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'I don't think we broke the law, it was 20 seconds of madness': Restaurateur defends scenes at Dublin venue
Health minister Stephen Donnelly described the scenes in Berlin D2 as “reckless” and said it would be up to gardaí whether to send a file to the DPP.
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A RESTAURATEUR WHO is involved with the Dublin pub Berlin D2 has said he was “appalled”, “very unhappy” and “embarassed” by the scenes in the venue at the weekend.
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, Jay Bourke said he had reviewed CCTV from the bar during the brunch event and was satisfied that the videos shared on social media showed “20 seconds of madness” and that the event was “well controlled” aside from this incident.
On the same programme, Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly said the videos were a “slap in the face” to all those following the guidelines and working hard to stem the spread of Covid-19. He also said it would be up to the gardaí on whether to prepare a file on the matter for the DPP.
The footage uploaded to social media showed customers at the Dublin city centre venue who were not social distancing and a barman pouring drinks into people’s mouths.
Customers were asked to stay in assigned areas which were marked by tape on the floor, but people could be seen dancing close together in the videos.
The videos provoked strong criticism, with acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn describing them as “reckless” and a spokesperson for the Licenced Vintners Association calling them “outrageous and appalling”.
Bourke told RTÉ that he had reviewed CCTV footage, spoken to staff and also spoke to gardaí in relation to the incident.
“I’m satisfied I’ve got to the bottom of it all,” he said, and described how the venue was at about 20% capacity with staff wearing appropriate PPE and adhering to the public health guidelines.
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“The 20-second clip was taken at ten to four,” Bourke said. “One of my barman jumped on the bar. It looked horrific. It looked like it had gone bananas… the footage doesn’t reflect what went on that day at all.”
He said people had been kept socially distant prior to this and – while young people have to “have fun”, he would ensure “it will never happen again”.
“It wasn’t a free for all, he said. “Up until that moment, it was a professionally-run establishment.”
Bourke said that the venue enjoys a good relationship with the gardaí, and he’d turned over the footage to them.
In the wake of the heavy criticism, he said that judgement should not be cast on the basis of the clips being shared online.
“I don’t think we broke the law, it was 20 seconds of madness,” he added.
Speaking generally, Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said behaviour like that seen in the footage from Berlin D2 was “reckless” and “poses a threat to public health”.
“We’re not messing around here,” he said. “We’re in the midst of a global pandemic.”
Donnelly said that the vast majority of businesses have been compliant with the public health regulations but added that places found to be in breach of these regulations should be shut down.
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@Handsome McWonderful: The holier than thou attitude of most commentators is ridiculous. Young people having fun – fair play to them. And anyone that thinks this isn’t happening all over the country at house parties, in parks etc haven’t a clue. The public buy in to the lockdown went out the window 2 months ago. And this forum is full of paranoid hypochondriacs who are afraid to leave their houses because the government and media of put the fear of God in them. Open up the economy and get on with life – those in the very high risk category will however need to be shielded (should they wish to).
@Big Smokey: Adults are entirely responsible for their own behaviour. “The bar made me” is not an excuse. Of course I did stupid things when I was young, but I never thought I wasn’t entirely responsible for them.
@PC: 100%. The Journal seems to attract the perpetually in fear element of Irish society.
The country needs to be fully re-opened. Covid is no longer killing people is this country. Look at the facts, move on with life!
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@PC: More like socially responsible, caring people, than hipochondriacs. And shielding high risk people? Don’t you think that’s a bit selfish? Is keeping those minimum requirements 2m + face cover + high hygiene really that much? And just becouse there is few of egocentric ignorants out there doesn’t mean we have to be one as well.
@PC: The phrase “get on with life” will sound rather glib and heartless to anyone who’s lost a loved one or is watching them fight for every last breath in an ICU. And while the disease is not suppressed or eliminated, those in high risk groups will never be able to get on with life in the way that they were used to, ie, having grandchildren visit, having an active social life etc.
