No campaigners say Google's ban on ads is attempt to rig referendum for Yes side

@A Piece of Chalk: he is hilarious, unfortunatly he dosent realise he’s comedian. Check out twitter account @johnmcguirksays. Its all true, and it brilliant!

@Quango: Mcguirk has just summed up the no campaign nicely. A level playing field = them being the victims…its unfair…bias….waaaaa

@quango
Hopefully their assessment is correct and the anti side will loose the referendum because of this!

They still have the advantage from a propaganda point of view with only an anti abortion message coming from the churches. Surely under the legislation the priests should be giving equal time to the yes side? … open to legal challenge perhaps??

@HelloGoogleTracking: You used the word child 4 times in that rant. Have the anti-choice side now moved from baby > child? Will it be the ‘teenager in the womb’ next week?

@HelloGoogleTracking:
Don’t even know where to start.

Its a while since i read such unadulterated junk.

@HelloGoogleTracking: Excellent update and detail from HelloGoogleTracking. NO side gaining momentum for all the reasons you stated…VOTE NO.

@HelloGoogleTracking: maybe you’d like to line up all the pregnant the women and pick who you allow to have an abortion? I bet it’s only the ones who had non-consensual sex. How about the ones who had contraception failure those sluts! Even though half of them are married and 80% have their partners support? Force more children on these women sure what do they know about their own lives better than you? No your principles are so strong you’re able to put your own name behind them! Oh wait….

@HelloGoogleTracking:

“- FFA / rape / incest – can all be added to a limited amendment”
Aside from the outrageous suggestion of putting time limits in the constitution, can you elaborate on this, specifically, please. How, exactly, do you propose this is done, or do you really just think that these women should just have to deal with it?

@HelloGoogleTracking: https://www.skeptical-science.com/critical-thinking/thoughts-abortion-carl-sagan/

Unbiased and articulate.

@Deborah Behan: Brutally honest but completely fair.

@HelloGoogleTracking: Honest question, How does not allowing either side to advertise on a private platform show bias against one side?

@Pconor: Keep it moving folks. Nothing to see here. Just @HelloGoogleTracking congratulating himself for another job well done.

@HelloGoogleTracking: I agree with many of your points and while I am am pro-life, I can’t bring myself to calling the unborn a child, especially early stages of gestation. I do believe that the unborn should be afforded better rights than what is proposed by the government.
Some of your points I agree with are:
- FFA / rape / incest – can all be added to a limited amendment
-Compassion is not a argument
-Trust women, an empty slogan is correct, of course there are some women I would trust completely, but others I wouldn’t trust if if my life depended on them. I know of women who have had several abortions as they don’t want their lifestyles interrupted, two I know well enough, they are done with that part of their lives, but it’s safe to say that it has scarred them forever.
I’m voting no because I want to see better legislation that truly protects women and the unborn, in my view, what’s being proposed doesn’t. I’m not a God freak or woman hater or someone with no compassion. I wouldn’t dare tell anybody how to vote as in this case I believe people should really vote with their own conscience. Some of the yes to repeal side have been quite nasty toward people voting the other way, in particular on this forum. Deborah Beehan with her usual common ranting and predictable hate or Mr Dogma himself with his pontificating will no doubt have a few things to say. There are some real extremists on both sides however and it shows the lack of respect they have for themselves, let alone anybody else.
Whichever way the referendum goes, I hope that the side that carries the repeal proposal have humility and those that don’t are gracious in defeat, although I won’t hold my breath for either.

@john doe: I don’t need any poster, ad, priest, for or against the referendum to help me make my mind up on how to vote, and I am sure the Irish electorate are educated enough to vote without any help from ad’s on Facebook or google.

@A Piece of Chalk: The term is the beginning of a human life

@Nick Drake: Nick it is so refreshing to see men like you come out and share your story. Women who are thinking of having an abortion will be helped into making their decision by your expertise and personal experience of pregnancy.

@Bat Daly: i presume you are referring to the journal.

@A Piece of Chalk:

All living human beings are the child of their parents – simple science – parents = mother and father.

