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Do banks ever get punished? Central Bank says Ireland does not have a zero tolerance approach

‘If you don’t want the banks to bother looking at the law, why do we have the law?’
We cannot take enforcement action on every single bank breach.

THOSE WERE THE words of Ed Sibley, deputy governor of the Central Bank last week.

Since then, the full extent of the tracker mortgage scandal has been revealed, the Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe as “admonished” the bankers, CEOs of the financial institutions eventually apologised and they now have a deadline to give back the money wrongly taken from their customers.

So, is that it? No punishment? No sanctions? Two reports on the scandal and the culture within the banking sector and we’ll call it a day? Surely not?

Those are just some of the questions which are circulating since the revelations that this mess could impact well over 20,000 customers and could end up costing over €1 billion.

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said the government is not acting on the basis of trust with the banks. He also acknowledged that it will take a very long time before the public trusts the banks again, pointing out that the tracker mortgage issue following on from the banking crisis was not exactly helping the bank’s public persona.

What do people want then?

Accountability, for one. For those that moved people off their tracker mortgage, who denied them the option of one, and who took the money from the people to be held accountable – by both the Central Bank and the gardaí, if necessary.

Is there a track record of this being done in the past? Not so much, it would appear.

While the tracker mortgage issue was the talking point of the Central Bank’s appearance last week, there was another case mentioned that might have been missed by most.

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Towards the end of the day-long grilling at the Oireachtas Finance Committee, the chairperson, Fianna Fáil’s John McGuinness, raised the case of Jonathan Sugarman.

You have probably heard of Sugarman – the bank executive-turned-whistleblower.

He was the risk manager at Unicredit Bank Ireland in 2007. This was the Irish arm of Italian firm Unicredit, one of the largest banking and financial services companies in the world.

Sugarman, an Israeli citizen, worked for the Dutch Ministry for Economic Affairs and a bank in Israel before moving to Ireland in 1999.

He worked for Microsoft Finance before taking up roles at the risk departments in several banks and finally joining Unicredit in May 2007. It was Sugarman’s job to make sure that the company’s Irish arm was sticking to the rules.

However, only a few weeks after joining Unicredit, Sugarman said that he started noticing liquidity breaches. He has since given evidence to the Oireachtas Finance Committee about the incident.

What are liquidity breaches?

Liquidity is how much money a bank has available. When banks lend money out, they have to hold a certain amount of cash or assets so that they can give people their money back if debts are called in.

In Unicredit Ireland’s case, Sugarman said that the bank was required to hold assets and cash in reserve equivalent to 90% of its liabilities. This was due to liquidity regulations that came into force on 1 July 2007.

The lender was allowed to drop below this by about a percentage point, but any breach in excess of this was meant to be reported to the banking regulator, the Central Bank.

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Sugarman said that Unicredit Ireland was involved in deals in the hundreds of millions – and in some cases, billions – of euro. Accounts for Unicredit Bank Ireland show that it had assets of €32 billion as of the end of 2007.

He said that, when the new rules came into force in July, Unicredit Ireland was frequently breaching its liquidity requirements, and on occasion would only be holding enough cash and assets to meet 70% of its debts.

What did he do about it?

Sugarman said that he was told not to be concerned after he raised the issue with his former bosses, and that the liquidity figures were inaccurate due to technical glitches.

Still uneasy with what he had found, he resigned from Unicredit after notifying the Central Bank of the issue. He also turned himself in to Rathmines Garda Station in 2009 but alleges nothing was done.

Seeing a correlation between the Unicredit issue and the tracker mortgage scandal, McGuinness said the lack of action by both the Central Bank and the gardaí when the banks do wrong is sending a terrible message to the people of Ireland.

In the Unicredit case, McGuinness asked why the gardaí and the Central Bank did not step in after Sugarman reported himself to the gardaí.

“I believe it was brought to the attention of the Governor – from the Garda Commissioner’s office which dealt with queries raised during the hearing the committee had with Jonathan Sugarman.