@PC: this thread is also full of people who have lost loved ones to Covid , who are on the front line putting themselves at risk, of medics highlighting the short and long term effects of this virus. I’d rather rely on those who you label as “ holier than thou “ attitudes ( who are rightly outraged by a minority of idiots putting entire communities at risk by their selfishness ) than someone who hides behind their initials and metaphorically stamps their foot on the ground like a naughty child because they can’t do what they want when they want to. Spare us the histrionics and try to think outside the box/ playpen( delete as appropriate)
@PC: Well a lot of people have made significant sacrifices over past 6 months. Your glib, selfish and frankly brainless comment is either designed to get you noticed (which it has) or based on a lack of understanding.
@Sinead Foley: thank you for your comment All my family are in Health sector I am afraid I’d be stupid not to be
Dont deny anyone the right to enjoy life but needs to be within the current limits
@PC: do what you want in your own home…. this is a business! people should be able to feel safe in a restaurant. Imagine booking a table for that craic to go on around you…
@PC: are you happy to pay for all those in vulnerable category who were contributing equally to the finances of this country to stay at home infinitum? These are people just like you who want fulfilling lives and experiences expecting them to be locked away so you can get on with it is a pretty disgusting attitude for anyone to have, we need to stick up for the rights of these “vulnerable” people to live their lives too by everyone adhering to the public health guidelines
@PC: Hypochondria is paranoia. I’m immune suppressed and have been paranoid for years. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you.
@Joe: facts??? The facts are that there were over200 new cases over the past few days. The facts are that these were mostly younger people. That’s why there have been no deaths. The older people are more vulnerable. Younger people think they’re invincible and will live forever.
The same Jay Bourke who admitted to “Significant misconduct ” in one of his previous pubs that led to him being disqualified from being a company director!
@alan: just read it, awful stuff. He gets done for non-payment of VAT but still says the State should build a statue of him?! And his parents were bailing him out just 5 years ago. Something else
@alan:
On your advice I looked up that article.
Unfortunately I did not manage to get beyond the following statement.
“After an undergraduate degree in economics at Trinity, his long-blonde hair and stature earned him a brief stint as a Ralph Lauren model”
@Tordel Back: Is this place mentioned a Pub, a Restaurant or what. Obviously it must be serving food. A pub does not need a licence to serve food, – just needs to be health regulations compliant. a RESTAURANT , along with being health regulations compliant, NEEDS a Licence to sell drink . So, take the liquor Licence from them , that will slow them down. The owner said there that this happened at 10 to 4 . Is that AM or PM.. .? .
@Fiona Fitzgerald: a lot of people are doing just that precisely because they have a time limit and open establishments are limited. Pre-Covid, were you ever in an Irish pub at closing time when people knew they wouldn’t be able to get more drink? It’s one of the busiest times of the shift as people buy copious amounts of drink to knock back into them. Now, however, it’s “closing time” all evening long and with nowhere else for them to go.
@Michael Donnelly: “THEIR” chances? What do you think this is, skydiving? Bungee jumping? It’s other people’s lives and livelihoods they’re taking chances with.
@Michael Donnelly: If your figure is correct it assumes that three million people caught the virus assuming the more conservative mortality figure of roughly 1200. In any case, I think most people are taking as many precautions as they can. Also, I think people’s lives and health are far more important than the profits of some kip run by a businessman with some dubious business practices to say the least.
@Michael Donnelly: It is nowhere like 99.96 %. That number was already debunked in the Journal. Fauci estimated a fatality rate of 1%, ten tomes worse than the flu.
@Michael Donnelly: Several people need to get it through their heads that it’s a virus. Yes, sometimes alcohol works against some bacteria and unhygienic conditions. But no virus cares what you’re drinking. Being tipsy and careless is great for passing it on in a crowd. It’s invisible. Some people are being truly dense and want to pretend that they can go out and act as if it’s a day off from the pandemic.
@Tricia G: how do you charge for or take account of free pouring Trica? There’s no way any pub and especially in Dublin would allow that. Every drop of drink is meant to be measured
@Tricia G: apparently it was an event organised by “social media influencer” Jess something or other. People bought tickets to the brunch so probably the ticket price included some booze.
@Billy Carroll: 3 months after our epidemic passed, I find the continued restrictions on bars, businesses and other social activities disrespectful and dangerous.
Disobedience seems to be our only way out of this.