That goes for foetus – teenager – adult etc – all the child of their parents.

Simple – Clarify for you now?

@Nick Drake, @HelloGoogleTracking: How do you suggest rape or incest is added? Are you happy with a woman’s word that she has been raped? Or that of a child, if she is the victim? Or does she have to wait for a prosecution? Do you know how likely that is to happen within the 10 weeks or so time limit? If not impossible, it’s pretty close to impossible. I really hope you have the answer, it could only help both sides, but I don’t see any solution to this issue…..

@Deborah Behan:

Any woman wanting abortion for FFA / rape / incest – obviously no problem.

The problem is when the child is healthy and there is no medical reason for the abortion – i.e. abortion on demand.

I cannot find any ethical justification for taking this life – and remember it is the mothers own living child in her womb.

I am happy for abortion during first 8 days – as per international best practice in terms of research on embryos – these were decided after consultation – considering all ethical considerations.

Aside from that – people are free to travel and follow laws in any foreign jurisdiction.

I would prefer to protect human rights here in Ireland – it seems self evidently correct and progressive in terms of human rights and equality.

Why remove human rights to allow killing human life? without a good reason?

@Deborah Behan: so you are ok with Aborting Healthy children .

@Bilbo Baggins:

Honest answer :

Both should be able to advertise anything they want within the law – that is the point of a campaign.

Not allowing the NO side get the argument out is biased because the YES side has the MSM and full gov pressure already – people need to hear both sides and there is obvious bias in most coverage so far.

Hence the fear from the YES side of people getting access to information.

Why is it you think the YES side want it banned and the NO side dont – if everything is as equal as you assume?

Think about it…

@Quango:

Easy.

In cases of rape or incest – require a garda report of that criminal offence.
Then allow abortion – also fully investigate the crime – hold criminal to justice.

In FFA – if diagnosis is present from doctors – allow abortion.

done.

@HelloGoogleTracking..: surely the only evidence the no side need is how wonderfully our law treats pregnant women right now? How compassionately it makes a woman carry a dead foetus to term or leave, how it makes her risk her own health up to the point of near death before allowing her get the best medical treatment available or leave, how it makes a rape victim carry a baby to term or leave, how it makes her shut up and get over it or leave. That’s the way you are fighting to keep things, I’m sorry, if you think you’re compassionate you need a dictionary and a mirror.

@Nick Drake: In order to allow abortions in the circumstances of FFA/Rape/Incest, the 8th has to actually be repealed. You cannot bestow a right and then make exceptions. This will lead to more uncertainty and possibly constitutional challenges. The place for this is in legislation not the constitution.

I must disagree with you with regards to compassion not being an argument. It most certainly is. You see the current system shows no compassion for the woman whatsoever. I suppose to understand this you would have to be a pregnant woman in a crisis/dangerous pregnancy. If you find the slogan empty, then you should perhaps think about it a little deeper.

You are not being asked to trust women to do what you think is right according to your morals, etc., you are being asked to trust women to know what is right for their lives, health and bodies and to make these decisions without the interference of strangers. You apparently don’t trust them and would like to prevent them from having any say in their own pregnancies.

@HelloGoogleTracking..: Again, I’ll ask, how do you propose we legislate to allow abortion for victims of rape or incest??

@HelloGoogleTracking..:

“In cases of rape or incest – require a garda report of that criminal offence.
Then allow abortion”

This would be unconstitutional, no? If a foetus has a right to life, then how could you make an exception here or there without repealing the 8th amendment? Why would one feotus have a right to life and another not?

Your argument also isn’t consistent with your stated beliefs on the right to life. You would condemn one foetus due to the circumstances of its conception, while defend another due to its own origins.

@Quango: have yet to see any stat produced by the no side proved wrong. Just because you believe the numbers paint your side in a bad light doesn’t make them less true.

@Change Everything: it’s not a level playing field, when all MSM, the government and most of the opposition are campaigning for yes. Now google have decided it is within their remit to influence elections.