“The letter from the Commissioner’s office stated that liquidity ratios are set by the Central Bank in its role of economic governance. It continued that in 2012 and 2013 the Central Bank notified An Garda Síochána, in accordance with its statutory function, that it intended to deal with these breaches of liquidity ratios with the bank in question, Unicredit Bank Ireland plc, through administrative sanction procedures. What happened? What were those sanctions?” he asked.

Deputy Governer of the Central Bank Ed Sibly said they did take enforcement actions against Unicredit Bank.

McGuinness asked why the gardaí were not involved if there had been a breach in the law.

“He [Sugarman] specifically said at this committee that he had reported the matter to gardaí at Rathmines. They, in turn, had noted it in the station book. Afterwards, the detective unit informed him a banking specialist would be in touch but that did not happen.

“When the committee asked the Garda Commissioner’s office to comment on this and explain at what stage the inquiry was, we were told the Central Bank had suggested it was dealing with it and that it would be dealt with through administrative sanction procedures.

“I presume from that letter that the bank was in some way sanctioned by financial penalty or whatever for this breach, which apparently was 20 times more than what was allowed. What was the sanction?” he asked again.

ane Governor of the Central Bank, Philip Lane. Oireachtas TV Oireachtas TV

The Governor of the Central Bank, Philip Lane, spoke up to state there was an inspection by the Central Bank in early October 2007 and the investigation concluded that the reported breach “did not suggest a wider and more systematic erosion of overall liquidity and that the bank was back in compliance within the limits in 24 hours”.

Breaches by the banks 

The governor then outlined how such breaches by banks are dealt with by the Central Bank – highlighting what is the customary approach to take with the banks over such breaches.

Additional claims were made in 2010, [in relation to Unicredit] both in the media and the Seanad, that there have been numerous breaches of liquidity by the firm in question. A further investigation was undertaken at the instruction of the Central Bank. An independent third-party firm was engaged to check compliance with the liquidity requirements. This investigation did not highlight any further breaches.
There was significant investigation of the issues raised and the matter is closed.
More generally, the overall message reflected in the letter cited by the Chairman is that if there are liquidity breaches, the correct way to deal with them is through investigation. If an investigation establishes a systematic regulatory violation, administrative sanctions procedure would be invoked. The general answer is correct. If we see systematic breaches, that is how it would be handled.

Lane said that “initial breach was closed quickly and did not suggest a wider or more systematic erosion of overall liquidity”.

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Unhappy with his response outlining that if breaches are done just once, or are not viewed as “systemic” then little or no action is followed up on, McGuinness said the legislation is clear.

The legislation at the time referred to a breach. A breach is a breach. Every single breach on each day was a breach.

Garda investigation 

He said the letter from the [Garda] commissioner’s office about the Jonathan Sugarman case specifically mentioned that he reported a breach in the law, so why was there not a garda investigation?

From the letter, it is clear to me, that this liquidity breach was to be dealt with through administrative sanctions, according to the Central Bank at the time. I find it unacceptable that a bank of that size breached the legislation and broke the law so that the individual concerned took it upon himself to report it to the Central Bank.
Despite that breach and breaking of the law no action was taken. The commissioner, however, has said that someone within the bank had to have communicated some form of message to the bank, relative to the Jonathan Sugarman issue, to say that it would be dealt with under administrative sanction procedures.

Sibly intervened to state that, in this case, the Central Bank “formed a view” on the seriousness of the allegations raised by Sugarman.

“We follow that up in a proportionate manner. There are a number of tools we can use around breaches and these relate to the proportionate approach, the seriousness of the breach, the persistence of the breach and so on. Some of those actions may be private in nature such as a supervisory warning, and some may be more public in nature, which apply in areas such as when we talked about transparency,” he explained.

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No such thing as zero-tolerance when it comes to Irish banks 

Derville Rowland from the Central Bank clarified the approach to such matters.