@Barry: Iove a pint …wish the pubs were open, but the fact yor comment stated the epidemic passed three months ago is a revelation..The recent spikes go against your point. Granted they mostly came from exploited workers in meat plants , but the fact the numbers are up puts us back in a dark place. Agree if pubs were allowed to open vast majority would go back to their local..It’s going from pub to pub would cause the problem.
Anyone who claims this isn’t happening elsewhere is being really disingenuous.
Or has never been in a pub!
I know that my ability to follow the rules reduces the more I drink. Like the vast majority of people.
I also know that it’s been so long since I’ve been in a pub having the craic that I’d be more likely to go a bit mad because this whole thing is stressful and the chance to let loose would be a powerful motivator.
Anyone saying otherwise is lying. And they’re either lying because they want to get back to the pub or they want the pubs to reopen for economic reasons.
Neither are necessarily bad but at least try and be honest with yourselves.
I’ve been to thousands of pubs/bars around the world. I visited pubs in Dublin right up to the night they were officially closed in March (which engaged strict social distancing).
I have never in my life witnessed a scene like the one in that video of a barman pouring spirits into peoples mouths.
I have witnessed that in other countries yes but not Ireland.
Perhaps I just haven’t been to the “right” sort of pubs to witness that behaviour…..
So if it’s not behaviour I have ever witnessed in Ireland pre-covid, I doubt it’s behaviour I would expect right now.
Oh and perhaps that kind of carry on occurs at night clubs in Ireland, I wouldn’t know as I avoid them “like the plague” whether there’s a pandemic going on or not.
@Reuben Gray: Can I direct you to my point about “I also know that it’s been so long since I’ve been in a pub having the craic that I’d be more likely to go a bit mad because this whole thing is stressful and the chance to let loose would be a powerful motivator.”
And I’m surprised you’ve never seen a bartender poor shots into a person’s mouth, I’m not saying it’s a common occurrence by any means, but I’ve seen it happen (though not in Ireland where you’d never get a free pour)
BTW – I was more referring to the issue of people not maintaining social distancing after a few drinks. Because the people that could do it after a few drinks are few and far between.
@Tricia G: I’ve never been in a bar or pub where there has been someone on the bar pouring drinks into people’s mouths and I never want to be. If people act like this after a few drinks maybe they should look at cutting back on how much they drink. Every weekend in town before this or at any concert you would see people literally falling over drunk, puking everywhere or passed out on the ground, how is that fun or having the craic?
@Sam Harms: Where do you see me defending or condoning the behaviour?
I was merely pointing out that a lot of people will not stick to the rules after a few drinks and if people were honest, they’d admit that.
The simple fact is, after spending months away from social gatherings, it’s not unlikely that people will struggle to stay away from others in a pub after drinking.
This has nothing to do with a bartender pouring a couple of shots into 2 people’s mouths and everything to do with the people dancing together.
@Tricia G: well maybe if they can’t control themselves after a few drinks they shouldn’t drink as much or should wait until restrictions are eased to go out drinking. Social gatherings don’t have to involve alcohol
@Tricia G: no the pubs don’t have to be closed. People can still drink and not get trollied. I’ve been to pubs and restaurants since they opened and managed to not fall out of the place drunk, and managed to maintain social distancing. If you’re only there for an hour and 45 minutes, unless you’re knocking the drinks back then you shouldn’t be getting so drunk that social distancing goes out the window.
20 seconds of madness….Mr Bourke claims… how long does it take to transmit the virus during close contact….this is not Mr Bourke first premises to have misconduct in it
Yes. There is that. I wouldn’t grudge them that minute of madness. It’s not as if they were playing musical chairs for longer than that. I feel better about their chances If they distanced themselves immediately afterwards. And If the place was well-ventilated.
Jay Bourke, the serial tax defaulter who’s banned from being a company director? Same Jay Bourke who stated he had done nothing to be ashamed of and that the state should build a statue to him for all the tax he has paid???? He has displayed criminal intent bin his non compliance to tax codes over decades. If he was on social welfare he’d be called a fraudster.
20 seconds of madness? He’s a serial about his activities and an arrogant man whose disregard for tax laws and regulations in this country are multiple.
“Typically unapologetic, Bourke said that he had ‘no sense of shame about it’, adding that the State should build a statue to him to honour how much money he had forked out over the years.”
