Debt Procedures Bill, which will allow unpaid bills – including water charges – to be taken from wages and social welfare payments.
It now goes to Áras an Uactaráin to be signed by President Michael D Higgins.
The bill will allow a court to order that water charges – and other debts of between €500 and €4,000 – can be taken from people’s social welfare or earnings.
Debates on the legislation have prompted angry scenes in Leinster House: earlier this month, Fine Gael TD Catherine Byrne landed herself in hot water when she questioned people “stacking up their trolleys with drink and wine” when they refused to pay their water charges.
Sinn Féin’s Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin said the government was pushing the legislation through to give “tyrannical power to the shambles that is Irish Water”.
Welcoming the passage of the Bill today, Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald noted that “it also abolishes imprisonment of debtors and fulfils a commitment made in the Programme for Government in this regard”.
“This is an important milestone,” she said.
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I thought Irish water was to be a stand alone company seperate from the state?
It is, what you’re witnessing is an attempt to turn the citizen into nothing more than a consumer and debt slave for the 1%
They’re desperate, this is their final attempt to bully and intimidate prior to the election. It won’t work.
Unlike many other state owned companies that pay a dividend to the Irish Water will be receiving significant sums from the state for many years to come.
*dividend to the state
Good lad Reg but don’t mention siteserv
850 million in hock, another 550 million borrowed, cannot even collect half of the amount its costing them to collect the money, never mind operating costs. Its on life support, and the voter will soon have the opportunity to pull the plug.
Someone red thumbed you reg? Maybe it’s because you’re delusional if you think the idiotic attempt to pull the wool over people’s eyes will be around in years
Point out what’s not true about what I said Thomas.
You really have to try keep up reg, it’s the part where you think this fiasco will be around in years..
Reg your as true as our 5 point plan.
Vote Enda The king of Austerity
We’ll have to wait and see.
They’re getting desperate
The government’s have the same attitude as Marie Antoinette let the peasant’s eat cake.
@ thejynxeffect: Read Gene Kerrigans latest column, he puts it brilliantly….
Good article. Cheers!
Were jamming, quoting the blue shirt fascist independent! The Denis o brien controlled media.. How the tables are turning… Were jamiing won’t pay his water bill put uses o brien media…
The phrase,”lined up and shot” comes to mind.
iw and our so called government are robbers and liars enda kenny is dick turpin without the mask
That a threat Sean? That SF deal with those that speak up?
Where’s all this money going, there’s no “black hole”, someone’s getting it. We’ll be stuck with another bloody tribunal on top of this.
And how does this pass through the Seanad, when the opposition have the majority? what’s the point in even having it if that’s the case..
..it’s real simple Reg : no profit = no dividend. Simples. And then we’ll call in the liquidators (sic)…☺
Well done Fine Gael. They always f*** up when in government and slit their own throats. Remember the tax on children’s school shoes. Bye bye Enda. You and Bertie can spend some time together, at our expense, reminiscing about how you destroyed this country of ours. I hope you feel proud.
Ok, I’ve been following what has been going on with Irish Water for well over a year now and I have just created a twitter account to be able to post this. (I don’t do social media)
So I am one of the silent majority who are refusing to pay Irish Water’s charges. This is because of the following reasons:
Almost a billion has been spent on the creation of this quango. It’s only exists because the government want to take the provision of water off its balance sheet.
Secondly, taxpayers’ money, that’s yours and mine has been used to create this monstrosity. That money should have been put directly towards repairs and upgrades.
The cronyism that plagues this country is all over Irish Water. It’s board is staffed with people with proven track records in incompetence and overspending.
The metering which is now costing in excess of €600,000 is no more about conservation than then €100 bribe. It’s about billing. We all know bills go in one direction.
I could go on, but the arguments have been well made by others. Now just to clarify, I have a masters degree, I’m fully employed, I pay all my taxes and charges and I even voted Labour 1 and Fine Gael 2 in the last election. However I will never bow to threats from this misguided and deluded government.
Before I finish just one very important point. I would implore those who haven’t paid to continue to do so. If you feel intimidated or you feel that you want to pay fine. But for those who want to see the end of this farcical quango please don’t pay. Eurostat will be publishing it’s findings on Irish Water in he coming weeks, if we can hold out long enough to convince them that Irish Water cannot survive without government subvention then it will remain on the government’s balance sheet. This in all likelihood will trigger a general election and we will get our chance to vote this ridiculous government out. And before anyone asks, I’ll vote independent or possibly Social Democrat if they have a candidate in my constituency.