The approach to enforcement is this jurisdiction – and in other jurisdictions such as the UK – is not to have a zero-tolerance approach. Not all breaches across the regulatory spectrum will end up as an enforcement case.
One would not be able to bring that volume of cases. We have a strategy of targeted enforcement and reactive enforcement. Reactive enforcement is when the most serious cases come and we make the space to give resources to bring those cases forward. The tracker issue is a very good example of that approach.

Highlighting her point again – that a zero-tolerance approach does not exist in Ireland to such breaches – she said:

To be clear, from the very beginning of the enforcement strategy as stated in 2010 until now there is not a total zero tolerance threshold for every single breach that arises across the whole spectrum of the regulated areas. We may take one or two of a type, where we see non-compliance in an area, as the message and we may take more. There are other regulatory tools in the escalation pyramid that are also used as enforcement to complement it. That is the general approach.
We also have supervisory warnings as an enforcement tool, which are private between the entity and the regulator. As the breaches go up the threshold the procedures become full enforcement procedures.

McGuinness said a liquidity breach that was nearly 20 times over the limit was a significant breach, pointing out that Sugarman went to the bother of walking into a Garda station to report himself and his employer of wrongdoing.

‘Nothing to see here’

“The answer from the Central Bank was that there is ‘nothing to see here, move on’,” he said.

Sibley said breaches are taken incredibly seriously, stating that since the crisis there have been more than 100 enforcement cases.

“We cannot take enforcement action on every single one. We take a proportionate approach to the breaches which are most serious and warrant public sanction and our whole supervisory framework is underpinned by that. We have teeth and we use them,” he said.

The way in which Sugarman was treated sends the “wrong signals” to those who might also want to blow the whistle on certain practices operating within the banking sector, explained McGuinness.

I do not know this individual. He had no motive other than to do the right thing. What would other whistleblowers or risk managers in the banks say when looking at the example of Mr. Sugarman who is now not employed, in extremely poor health and so on? He questions the approach of the Central Bank and cannot fathom why the issue with such a large bank that was 20 times over the limit was not addressed.

One cannot temporarily break the law

Governor Lane reiterated that it was addressed, adding that it was the bank’s conclusion that the breach was temporary and did not last longer than a day.

To that McGuinness said:

A person driving at a 100 mph, even if it was for five minutes, where the speed limit was 80 mph. That person is breaking the speed limit. If the Garda stopped him within that five minutes, he got a ticket. It goes back to the same thing as before.
In this instance, for more than five minutes, it was 20 times over the limit and nothing was done. It sends out the wrong message. It is the complete wrong message.

“Those kinds of breaches wrecked the country,” added McGuinness, adding:

If one breaks the law temporarily, one breaks the law.

“I profoundly disagree with that point,” replied the governor.

“Of course they did,” said the chairperson.

“It is not as simple as the speed limit in traffic law… Many things can happen when there is a breach but the conclusion in this case was that the breach was temporary, not systemic and not persistent, and the bank stands over that assessment,” said Lane.

McGuinness questioned Lane on why there is even banking law in the first instance. He said Sugarman read the legislation and was “so frightened” by what was happening in the bank, “not just one case one day but a number of them, that he decides to risk his job and tell the Central Bank that there is something wrong”.

He went to the Garda and said that he had broken the law and told them to arrest him. He could be imprisoned for up to five years. However, nothing happened to satisfy the fact that he had reported this wrongdoing. He lost his health and he lost his job. He did it pursuant to the obligation on him under legislation to report to the Central Bank.

If the Central Bank does not want these international banks that are here to bother looking at the law, why would we have the law?

The Governor of the Central Bank agreed that he will meet Sugarman to discuss the issue further.