@Michael Wall:

“1 in every 5 women who becomes pregnant in England will have an abortion.” – Quote is from the Love Both website.

This is untrue. It’s simply not correct. They are completely misrepresenting the statistics here. What they are taking this from is a descriptive statistic…basically a ratio.

In order to work out how many pregnant women have abortions they need to include miscarriages and still births. This makes their claim incorrect. Their ads are misleading at best!

@Elise: I would certainly agree that the 8th could be repealed if the proposed legislation thereafter offered more protection than it does.

@Nick Drake: Well why not vote for repeal and then lobby the TD’s? I really don’t think the proposed legislation will make it through the Dail. Half the Fianna Fail party and many (I don’t know how many) of the Fine Gael party are against repeal…..they’ll hardly vote for the proposed legislation. It would be very difficult for the Government to get this through the Dail.

@Nick Drake: if you want to see better legislation then you won’t be seeing it for another generation if the referendum is rejected l. It’s only if the 8th is repealed can ‘better’ legislation be introduced.

@Elise: Can we really trust our politicians to do the right thing? I think not. There’s no point in shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, but that’s just my personal opinion.

@A Piece of Chalk:
Ho, Ho, Ho; what a clever funny man.

@HelloGoogleTracking: Both sides are silenced in the run up. Level playing field. Stop whinging.

@EvieXVI:
It’s very simple really; killing a growing baby compounds the previous crimes, and is murder.
Rape is an awful crime of violence committed against a woman or girl, but an abortion does not erase the violence or heal the pain. It just ends the life of a second victim of the crime, an unborn child.

Research by the Elliot Institute found that between 75 percent to 85 percent of pregnant rape victims do not have abortions. Of those who did, many felt pressured or coerced to abort their unborn babies. And in many cases, the women who had abortions felt victimized again by the invasive abortion procedure.

@Nick Drake: The politicians have been terrified of touching this topic for decades. They certainly won’t be rushing back if this referendum is defeated. Many are very pro life with a lot wanting a complete ban on abortion, just like we currently have. If the referendum passes, do you really think that all the pro life groups will just pack up shop and go home? They will be lobbying hard to be as restrictive as possible. Citizens have the right to lobby their TD’s too.

It’s not that I trust TD’s to ‘do the right thing’, but I do trust that they will do their best to get reelected and that they will support what they think the majority of THEIR voter base wants. I also trust that they are very keen to wrap up this whole topic and move on.

@john doe: As a charitable organisation it shouldnt be making any political statements.

@HelloGoogleTracking: anonymous account, but your points are biased. 1, all those means of communication are regulated, not online. 2, there’s more arguments for pro and some of your arguments for no are nonsense. Be biased if you want, but that doesn’t make you right. The fact is that ireland is lagging the world on a basic right, the right to make your own decision here. Forcing women in ALL situations to have no choice is archaic. You might not like it, but there ARE cases where abortion is the best option and outlawing it is not a way forward. Abuse is not guaranteed

@Nick Drake: P.S. Great Comment !!!

I agree

@A Piece of Chalk: hey don’t mind that John…. that goon John Waters is on Ivan Yates show tomorrow evening angering for a no vote…. Yes side laughing all the way to repeal.

@A Piece of Chalk: Notice how “the child deserves consideration”
“The Father deserves consideration….but no mention of “the woman deserves consideration” so much for the notion of Love Both…shoots that argument out of water doesn’t it

@Elise: “This would be unconstitutional, no? If a foetus has a right to life, then how could you make an exception here or there without repealing the 8th amendment? Why would one feotus have a right to life and another not?”

To do it requires an amendment to constitution specifying these conditions the same as threat to woman life was added.

It is called balance of rights, courts do it all the time – it is the purpose of courts.

In this case the constitution would state that in those conditions the balance is in favour of the woman, and an abortion would be legal.

It wouldn’t require repeal of 8th – simply another amendment…..adding these details.

@John Owens:

Yes John an amendment is required to allow for those extreme cases you say – i agree with that.