Can pay, won’t pay.
I pay 3 months extra Morgage on usc. Wages reduced by working time directive property tax,tax,prsi, no relief on Morgage payment, 3 kids n now water charges, fcuk off liebour n fg, no more. Traitors
I hate creepy, condensing, arrogant, Corrupt blueshirt governments. But I hate blueshirt supporters even more.. So deluded and anti Irish it’s scary. I can’t wait until the older generation of voting civil war party’s bs will stop! Blueshirts fu** off for the rest of eternity. Know one Likes you! Journal blueshirts = dirty trolls who love golden handshakes.
@ James… same as… I raging mad with these traitors.. GIVE US AN ELECTION.!!!!!!!!
I say that all the time lol.
P Quinn, well said, I’m in almost the exact same field as yourself. I see comments now “yea, take it from their dole” “yea all the dole wasters won’t pay”
well yea, wages will be hit too, read the article please. this is directed at everyone inc. you the taxpayer and ‘yea’ many of the non-payers/protesters are taxpayers.
at what rate was the latest 550 million borrowed and what lending agent was mad enough to lend this amount.Of course the government will pick up the tab if irish water fails and fail it will..It will fail because of the corruption of this government.As the old saying give them enough rope.even the boss man says this water company may not be around after the next general election. every person in this country is entitled to basic human rights and WATER is a basic right.This right is been denied to the people of ireland by this corrupt government and the so called upper house has endorsed the latest corrupt attempt to screw the people on social welfare.Up and down the country people are saying NO TO IRISH WATER and will refuse to be beaten sinn fein has been very silent on this latest attempt to steal the last euro from them and nothing about big buisness and the bankers
the question now is .How many government ministers have shares in irish water.as it is a utility company,Is it regestered as a limited company..Just a thought
I’ve got it . Why can’t Irish water give us all loans which would equate to our water charges . They could transfer the loan directly into our water account and then we’d be all paid up ! This could go on for ever ! There is a precedent for this type of economics which was devised by exceedingly bright economists in the ECB , IMF etc
Best post of the day.
Best post of the day.
What happens with self employed people? Do I take it we won’t get out tax Clearance Certs till our water charges are paid up. Essentially meaning it’s a tax..
Yes David.
David, Revenue stated last year it has nothing to do with them as it is not a tax levied by Government.
So unless they hold back a tax Clearance Cert from the self employed how are they going to secure payment
Its going to be some craic when the likes of Irish water try to bring 57% of the population to court to attempt to get attachment orders.
I can’t wait.
“all they need to do is survive 2 years ”
I’d be counting their survival in months.
Its how Fine Gael help people comply with our hunger to put your money in our pocket.
Vote Enda The king of Austerity
That’s not the case at all jayo, IW will have to take any individual who has an outstanding debt of between €500-€4000 to court to seek an attachment order.
yes, they will need an attachment order. theres no avoiding court, they’re trying to make it look like that. they need to go there first to have your case heard otherwise they themselves will be taken to court for not doing that.
And we say North Korea is a dictatorship
This is no better
Educate yourself on North Korea.
You Google denial Karol.
Saying stuff like that on North Korea will get you and your family executed,
Comment is a little on the stupid side!
Honest to Jeebus.. Where the hell was the opposition on this!? Grrrr
well if you said that statement in North Korea, you, and your extended family would be killed. I don’t think were that bad just yet!
One rule for one , one rule for another, the biggest crooks are the shower of bast**ards running this country , everyone of them with massive wages massive expenses bill and then massive pensions , then the ordinary families struggling to put bread on the table have another tax landed on them! when does it stop???
@Paul. And if you don’t pay the Breadman they will take that out of your Dole as well !!
It is not okay to place attachments on people’s social welfare or wages.yet it was allowed ..If people find it difficult or impossible to pay bills I’m sure there under pressure to put food in there belly. This government are a disgrace.
Last act of desperation of a government who has put all their eggs in a basket about to hit the floor.
Just remember everyone, this only applies to arrears of over €500, which Irish Water ‘customers’ won’t run up for over 2 years i.e. after the next election and all the time in the world to repeal it by the next government.