With reporting by Paul O’Donoghue 

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:49 PM

    What other person or organization can dictate to government and the law the way the banks do. Pascahl is fooling nobody with him calling the bank CEO,s in. Imagine these banks have robbed a billion of their customers and f__all is been done about it. Remember this the next time Leo trys to blame the people on the dole for Ireland’s troubles.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:57 PM

    @Derek Poutch: alas paschal will fool most and get re-elected, just like the rest of them.
    I worked for one of the ‘big ones’, not Anglo, and witnessed a then minister arriving for a meeting with the ceo.
    Let’s just say the barista across the road was given more time

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:25 PM

    @Derek Poutch, he didn’t even call that meeting it had been previously arranged already & he just propped in!

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:31 AM

    @William Clay: what ever happened to Fingleton in all tis banking crisis.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:35 PM

    As Ross O’Carroll Kelly says if white collar crime is really crime then why does no one ever go to jail for it.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:50 PM

    @Peter King:
    They go to white collar jail, Or consultancy as its known.The wine list is not as eclectic but the holidays are first class.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:20 PM

    @Dot Com: ha ha

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:43 PM

    @Peter King: and guess what? Our government are part of the ‘cartel’. They have deliberately and constructively ensured a shortage of housing to ensure a better balance sheet for our banks. They have even enacted legislation (the first home buyers grant) to further accelerate the increase in the value of housing stock. All of these decisions were made with the full knowledge of the devastation it would cause on the weak and poor of our society. But they don’t count….at least as far as they are concerned. Each and every one of them has blood on their hands.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:40 PM

    We bail them out. We own some of them. We should own the rest. And they continually bite the hand that feed them protected by the people we elect.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:24 AM

    @Cathal Leonard: so stop electing them

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:32 AM

    @Cathal Leonard: alan dukes was on tv o my god he never gets te message same as minister Darcy..

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:59 PM

    We cannot take enforcement action on every single bank breach.
    This is what they said. And its because of the cental bank not doing its job in the first place that got the country in the mess it saw itself in. The whole banking crisis should have been handed over to the fraud squad.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:42 PM

    @Dave barrett: don’t forget that only in Ireland do you get a multi million euro pension for not doing your job,or being utterly shite at it

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:34 AM

    @sean nihill: and some nice Directorships as a hobby..

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:48 PM

    Good article. Voters must make punishment for breaking these laws an issue in the next election.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:23 PM

    @Sandra Duffy: Part of the problem is that election promises are empty and unenforceable.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:53 PM

    Release credit unions from the chains of the central bank anti-competition strangle hold now.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:36 AM

    @Dot Com: yep lots of ex-bankers got JOBS in credit unions..

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:04 PM

    Ireland does not have a zero tolerance approach,

    … it is a willing accomplice!

    In a criminal enterprise that robs their customers under duress by letter and phone communication!

    And shrugs their shoulders when caught with their hand in the cookie jar…

    And makes vague promises about repaying the funds….

    when they get their memory back

    The law is impotent on financials crimes and the 10 yr statute of limitations continue to count down!

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:05 AM

    @Jarlath Murphy: Zero action approach

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:24 PM

    Another appalling indictment of the Central Bank and its useless governor. The banks will behave as badly as they are allowed behave. If the bank allows them to get away with persistent regulatory breaches they will commit persistent regulatory breaches. If the is a zero tolerance policy by the Central Bank with effective sanctions, there will be zero breaches of the law. The liquidity rules are there for a purpose. Some day some institution will be caught out by some unexpected event coinciding with one of these ‘liquidity holidays’ given a nod and a wink to by Lane and his useless outfit, and we will have another banking crisis. Lane will then retire with a big pension and the taxpayer will pick up the tab. And so it continues. We have learned nothing.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:14 PM

    My Granda lost all his Savings when the Recession hit, i wonder what would happen me if i tool up and go get it back from the Robbing B#stards that Stole from him

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:40 AM

    @Paul Byrne: i often wonder how much commmission your Granda bank manger earned for his Advice. bankmangers were worshipped in rural ireland .

