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Explainer: Would Ireland be required to have a referendum before joining Nato?

The Taoiseach has said a referendum wouldn’t be required – constitutional law experts disagree.

THE INVASION OF Ukraine by Russia and subsequent calls for international leaders to step in and assist has sparked a now months-long debate about Ireland’s neutrality.

The country’s top politicians have repeatedly stated that while Ireland is not ‘politically neutral’ in relation to the war in Ukraine, it remains militarily neutral. And they have stated there is no intention to seek membership of the Nato military alliance. 

However yesterday the Taoiseach caused a stir among constitutional law experts when he stated that the government, if it did decide joining Nato was in the country’s best interests, would not have to put the issue to a vote in a referendum. 

Speaking to reporters in Strasbourg, Micheál Martin said Ireland would need a referendum to join a European Union defence pact if one was declared because there are provisions in the Constitution that would demand it.

However he said: “We don’t need a referendum to join Nato. That’s a policy decision of government.”

A number of constitutional law experts have weighed in, stating that one particular Supreme Court ruling makes it clear the government would need to have a referendum unless it wanted to face court challenges. Here’s what they told The Journal:

First of all, what is Nato?

Nato is a defence alliance, with a primary goal to defend its member states. It has both political and military infrastructures in place to help it implement that. 

The legal treaty on which Nato is based is the North Atlantic Treaty of 1949. Article 5 of this treaty states that if one Nato member state is attacked, all Nato member states will provide assistance and come to their defence.

Why would Ireland’s membership of Nato need to go to a referendum?

Dr David Kenny, associate professor at the Trinity College School of Law, said the law on this point “is fairly clear”. 

“The courts haven’t ruled directly on this point but based on the current case law we have it would be a significant departure from one of the most significant Supreme Court judgements in Irish constitutional law to join Nato without a referendum,” he told The Journal.

He cited a 1987 Supreme Court case, Crotty v an Taoiseach, which centred on the government’s attempt to ratify the Single European Act with an ordinary act of parliament. 

“There was a possibility of joint foreign policy efforts under amendments to EU treaties. The courts said that in potentially giving up sovereignty over foreign policy decision-making the government had crossed a constitutional line,” he explained.

The court in that particular case said the State could not sign up to an arrangement that could result in a loss of its power to say ‘no’ – a power of veto essentially – to these kinds of policies. 

“Then it comes down to what exactly it means to sign up to Nato,” Kenny said. “I am not an expert in Nato, but my understanding from reading around it suggested to me that at the heart of Nato is a series of defence commitments that do require collective action without individual states consenting to those actions.”

Could the Taoiseach be right?

Constitutional law is by no means cut-and-dried, Dr Eoin Daly, lecturer in the School of Law at NUI Galway told The Journal, and there was a case after the Crotty ruling that may have muddied the waters. 

That case was taken by independent TD Thomas Pringle against the Irish government in 2012 and related to the European Stability Mechanism. Although this mechamism was about financial expenditure on a European level and not about foreign policy, it is still relevant in the debate.

Dr Daly said now Chief Justice Donal O’Donnell, who was on the Supreme Court panel, “pulled back and tried to temper what the earlier judges had said in Crotty”.

“In Crotty, they said the State could be forced into a position against its will by the votes of other states and was giving away its right to formulate foreign policy,” he explained.

“Justice O’Donnell said they didn’t really mean it like that, in that absolute black-and-white way, they meant it in the context of that particular treaty. 

He said it was not practical to say that a State couldn’t be involved in international bodies where they might be outvoted – that has to happen – but it did mean that the State can’t put itself into a position where it was subordinating itself to others. So his view was that it was more about avoiding subordination than losing the right to say ‘no’ over something that may be mundane.

Daly said Justice O’Donnell in his opinion also specifically mentioned military alliances and entering into arrangements to pool powers with others. 

“That would seem to allude to something like Nato membership,” he said. But that is an obiter dictum – a by-the-way remark that doesn’t set a precedent and is not salient to the case.”

Although this remark did not set a precedent, it potentially does give an indication of one Supreme Court judge’s view on the matter if the government was brought to court over a Nato membership move in the future.

“We tend to talk about these things as if there is a right or wrong answer but it depends on what a court decides, it comes down to a majority. It’s possible to argue a case both ways,” he said.

Dr Daly said he was “surprised” at the Taoiseach’s remarks because the government has, in the past, taken a more cautious approach to these types of issues. 

“Whatever about the legal niceties of it, I have a feeling it wouldn’t be politically popular to effect huge historical change without a referendum, there’s an expectation that the public will get a say on something as important as that.”