“It was revealed in 2015 that his wealthy parents stumped up to clear a bank debt in a case that dated back some years.”
Went for a meal last evening in the west of Ireland… restaurant tables laid out in line with Covid guidelines. A gang of 12, 20s/ early 30s age groups from the eastern side of country probably Dublin/Kildare after hearing accents rearranged the tables so they could sit together. No social distancing, definitely not all related. One even had a very young baby no more than a couple weeks old in her arms. Shortly after 5 lads from Cork 30s/ early 40s entered all sat together on a table suitable for 4 in good times, no social distancing. Very young staff on duty so hard for them to manage this. My point is that the demographic of the spread of Covid is mainly through under 45s0, this demographic need to cop on
@Kevin50: Need to be told that if they want to be served, it’ll only be when they are sufficiently far apart. If their pint depends on moving apart, they will.
@Kevin50: so u spent your time at your meal watching what other people were doing and how they were sitting….. this is what we’ve been reduced to?
How do u know that all the people sorting together werent from the same family? Or that the 5 lads from cork went all staying in same accomodation on holiday.? For gods sake.
guy pours two drinks in two peoples mouths from a bar counter,
the same quotes above should be applied to Gov ministers & health officials , and others who also pour utter nonsense down our throats hourly
@Kavsie: Kick in the teeth for all the establishments that are prepared NOT to pour drink down punters throats, but aren’t even allowed to open… do you think?
@Willie Murphy: their teeth were kicked out long ago by the Gov
this incident has no bearing on the Gov decision as to pubs closed……..why are they not scrutinising more the ones open as to clusters etc etc, this video seems perfect timing to deflect from the Meat industry debacle
It looked like a cross between a 90s movie and rag week. Fools pouring drink down the throats of fools whose actions are defended by a fool. An insult to all.
“People could be seen dancing close together…” Maybe the Catholic Church saw this coming back in 1950 and all those killjoy priests were just trying to save us all from Covid all along?!
@Marc: But what about The Book of Jameson, chapter 1 verse d2; ‘And god said onto them; “open thy mouths and receive thy spirit from on high”. And there was much merriment and inhaling of powders’.
Is it just me or is brunch when you have a late breckfast
I knever had a full on disco at breckie
Did they have Eggs
Or were the 2gs missing
Hmmm just a taught
Extra.ie has a good article summing up this guy. For example: “Typically unapologetic, Bourke said that he had ‘no sense of shame about it’ [a case with Revenue over under-declared VAT], adding that the State should build a statue to him to honour how much money he had forked out over the years”
People putting up on social media out for the “pizza” and a feed of pints all with arms around eachother putting up photos of themselves for the few likes and comments!!! absolutely no regard by either the owners or the general public.close these places down there is no need for them
There needs to be an example made on a few fronts – corporate governance, imposition of business law, breach of COVID guidelines – shut it down and get a Garda investigation with the relevant authorities into the ownership structure and any potential breaches of company law.
They should close all pubs today. Anyone going through the city centre over the weekend can see this behaviour all over and its a disgrace. We are in the middle of a pandemic and not one care given. Shut them all Down Today.
A file for the DPP for people dancing close together & pouring drink. I guess old habits die hard. You can take the people of the Catholic Church but you can’t take years of the Catholic Church out of people .
This is all so ridiculous & alarming, That it’s shared by politicians on twitter without any regards for the individuals constitutional right to privacy & it was done deliberately to cause anger. Anger to occupy people with church yard non issues as if this handful of young people are responsible for:
Food processing & direct provision lack of basic conditions .
Care homes deaths
600k on hospital waiting lists
Crumbling economy
DSP inspectors @ airports
But let’s blame kids that have been locked for 6 months because we were all wise & beyond reproach at that age.
@Sam Harms: do organisers have permission to 1 – film you and 2- put your footage on social media ? No they don’t. You have a constitutional right to privacy and the same right is also protected in the ECHR. Were these my kids I can tell you I’d be advising them to take issues further legally . Especially, with regards to cynical, populist politicians & government advisors in office who used this knowing full well what they were doing when sharing the footage.