So remember, don’t vote for anybody who does not clearly state that they will abolish water charges.
Emm I’m sure FG said they would not bring in water charges before they got into government.
All empty promises & I can see it now, whoever gets in we’re sure to hear, sorry folks, it’s law now so we can’t change it’..
No, that was labour. FG were cunning enough to mention it, but not the monstrosity superquango known as Irish Water they had planned, ortheir intention to privatise it if they could get away with it.
More reason never to vote Fine Gael again.
I wouldnt eat their scrabbled eggs, let them fall .
Roll on Election Day !!!!!
November they say
And? FG will still be the biggest party and will form a government.
We’ll see
Pardon my language but f+ck iw and f!ck fg fascist pr#cks.
Yup, FG sail will sail right back in. You keep thinking that..
If you want more of this
Vote Enda The king of Austerity.
Bobby, you beat learn the meaning of fascism.
‘Were jamming’ – we will, and if Carlow Kilkenny showed anything, it’s that people have no appetite for the destructive nature of Sinn Fein nor the looney economics of AAA/PBP. Renua got more than those 2 combined.
‘if Carlow Kilkenny showed anything’
It showed how people in carlow kilkenny might vote. Thats pretty much it. But we can all cherrypick the result which suits our bias.
fg is the biggest lying,traitorous party this country has ever seen,they will never be in power again ,corrupt parasites, them and anyone that supports them should be ashamed of themselves. when our Constitution was being attacked,enda showed the snivelling coward he is.
You think the people of 2 rural counties, with a big town, are that different to say the people of Wexford, or Tipperary, or Laois? It’s not bias, it’s actual facts, which you lack a lot. Hyperbole and populism are more your forte.
Madmak, ridiculous. And our constitution wasn’t ‘attacked’, as the judge said after the weekend was over.
Amen.
That “amen” was to Election Day. The sooner, the better!
Taking money off of social welfare recipients at source is stooping very low, even in Austerity Ireland.
Sunshine is correct, FG will be back in power.
Since the formation of the Irish State Irish citizens have voted in centre right, right wing governments.
No Left party has ever held the power in Dial Eireann.
Unless all the Left parties drop their political Ego’s form one left government, led by equal cross party/independent representative council, next election FG, FF, L, continue to hold the power.
We should demand a real challenge to the destruction of our beautiful little country, call out all left parties for continuing to accept opposition political position.
The biggest fear of the 1%, is that other 99% realise their power and demand change together.
The biggest challenge of 99%, is realising that 1% are destroying ‘Our World’, we can demand change peacefully together if we confirm untied front.
Awake the middle class, sleeping giant, not connecting all the evidence based research interlinking the devastation of our climate, animals, echo systems, countries, to the greed of 1%…..
I’m afraid you are right Sunshine: we keep making the same mistake of voting the usual suspects (FG and FF).
I think it was Einstein who said that definition of insanity was to do the same thing while expecting a different result. We better change our voting pattern and stop FG and FF from having access to power for a very long time.
Traitors
true , it’s always the same in this country. Sheep vote FF / FG every time ,nothing changes. It’s the same thing no matter which one we vote it .
The vast majority want FG out, but the vast majority won’t come out and vote….
This will require serious street action. Kelly et al., should take note – when the first water protester goes to court we will surround the court house in our hundreds of thousands.
and of course the president will duly rubber stamp it.what’s the point in having a president when the same job could be done by a junior clerk. the man’s a waste of money, he was all talk and bluster before he got in and now he’s as meek as a mouse.
Cupid…this move could be interesting…its either a labour man agrees or disagrees…as he is an oldie Labour hack, I will wait and see
he’ll roll over like a lapdog, no doubt.
If he refers it to the courts, and it’s shown to be constitutionally compliant, that’s the ball game. Nothing can ever be challenged again. You lot don’t understand the constraints of the presidency, do you?
He is Labour Party Cupid,it says it all…
Higgins will define his Presidency.
By signing it, he is leaving it open for challenge. It’s a constitutionally compliant bill. If he refers it and it will be found to be constitutional, that’s the whole ball game… It can’t ever be challenged, ever.
Higgins has no choice, he signs what he’s told to sign . He’s nothing but a puppet in a big house , put there to walk about and look good . He has no power , his job is another huge waste of Irish money .
The shambles continues. If this doesn’t make the government fall I really don’t know what will…
The totalitarian state draws ever closer.