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:35 PM

    Take a leaf from Iceland’s book and jail the shysters

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:32 PM

    What I find utterly amazing, and utterly unacceptable in all this tracker mortgage scandal, is that the Government and Central Bank are happy for the banks to “investigate” their own mortgage book, and then supposedly truthfully tell the Central Bank which customers they defrauded! To use the speeding analogy, it’s a bit like the Gardai asking ordinary citizens to make return each year on the number of occasions that one in engaged in speeding during the year, and the speed over the limit!!!

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:19 PM

    The real, actual and legally prescribed role of the Central Bank of Ireland is to ensure the stability of the banking system, which means to ensure the maximisation of the profitability by reinflating the balance sheets of the Banks. This is done by clipping the customers of the banks.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:18 PM

    Those at management in the central bank and banks in general should be cleared out, fresh start and those that committed tracker fraud arrested and charged.instead fg invited bankers in for tea and cakes,and mr lane was given a big job in the ECB.cover up complete. Thi.s is not a scandal,it is FRAUD.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:13 PM

    It all stems from the horrendous corrupt culture of our political system. We won’t be able to change the behaviour of our banks until until we change the disgraceful behaviour of our politicians and reform our politics.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 12:09 AM

    @Adrian: a complete reform of An Garda Siochana is needed.
    Maurice McCabe for next president.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:23 PM

    The current Central Bank of Ireland is not fit for purpose. Defrauded tracker mortgage customers who have approached the Central Bank looking for a meeting with Deputy Governor Bernard Sheridan (who has however met with the fraudsters) have in effect been told to get lost. This is the level of engagement with the victims. Fraud victim? You’re on your own.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:54 PM

    @Irish Cottage Rental: The central bank is a joke, am left in a terrible situation where Ulster bank sold my mortgage onto a vulture fund, these s(umbags can do what they like, they are leeches while our government and central bank gave banks the power to sell all their bad loans off. Impossible to deal with these sick people they have the power to do what they like… and there is no one to help you out…

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:09 AM

    I had a possession order granted against me last week. The judge was told I had a forensic report that I had been overcharged. I had it with me in the court. He waved it away and every subsequent argument I tried to make. Then he handed bank of Ireland a possession order. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Banks, legal professionals and judiciary, all equally corrupt. Well this boy is not taking this lying down. I’m going nowhere. This sh!t has gone on long enough.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:06 AM

    @Gerry Daly: Have you tried the Hub Ireland for help?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 12:49 PM

    @Dave Doyle: Yes but am mainly using my own initiative and have already started the fightback. Sick and tired of the corrupt bulls!ht we have to endure.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:20 PM

    @Gerry Daly: sorry, Gerry, something in your story doesn’t seem to add up, or we are only hearing part of the picture. Our judges have been notable in their reluctance to grant the banks possession orders, and only allow the banks into possession in clear cut cases. If any question or doubt exists, the order is refused, or a stay granted pending clarification. Unfortunately, throwing around loose and unsubstantiated allegations like confetti only distracts from the wrongdoers – the financial institutions, and the failed regulator.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:41 PM

    @Peter O’Muiri: I was in the bloody court when this happened. Were YOU there?

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:41 PM

    Simple solution. Class action law suits. Watch them get their act together very fast.
    Mist of us run the very serious risk of destroying not only our but our childrens life’s taking them on. They can afford and make a point of insuring no one dares stand up for whats right.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:52 PM

    @Cathal Leonard: Correct, but get in there quickly. The US have recently banned class action law suits against banks so things may go that way here soon.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:43 PM

    like the Tuam baby home scandal no one is ever held responsible,the political appointees tasked with ensuring a fair and just society are told to look the other way,things will blow over,your pension is sound and your kids,relations are sorted when it comes to civil service jobs.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:26 PM

    Only keep enough money in the bank to pay your bills. Put any disposable income aside every month and invest it in shares, commodities and cryptocurrency. Spread your risk across all asset classes and keep investing!