@Isabel Oliveira: It was a free gift to them, absolutely. People wanted scapegoats – to pile blame on some other group. That way, it can’t possibly happen to them, because they’re doing the right things. The politicians are relishing this deflection.
“I don’t think we broke the law ” …it is illegal to free pour in this country and it was clear barman was doing this in video. As usual no agency will take responsibility for investigating. Hse will say it’s not up to them. Health and safety will say same. Guards will say they’re considering action and maybe send file to dpp and possibly object to licence renewal and will end up doing nothing. There should be a dedicated agency responsible for overseeing the hospitality industry with the power to fine or close anyone breaking the rules
Unfortunately there’s plenty of others venues that won’t get the same coverage but will definitely have broken plenty of rules judging by what you hear from friends at work
If Carlsberg did hard necks this Bourke fella is currently banned as a director so in essence he shouldn’t even be able to operate a licensed premises.
Many of the very politicians who hid from comment when the factories and DP centres where blowing up numbers are now out screaming about the public, its like politicians fear a cohort business owners more than the people who vote for them.. Lots to think about in that..
That said i dont condone what went on the weekend ,pull the license on that pub and the other pubs looking on wont be long falling in to line…
they should look at the cctv for the hour before and the hour after that clip… see how many people observed the 105 min time limit in the bar. so many questions to answer here
@Marcus Mc Cann: He said on RTE radio this morning that he’s reviewed the full 4 hour CCTV footage of the event and passed it onto RTE and the Gardai to review. The bloke would have to be daft to be doing that if it didn;t back up his ’20 seconds of madness’ claims.
20 seconds too much. Fine and licence suspended – it’s not fair on the rural pubs that can’t open and the urban pubs playing by the rules. After the temple bar incident when pubs did open they should have known better.
Seriously? Mr. Bourke wants us to accept that all had been calm and observing social distancing until, suddenly,( at Ten to four in the morning) a barman took it into his head to jump up on the bar and pour alcohol into the mouths of customers? This is how he thinks a bar should be run in Covid 19?
@Rory Wilson: It wasn’t ten to four in the morning it was 15:50, this was an afternoon brunch! People should at least read the story before commenting.
20 seconds of madness. The fact that you have made that comment goes to enforce all the reasons that you should be closed down. For you to expect people to believe that this episode was over 20 seconds. I have no doubt that this was out of control for the duration.
No matter how I play the scene in my mind, can I see, everyone social distancing etc. Then, going Crazy for 20 secs. And finally after 20 returning to a law abiding socially distant calm. This explanation where the situation not so serious is an insult to most people’s intelligence.
I certainly won’t ever be going there, what a disrespectful insubordinate. If he had relatives/loved ones affected by this he probably wouldn’t do this. Ireland’s Dominic Cummings (1 rule for me, another for the rest of the country).
Well then show a majority of the 1pm to 4pm day footage, blur out faces etc for gdpr. Blaming it on a few seconds is easy if public never sees the full extent of what occurred.
20 seconds more like 6 hours shut the place down and prosthetic no law people do what they like and it’s all ways the first time they say just to get off with it
So it’s went mad for 20seconds Please!! It obviously built up to that. People didn’t stay in their seats and weren’t stopped and so they went to get bar service and weren’t stopped. Things don’t just escalate out of nowhere.
Stop judging book by its cover I bet it was a bit of madness at last song he said it was 3.50am. And you can be sure if it was happening all night somebody would of filmed more
I was in there last week for an hour or so just before closing. Staff kept people to their tables and it was all run according to the rules. No service at the bar, table service only. Id be surprised if it was as mad as the video shows for more than a few mins.
The LVA wouldnt be as enthusiastic about calling for this place to be closed if they were paid up members of the club..The LVA who like to portray themselves as the great bastions of health in this country by calling for people not to buy drink in the supermarkets.instead come in to us and we will make sure your drinks measures are correct and we will look after you..in other words dont buy cheap drink..come in to us and we will sell you the same drink at ripp off prices until you crawl on your hands an knees out the door again.
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Actively scan device characteristics for identification 27 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors 92 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Deliver and present advertising and content 99 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Match and combine data from other data sources 72 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Link different devices 53 partners can use this feature
Always Active
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically 88 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
Save and communicate privacy choices 69 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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