Fg lab know no shame…
Just means more votes for Sinn Fein
replacing cronyism with covering up of rapes/murders and kangaroo courts. what could possibly go wrong!
Have no real problem with paying for water again if it was gonna help upgrade the system. What’s going on is a disgrace. This has been set up as a revenue source for the government. This quango is going to cost a fortune to run and we’ll end up paying way more than we should. And of course, as FG are in power their mate Denis O’Brien is involved. .
do you not think the amount of money it cost to set up and still counting would have gave us a first class system, the problem i have with iw is it is a con job make a few quid to pay the bondholders the sell it to the lowest bidder, dob no if we have a referendum so it can not be sold i will pay a reasonable rate no problem. if fg get in next time around iw will be sold.
It won’t be sold. Has the ESB, Bord Gais Networks, Coillte, Born Na Mona been sold? These are established, profitable companies, why haven’t they been sold?
Then why was the vehicle to sell it written into the water services bill? Why did the T&Cs of Irish Water include a provision for customer data to be transferred to another company when sold?
I am working on it but after the election Reg so keep it to yourself.
Vote Enda The king of Austerity
As it exists this sham will not receive a cent from me. Would I pay for water? Yes, would I pay a for profit company for water? No
@Reg you are so wrong there cos i heard from the horses mouth that it will be privatised and Dobby is waiting in the wings also the 3 from Teneo, USA
We kept that crowd in the Seanad in a job so this lot couldn’t use jackboot diplomacy and ram through any legislation they want it worked out really well their an absolute disgrace
The crowd in the seanad are about as handy as a pocket on the back of a vest.
its just a place to offload wannabe TDs, the reserves and we’re paying for it. Just one big party in there. Theres no need for it, or a president now at this stage. Serves zero purpose. We don’t need a Taoiseach either, we need a Leader which we don’t have.
We need to hit the streets and bring this corrupt nation to a stand still.We have been too easy going for a long time now.Wake up people,sometimes in life you need to bite your nose off to spite your face.Should have been done a long time ago……..
It’s getting to that point I’m afraid.
The energy of the disaffected youth needs to be harnessed.
Where have all the young people who voted for same sex marriage disappeared to?
Back in their closets?
back in the cafes, talking about last weekends partying ‘loike’
I’ll find it hard to ever vote again
Use your vote to vote them out.
Voting should be mandatory
Agreed. Even if you spoil your vote, turning up to vote should be compulsory.
It would be undemocratic to force people to vote.
Stupid comment. How can more people participating in the democratic process be ‘undemocratic’? You can question it from a civil liberties/lawfulness angle, but to call it undemocratic is silly.
james forcing people to sign up to a sham company is undemocratic
FC – and you complain about a police state? lol
Don’t pay sure the courts would grind to a halt if they have to provide court orders for 53% of the population who already know they pay for their water in tax.
People had their chance to abolish the sheanad but chose not too! Just goes to show how useless it is and will just do the governments bidding. On long gravy train that’s all it is!
The problem with this, is that any company can take directly from your income, not just Irish water, board Gais, electric Ireland, private debt collectors, the list is endless, the ordinary man on the street really doesn’t understand what this means for utilities and corporations in this kip of a country.
True CW but it was only introduced because Irish Water is literally on the brink, desperate times call for desperate measures and in this case bully boy Kelly went for the most extreme measure left that was available to him.
But he’s paved the way for a list of companies on your pay check, I work F&Cking hard to provide a roof and raise a family, I don’t believe any company should dictate to your employer to deduct your wages, fekin eircom will be all over this.
I’m in total agreement with you CW, just pointing out that the legislation was only introduced because bully boy Kelly’s back was to the wall, cue more bully boy tactics to try and scare the populace in a last desperate attempt to save his sinking ship.
William, this legislation is not just for IW, unfortunately this is a precursor to the TTIP agreement currently being agreed by the U.S. and E.U. to make the right to make profit the most important right, above all national and human rights, this is one big sh!t sandwich we’re all going to have to take a bite of.
Is it possible for Sinn Féin or the Social Dems to overturn this legislation if and when elected?
I’m shaking in my boots.
Careful now, alan ‘nelson’ kelly will be around to give you a wedgie….
He can kiss the back of my balls while he’s doing it…
At least it stops the stupidity of sending people to jail for an hour for unpaid fines etc.