The Journal asked the Taoiseach’s office for further clarification on his comments – and the legal basis of his view – but did not receive a response by time of publication.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 7:46 AM

    If a fully grown and matured adult man or woman wishes to go through the process of transitioning, I say let them at it.
    But it is immoral and quite frankly child abuse to give pre-pubescent CHILDREN puberty blockers or to let them decide their own gender.
    I don’t know if anyone remembers that disgraceful TV programme, “I am Jazz”, basically a 2 year old boy asked his mother when would the fairy come to make him into a girl. By the age of 5 this CHILD, was diagnosed with gender disphoria. Trans activists are always silent when this is brought up.
    Apart from that, I think it’s socially responsible to teach 16 yr olds the basics of human sexuality (for their own protection) and for the younger kids, I think the example that peppa pig have where one of the characters has two mummies is also a very appropriate way to teach younger minds about the many different types of families we have in our modern world.
    But transitioning children is wrong and should be called out as such by everyone.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 8:05 AM

    @Kris Bopp: children don’t “transition”. Puberty blockers in countries where they are allowed are totally reversable. What is worse, what is actual child abuse is forcing a child to live a life as someone they are not. The suicide rate among trans kids is astronomical as a result. As for kids” choosing their own gender “….you do realise gender is a social construct and nothing to do with what’s between your kegs? You’re thinking of sex. Children are not allowed to change sex therefore your point is moot.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 9:09 AM

    @Gearóid MacEachaidh: the suicide rate is not astronomical. Please stop this false narrative; it’s unhelpful and comes across as manipulative.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 9:31 AM

    @Sean Ryan: Suicidal Ideation in Trans kids and teens is VERY high.
    “Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth.”

    Austin A, Craig SL, D’Souza S, McInroy LB. Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors. J Interpers Violence. 2022 Mar;37(5-6):NP2696-NP2718. doi: 10.1177/0886260520915554. Epub 2020 Apr 29. Erratum in: J Interpers Violence. 2020 Jul 29;:886260520946128. PMID: 32345113.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 9:58 AM

    @Sean Ryan: I’m working at the moment but I’ll be happy to provide stats this afternoon. You’re wrong.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 10:24 AM

    @Tricia G: @Tricia G: Above all, every effort should be made to support anyone who needs it. Support for young people is essential; I say that as a former gender non-conforming youth (and a current gay man).

    My criticism is that suicidal ideation is the not the same as suicide rate. Conflating them is irresponsible.

    This research focuses on specific theories, namely minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide.

    The overall jist is that there are myriad factors that impact suicidal ideation in young people; this may be higher for those with trans identities due to concomitant disorders as well as lack of support and being in a minority.

    Points to be made clear (not problems, but need to be know)
    This is secondary research. As with many studies, there will be some biases that are difficult to overcome. Here, recruitment came from social media, Tumblr and Reddit. All information is self-reported. Again, this is not uncommon and not a flaw, but it needs to be clear that suicidality was not assessed or diagnosed by mental health professionals.
    Participant Characteristics are also worth looking at for anyone interested. A disproportionate number of transmen, which alone is worth research.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 10:27 AM

    @Sean Ryan: facts are nothing when confronted with your edgelord catchphrases. Is there any word more used by the clueless to sound knowledgable than ‘narrative’?

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 10:39 AM

    @A$AP ETH: So no one can use the word “narrative”? OK. Then the statement about astronomical suicide rates is inaccurate.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 10:49 AM

    @Sean Ryan: Ah, so when presented with actual scientific papers identifying that Trans youth have a very high rate of suicidal ideation and ATTEMPTED suicide you try and suggest that because they weren’t successful it’s not a problem.

    Every single statistic has clearly demonstrated that trans youth have a high rate of suicide (if they’re not alive, they can’t report that they’re suicidal).

    “In a study presented to the American Academy of Pediatrics, research showed a 60% decrease in moderate and severe depression who received gender-affirming care.

    Additionally, there was 73% decrease in suicidality among transgender youth and non-binary youth. A fantastic feat for a community with an alarmingly high transgender suicide rate.” – Research Finds Significant Reduction in Depression, Suicidality in Youth Receiving Gender-Affirming Care or Puberty Blockers

    Trans youth commit suicide and report suicidal thoughts at a rate far higher then Cis youth.

    And the kicker – what lowers suicidal ideation is being ACCEPTED by their families and being accepted for who they are.