    If you go through the education “indoctrination” system, get a degree and “work” for somebody else for a living, you will inevitably be consigned to a life of slavery to the usury financial system.

    Wake up. Inform yourself and take control of your future. There is so much information out there nowadays, there is no excuse for allowing yourself to be caught in the spiders web of life long debt slavery to the banks. Ignorance is a choice, don’t be a victim!

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:25 PM

    @Super Ted: A large number of people lost a large chunk of their pensions during the recession by following your advice. There is also a high corealation between education and earnings. Your type of ignorance is a choice that should be avoided.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:59 PM

    @Peter O’Muiri: Bullshit, most people had their pensions raided by Noonan. As for education I would,nt agree 100%/ with Ted but I can see where he is coming from. Certain people will always have the advantage over the majority due to who their parents are or what party they are in.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:13 AM

    Well done on the Journal for highlighting Mr Sugarman, it is amazing how he has been met with a wall of silence in Ireland. Far too parochial.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:34 PM

    De-centralised currency. i.e. bitcoin

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:17 PM

    Shun these bankers in your community,

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:47 PM

    @Brian O Reilly: That would be a beautiful thing. However these are respected members of the community, pillars of the community, great benefactors.. blah blah.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:22 PM

    They get rewarded in ireland not punished

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:33 PM

    Sugarman has ended up with no job and no pension….Every senior banker and central bank governer has got a golden handshake and a generous pension….Says it all….

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    Oct 30th 2017, 12:39 AM

    I stopped reading because no matter how angry it made me nothing I do or say will change it. Vote for someone other than ff/fg and they get a seat at the table but no power. This country will never change and the people responsible will die one day happy and wealthy telling themselves they were good people

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    Oct 30th 2017, 4:18 AM

    White collar crime needs to be treated much more punitively. Every time white collar criminals get away with crimes against their fellow citizens it is a propaganda coup for the far left and increases support for them. A criminal is a criminal regardless of whether he is wearing a track suit or an Armani suit.

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    Mute a1 cleaners brighton
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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:59 PM

    I know something that you don’t. Please google ‘Windle stops swindle’ Bigger than the mortgage tracker scam Cheers

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:24 AM

    France 1789. Russia 1917. The only way forward is to forcibly change the system, taking power away from the top 1%. By force

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:36 AM

    @Kevin Slater: They never learn the lessons of history. They never believe that there’s only so much people will put up with before the turn to the only solution that has ever worked to redress the imposed imbalances forced on society.

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    Mute William Kelly
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:53 AM

    The Central bank has just moved into a crooked new building in the IFSC, so maybe the architects were making a point!
    On a serious note, the professions have disciplinary codes whereby licence to practice can be cancelled or suspended.
    Is it too much to expect that the bankers involved in this fraud get dealt with in a similar fashion, or is that profession outside these norms, a tribe of predatory Buccaneers ?

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:55 PM

    Mind you John McG never got around to explaining the breach of the EU directive on number of hours his son worked for his department- based on his overtime claims anyway.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:57 AM

    Note ,the banks run the country and that’s a fact the government has no actual control over them and that goes for all countries with the exception of dictator controlled ones and that’s not to say I would like such

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:02 PM

    I know a bigger sting than the mortgage tracker scam. Please google ‘Windle stops swindle’ Cheers

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    Mute Anastasia
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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:36 AM

    No T V Licence prison it’s a laugh no control over banks you scratch my back I will scratch yours it hilarious only it’s so serious

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:05 AM

    Fair play John McG on this one, credit where credit is due..no pun intended..but he is 100% correct and the traffic law was a great analogy also. Farcical situation to this day

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    Oct 30th 2017, 1:37 AM

    I can’t understand why anyone is surprised. This is how the game works, and it won’t change no matter who goes to jail…………. Ever.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:08 AM

    The worse thing about this is that even if the banks were fined they would invent a way to lump the fines on to the customers by way of extra smart ass charges. The name of the game is profit and don’t anyone forget that.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 5:22 AM

    They have a zero approach, they do feck all

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    Oct 29th 2017, 9:39 PM

    So stupidly long I gave up.