Yea this is much better but only in your little FG brain.
think about it reg, you are being forced to join a company against your will. imagine for a moment you had a personal issue with this company, for example their workers were rude to you. say perhaps the manager made insulting comments about your family, etc etc. you decide your not happy with the service and want out, now it turns out you cant leave and not only that they’ll get an attachment order against you and force you to continue being a “customer” if that’s what you could call it.
Drill your own well so.
Why drill a well when we already pay for the water,
Enda The King of Austerity.
grand so Donal am I allowed to deduct the vat and motor tax element as well that currently goes to pay for the water service, you know the little matter of one billion Euro that I you and everyone else pays year in year out to provide the infrastructure for this service. bet you didn’t think of that or are you one of these types that wants everything for free.
Is there anything this government does that you don’t agree with Reg?.
Quite a few. Pensions would be my biggest bug bear William. State pensions should be capped at about 80k.
So, your issue is with pensions for all politicians i.e. nothing specific about FG, nothing about the cronyism, the u-turns, the borken promises etc?
Well that’s one. The mess they made in setting up Irish Water. The failure at any major political reform are two more.
@reg, their constant lies, their eu not irish citizen stance, their total disregard for the taxpayer, their attack on the most vunerable, their media stranglehold on reporting stories in this country or criticism for that matter, their divide and conquer tactics the list is endless…
I enjoyed my soujourn in jail for unpaid speeding fine….fed,watered, access to the mobile library…watched a match on my TV, boiled the kettle for a cuppa….this bill ruins it all for the next time!
they’ll have to bring us all to court first which is simply not realistic also it will only apply after a debt of €500 is accumulated which means it’ll be 2017 by the time water charges debts reach that level. this is nothing be bluster, these charges are finished as long as people maintain the boycott.
Proper order. Handout culture needs to be buried once and for all…
You read the article throughly I see
Lol
God love you
Your a Gobsh!t.
o’relly doesn’t mind the handouts for the wealthy who get their gambling debts covered by the irish people, but considers people refusing to pay twice for the same utility as a ‘handout’.
They won’t have to now ……
Yep. All of it Todd. What’s your point?
So what are you going to do when the courts grind to a halt trying to process currently 53% of the population saying thanks but no thanks we already pay for our water through taxes O’Reilly?
Shhh O’Reilly is a genius, he got this
o reilly I presume your referring to the writeoffs o Brien got and the preferred interest rates. glad to see your finally seeing the light.
It’s very simple people. Pay your way…
I already do O’Reilly I just object to being asked to pay for the same service twice. What bit of that straight forward statement do you not understand?
I love water. I love my ml wife too. should I have to pay for her
@Kerry – I don’t collect the Dole, and probably never will but yet I have to pay for that. Should I get to write that off?
“This is an important millstone,” she said.
Too right it is!
I keep saying I don’t mind paying as long as it’s fair. And by fair I mean a reasonable price that everyone pays – (excluding medical conditions) that means just because my neighbour never felt the urge to work that he can’t sit at home showering and washing his nicer car than mine to his hearts content without having to pay for the water out of his dole.
Theres no ‘fair’ way to charge people twice for the same utility.
Yeah, yeah divide and conquer zzzzzzzzzz
I m just saying there is NO way now that someone can sit on the dole for year after year, buying new cars etc etc. it’s just not what happens anymore. People are put on courses, training schemes, CE schemes …. They are checked up on all the time. I work in this area so I know . The means tests are stringent.
If someone is on a long term payment these days it’s a disability allowance or carers allowance.
Either way Irish Water charges should not be taken from anyone by force…. whether is a SW payment or your salary. No matter what happens I will NOT vote for FG next election….. I don’t care what bribes they use I’m the meantime !!!
It basically means, you could potentially have a list of companies under your PAYE, USC, INCOME TAX, PROPERTY TAX, any company now has the power to direct your employer to dissect your salary, this is something which I believe is constitutionally wrong. NO company or utility, should dictate what you take home, is 52% not enough!?!?
So what would you do CW if someone doesn’t pay their bill for their plumber, or mechanic or whatever, Is jail your preferred approach?
Hungry bstards won’t be happy until we are destitute. police state. This little island is being raped by those elected to protect it.