    It is appalling to me that you’re so desperate to support your intolerance of trans youth that you would ignore the repeatedly reported facts.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 10:51 AM

    @Gearóid MacEachaidh: Puberty blockers are not totally reversible. Among other concerns, they are known to cause loss of bone density, leading to a higher risk of fractures and osteoporosis. The majority of children who are prescribed puberty blockers also go on to take cross sex hormones, which in adults can increase the risk of certain cancers, infertility, heart problems and even psychosis. The truth is there is simply not enough known about the long term effects of puberty blockers to allow anyone to state they are reversible and that’s why the Irish Council of General Practitioners and the NHS no longer describe them as such.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 11:07 AM

    @Sean Ryan: Suicidal Ideation is all you have to go on. The prevalance of actual suicide in the community are undocumented. You can unfortunately assume that if the attempt rate is that high in this community that the actual rate must be elevated too. You yourself acknoweldged in your previous post that they are a minority community with a lack of support. Which gearoid implied was a factor in the high rate of SI , so you actually agreed with him but padded it out with waffle about how their must be other factors at play, in the face of data confirming this community is significantly more at risk of suicide. Would you attempt to explain away the suicidal ideation of another less marginalised community to downplay the issues that led to that persons suicide/suicide attempt? I doubt it.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 7:41 AM

    What do you want to do, send in Samantha Power to threaten them a “color revolution”? The people of Hungary elected Mr Orban, whether liberal busybodies like it or not.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 8:30 AM

    @west awake: Orban has fascist tendencies whether right wing busybodies like it being ponted out or not.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 3:31 PM

    @west awake: People are who they are, and shouldn’t be discriminated against when it comes to healthcare. At all. You’re entitled as an EU member to travel and receive healthcare if you need any. Especially if you can’t get a necessary procedure or operation at home. There’s no good reason to exclude people just because they were born intersex or gay. Think of all the tourist revenue Hungary could benefit from if they weren’t putting visitors off with their mediaeval laws.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 10:17 AM

    The Irish population is in big decline. We need to acknowledge this and be a family friendly country.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 12:28 PM

    @Brian Boru: Brian you comment on every article, no job? Mates?

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 1:05 PM

    You know your over the target when you are taking flack. The enemy is upset.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 3:36 PM

    @Brian Boru: No, Ireland is not “in decline” & we have an increasing population who support our constitution and cherish all children of the nation equally. If you’d like to pay more taxes to subsidise Boris Johnson’s growing family, flights to the UK leave hourly, off you go & donate to the families of politicians.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 11:17 AM

    Let’s ban everything Fiona doesn’t like.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 8:37 AM

    How very uninclusive , should be LGBTQQIP2SA+

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    Mar 23rd 2023, 11:56 AM

    Thank God for Viktor Orban , Thank God for a Leader who isn’t afraid to take a stand against LGBTQ+’s agenda of pushing sexual perversions on communities .

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    Mar 24th 2023, 3:30 PM

    @FixoUZLA: what agenda Jim? What perversions exactly? What’s wrong with anyone being gay? Looking forward to your answer.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 7:56 AM

    Kick em out of the EU! There urgently needs to be a new treaty drawn up anyway, making certain minimum requirements before a country can apply to join the EU. Obvious stuff like financial stability and regulations but human rights and equality has to be one part of it.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 9:49 AM

    @Gearóid MacEachaidh: good and while you are at it can I suggest that Ireland reforms it’s membership too and stops inflicting excessive high costs on citizens for car sales vrt , insurance premiums and instead allows us enjoy the benefits of the single market membership like it is suppose to / instead of insisting that we retain our own tax regimes that then force us to pay some of the highest prices for items like cars and insurances as an example / an example if car insurance was charged as cover Europe wide it would be much cheaper but there’s a whole range of expenses in Ireland where we don’t enjoy this single European principle in reality at all / instead we pontificate about other member states laws we don’t like / such hypocrisy

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    Mar 23rd 2023, 7:15 PM

    Yet another article about hungary being the absolute devil and Orban is the worst Ten years ago no one knew about this country,no one ever cared. Suddenly when the leftist agenda suits, everyone talks about it. I’m glad to know that there are countries where kids can be kids and not part of politics. Eat up all what america serves you up in this country, cause they are always so right in everything. Nothing but a follower yous are.

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    Mar 24th 2023, 3:30 PM

    @G.G M: 10 years ago it wasn’t this bad. Use your head.

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    Mar 22nd 2023, 1:50 PM

    Oh I wouldn’t be too concerned about these children wanted blue hair and boys wearing skirts, I think it’s just kids been bold, they’ll be grand when they reach college age, as soon as they realize the other students are laughing at them they won’t be long in going back to normal behaviour, it’s just a faze they’re going through. I don’t why it gets so many column inches. Relax everybody.

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    Mar 26th 2023, 8:41 AM

    Go Hungary!

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