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    Oct 29th 2017, 10:00 PM

    @Nial D: as long as you and your ilk are around, ff/fg will continue to strive

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    Oct 29th 2017, 11:55 PM

    @Nial D: Keep getting your news from Twitter so. Ffs, complaining about the very rare occasion that the journal put up a detailed article with some context and has been properly edited.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:48 AM

    https://www.pressreader.com/@Fran_McCormack/csb_mePSEo-t2oJKlYClf_ydWY4v1wXzg8zLywRsxdcthlY

    You won’t read a better summing up of government, banks or the elite than this.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:10 PM

    Irish banks are above the law and they have been gifted that position by the Irish government.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 1:43 AM

    Stocks with a sponge FACT

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:24 AM

    If I robbed a bank I’d get 10 years in jail,in ireland you leave a bill to the irish tax payers for 64 billion euros,and nothing happens,this is the best little country in the world to be as corrupt as he’ll,the financial regulator walked away with a fat pension,bankers walked away,and the last government walked away,The new government where supposed to come in and change all that,The same situation same script different actors,please people never ever forget what these people did to us,they have ruined so many people’s life’s,nothing changed for them,But life will never be the same for all the people who suffered with the banks,and this spineless government just looked on and did nothing,I’m thinking of all those people who suffered with the banks

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:22 AM

    If I robbed a bank I’d get 10 years in jail,in ireland you leave a bill to the irish tax payers for 64 billion euros,and nothing happens,this is the best little country in the world to be as corrupt as he’ll,the financial regulator walked away with a fat pension,bankers walked away,and the last government walked away,The new government where supposed to come in and change all that,The same situation same script different actors,please people never ever forget what these people did to us,they have ruined so many people’s life’s,nothing changed for them,But life will never be the same for all the people who suffered with the banks,and this spineless government just looked on and did nothing,I’m thinking of all those people who suffered with the banks

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:53 AM

    An Irish Bank regulator what he/she lacks in intelligence he/she more than makes up for in stupidity. Fourth world institutions in a bankrupt state.

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    Mute Chris Turner
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    Oct 30th 2017, 2:19 AM

    If my auntie had balls should be my uncle

    What a stupid question

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:45 PM

    Ireland is THE most corrupt country in Western Europe and it is quite scary to see that a sitting TD seems not be aware of that fact. The fact of the matter is that when you have complete political control of the DPP you are invulnerable.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:44 AM

    There’s no zero-tolerance shown to people without a TV Licence.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:23 AM

    If I robbed a bank I’d get 10 years in jail,in ireland you leave a bill to the irish tax payers for 64 billion euros,and nothing happens,this is the best little country in the world to be as corrupt as he’ll,the financial regulator walked away with a fat pension,bankers walked away,and the last government walked away,The new government where supposed to come in and change all that,The same situation same script different actors,please people never ever forget what these people did to us,they have ruined so many people’s life’s,nothing changed for them,But life will never be the same for all the people who suffered with the banks,and this spineless government just looked on and did nothing,I’m thinking of all those people who suffered with the banks

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:23 AM

    If I robbed a bank I’d get 10 years in jail,in ireland you leave a bill to the irish tax payers for 64 billion euros,and nothing happens,this is the best little country in the world to be as corrupt as he’ll,the financial regulator walked away with a fat pension,bankers walked away,and the last government walked away,The new government where supposed to come in and change all that,The same situation same script different actors,please people never ever forget what these people did to us,they have ruined so many people’s life’s,nothing changed for them,But life will never be the same for all the people who suffered with the banks,and this spineless government just looked on and did nothing,I’m thinking of all those people who suffered with the banks

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    Mute Marco Pollo
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    Oct 31st 2017, 1:31 PM

    The real scam here is fractional reserve banking and fiat currencies controlled by private interests.

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