This lot will rue the day they signed this , they knew they had lost but now they intend to take it from sw and wages what a shower of b***ards the only thing I’m looking forward to is when the election is called they will get irish water over their fu**in heads if they have the balls to call to my door looking for my vote
And still no one is asking about the conflict-of-interest elephant in the room. Two words: Declan Kelly.
Wake up folks.
Teneo, specialising in privatising water companies around the world.
The beginning of the end
This is very dangerous, I do not think people realize the magnitude of this…what next ? Corporations dipping into your wages….the YES men in the Dail would sell their mother for an old slap on the back……you can take our wages you dipsh**** but you will never take ourrrrrr freeeedooom…….oh wait, they are taking our freedoms away bit by bit slowly but surely like a frog being boiled slowly…..the Frog does not have a clue what is going on…..
Amazing Frances Fitzgerald won’t have to worry about me and my small debt anymore but All the main players like former ministers bankers and the builders don’t have to pay the big debts they owe. Great little country to do business in…..if all you ever did was run for your country and get a job as a senator.you would also be on the fools back
A three day national strike with or without union support will smarten up the parasites in leinster house. Its time to take the gloves off and show our employees in the dail who they’re boss is. If we fail to take action now we will never see the end of their jackboot politics.
i was always saying that, a national strike is needed. hit them where it hurts
This Goverment of invertebrates has made this country so disgusting to live in now that you would forego bringing a child in to the world while living here.
Who knew that politicians could fill you with such caustic hatred & deep personal upset at the same time?!
Sunshine meaning of fascism = extreme far right wing = fg maybe you should check the meaning out ure self your not to smart are you.
Daragh, why just “dole ” in the headline? The legislation covers pensions and earnings – ie everybody. Further it refers to all utility bills, fines and other ‘civil debt ‘. The usual spin at work.
I reckon everyone would pay charges for water, the problem is these nob heads go about it like snakes in the grass…I have no doubt this company is being set up for a big corporation to buy the lot and then you will see water charges……..they are selling the Irish people down the river !!!
Could the Journal provide a list of the party senators who voted it through?
I know Fianna Fail voted it through.
It just means an increase in crime more robberies burglaries and muggings. Desperate people do desperate things I just hope they target the politicians who pass those laws.
So lock us all up and let the rapists and murderers, Denis O Brien and bankers roam the streets?? Wonderful
other outstanding bills as well does is state which
The Journal only likes to mention the one that gets the outraged……outraged!!
I think that’s because it’s the only one that will use this legislation en masse (possibly RTE/TV licencing as well)
yes
the same people whinge about this as on the articles about jailing people for now paying their TV licence
That’s bullshit Reg, I work hard , pay all my bills and taxes and don’t mind paying for water if it was a fair system and if I thought for one minute they were actually going to provide a decent supply. It’s nothing to do with the dole , there are hard working people out there in their thousands who have less to survive on after paying all their bills than most of the people I know on the dole .
We should all let them have it at the doorsteps too!!!! Can’t wait for them to knock!!! Bam!!
dose the monopoly commission not apply to irish water??
it’s a lengthy read but worth it if you’re interested… http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2013/04/22/human-beings-have-no-right-to-water-and-other-words-of-wisdom-from-your-friendly-neighborhood-global-oligarch/
Trudy, I read this article a while ago, it opened my eyes to the neoliberal agenda, the so called “tin foil hat brigade” have been talking about the new world order/illuminaty ( I know how it sounds) plans for global dominance for a long time.kudos for posting I just hope more people will read it
Of course it was passed. The Seanad, friends of the wealthy. And Higgins will have no problem passing it either. All these people will never have to struggle on their income.
So it accumulates until you try sell your gaff.
Sly.
If most people don’t pay, irish water will be gone long before most people are selling their homes.
Typical tabloid headline… This is much about the ESB as it is about Uisce. But hey… Saying water charges riles up the ignorant masses
If Irish Water wasn’t included most of them would welcome this legislation. Common in many countries.
It’s a pity it took IW to bring this law in.
Some people never pay their bills and their fines and it should be forced from them.
2 Fine Gael trolls falling over each other to post their bias.Reg in particular needs to go back to y.f.g troll school,he’s getting shabby.
Some people CAN’T pay their bills or their fines, and a lot of it is due to 4.5 years of FG jackboots on their necks while labour go through their pockets for whatever change they’re trying to feed their kids with.
A shinnerbot not liking jackboots. Oh the irony.
Dave’s definition of troll: Anyone with a different opinion to Dave.
reg/doogle, I don’t want to believe your totally beyond help, so tell me your thoughts on the TTIP agreement?
sorry, you’re, don’t want the pedantic squad accusing me of being illiterate, phew.
“Ignorant masses “? Ooh, get you, Mary.
Boooooooooooooh!!!!
This might put a stop to the regular people appearing before the court’s every week. Hit their pocket and deduct it from their welfare. Once you affect their benefits you will see a sharp decline in court appearance.
Eh Dwayne to “hit their pockets” it will have to go through the courts…..
I hate this
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Proper order !! why should the rest of us have to pay our bills……….and news people………..Its here to stay !!
Can I ask you Patrick, would it take the government to literally tell you that your money will be used to make a load of rich people richer to see that this is a quango of the highest order? Everybody pays their bills. This isn’t a bill. A bill implies you are getting a service. We already know the money raised from water charges only covers the cost of collecting, even with 100% payment. So are you just giving out about people not paying their bills for no reason?
I pay my bills, it’s just wrong that a private company can dictate what comes out of your salary, god forbid you fall on hard times Patrick and you have nothing left after the bills are paid at source. It could be ~80% of your wages, you get that right??? Think about your outgoings, then calculate on top of 52% combined tax, quite astonishing.
what’s the definition of ‘hard-times’ if you continue to consume the services of companies without having to pay for them?
Great! Now we can keep the non payers out of jail, take from their dole/wage so its a win win for all!! Really deadly solution!! Where’s the problem?
The courts will grind to a halt?
People probably wont’t even have to turn up… this will just be a list presented to a judge once a month same as goes on today for when revenue seek attachment orders.
It’s fairly simple and efficient really
An important watershed. For the Government its no going back ( into Government). They need a tap on the shoulder, silly drips!!!
The fact government wants to take money from wages/benefits and the seneade passed it is unbelievable
They are trying to turn us into nothing more than slaves
But what are people doing about it? Not a god damn thing
What level of conformance does Irish Water need to breakeven? Isn’t our water-charge lower than most of Europe? What does this say about the efficiency of other water bodies in Europe? Isn’t the proposed USC going to leave people a lot better off? I know the bias of people commenting will be those that hate IW. Fine we’ve established that but I am interested to know the answer to those questions.
@njh. The nature of your question and the terms in which it is framed indicate that you know nothing of the subject, and are incapable of understanding any answer.
Well if you’re a parasite on the dole you don’t want to double parasitic and expect other people pay for your water. Idiots and parasites those who won’t pay for water.
Says the “happily married dog lover.” You might be carrying a few parasites yourself.
Intersting you went to the bother of looking me up. I care nothing about how personall. What I do care about is the parasites of pay for nothing brigade. We have to pay for water the trouble with this country is people never want to pay for anything and find somebody to blame.
It’s the likes of your complacent, happy to be trodden on attitude that keeps us where we are, on our knees.
Did you always do as you were told? Similar nature to that of your dogs I imagine.
Can we get a list of which senators signed off on this? And you can be sure that ‘parasite midget’ will sign off on it also.
Just wondering who voted for and who was against ? .
Rule by technocrats increases day by day increasing compliance. Pay the penalty as there is no arguing with a computer. PAYE by computer or pay the penalty. It is like this all over the World. This is supposed to be the civilized World. If you don’t like it go and live in Africa and see what it is like there. I have see the other side. You still have it good relatively speaking. If you we’re moaning about something or begrudging something that someone else had or hadn’t you just wouldn’t be happy. The Irish are a nation of whingers but at least not as bad as the French and much better than the Greeks. The Germans and the British just get on with it when faced by adversity.
The Germans got their debt written off in 1954, and the British control their currency, that’s how they “get on with it” as you say.
Abysmal, absolutely abysmal Brown
Hilarious Lol @ the plebs
Does this mean that if or should i say when IW is privatised every other company that people owe money to will get our pps number and private details?
This will allow debtors to collect anything from € 500 to € 4000 owed to anyone except an individual as in a civil case I believe. Thankfully in most cases it would take a long time for anyone to generate a bill of € 500 to Irish Water so it would take them at least two years from now to get anyone into court As usual it’s all scare tactics bulling and billix shame on this government .
ECJ might have a say about that?
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