What i don’t agree with is sneaking abortion under cover of always using these hard cases – this ignores all the lives being lost – healthy boy and girls.

Abuse is guaranteed – just look at every country where it is legal – human nature is human nature.

@Thomas Francis:
No one has ever suggested that terminating a pregnancy as a result of rape in ANY way erases the experience. But no woman should have to deal with the added stress of pregnancy. What if the victim, is a12-year-old child? Do you believe that a non-viable organism with the potential to, quite literally, kill that 12-year-old, has ‘rights’? Do you think that you can sit in judgement of ANY woman who decides that she can take no more physical, psychological, or emotional pain? Really?
And if you think that David Reardon, with his arch-conservative, right-wing, Christian beliefs would have any to say other than that a termination will make a woman feel worse? He and his Institute are hardly trustworthy, but, he’s in the USA. A country with an appalling track-record when it comes to human rights.
In Ireland, I think many will find this view repugnant.

@HelloGoogleTracking: The entire world is aware that external digital media interference with national elections is anti-democratic. What gives pro-birth the ‘special kinda stoopid’ hall pass?

@EvieXVI:
Did you read of the person, who under your lights, would have been destroyed at birth ? Is she a real person ? Does she matter?
All you seem to do is react with vitriol as opposed to consider the matter.

@Thomas Francis: after careful consideration I believe that a living, breathing, vibrant human being has more right than any non-viable life form with only the potential to become a person.

@Dave O Keeffe: Well said.

@Deborah Behan: my friend took his own life after an abortive from his girlfriend.

@Patricia Cooney:

Men don’t matter – the unborn doesn’t matter – jeez…..how dont you know this yet.

All that matters is the expediency and convenience of the mother to kill her own child for any reason……anything else is irrelevant.

@stephen: amnesty (abortion) international are the group with massive foreign funding who are refusing to return SOROs funds.

No one can deny the rigging attempted by Irish media.

All political parties using government funds to pay for Yes votes.

This election will go down in history as the biggest attempted rigging of all time, can’t wait for the No win.

@eric nelligan: when all else fails, call it a fix.

Btw, it’s a referendum not an election.

@eric nelligan: How are parties paying for yes votes?

Do you mean if I vote Yes (which im doing anyway) that ill be entitled to some money?

@Mark McDermott: See you with the brave “You’ll never beat the Irish” flag.

Maybe you should put a disclaimer at the bottom that you are allowed to end the life of some Irish boys and girls as long as they are 12 weeks.

Maybe the slogan – ‘Ireland of a thousand welcomes’ has to go as well given that the population wants to decide who can and who cannot enter society for no reason.

I would tend to agree. As well as that, the No ads are full of wilful, scaremongering misinformation. I will say this for them though, they have plenty of brass neck.

@Gkell1: that’s some mental gymnastics right there.

@Quango: Hey, this idea of the friendly Irish who wouldn’t harm a fly away from home contrasts with the enthusiastic extermination policies sought for on this island by pro-choice. Law and order is there to do nothing else other than protect life but when law becomes an entitlement vehicle say goodbye to a spirited Irish society unless you call advocacy groups screaming for every sort of entitlement to be spirited.

@Gkell1: wouldn’t hurt a fly away from home? We’ve fought on both sides of almost all major wars going back quite a long way. Step out of your bubble there I think your brain has been starved if oxygen for too long

@Gkell1: if people want it they will go to the UK anyway. Plus abortion pills are available to order online even if they are not legal to use. Voting no won’t actually prevent abortions happening. They just won’t happen in a place where people feel safe and comfortable. This is inevitable. Half the people voting no will be dead in 15 years

@Nick Drake: And both sides are impacted by the ban but only one side is whinging about it.

@Clever Jake: ironic that the only side pulled on outside money is Yes group amnesty\abortion international who are defying an order to return €150000

@Nick Drake: i’ve seen zero ads online from the yes side. every single ad i’ve seen is from the no side.

i’m glad this ban is happening, tbh.. people are after seriously losing the run of themselves with this referendum.

i had dinner with my dad this evening, and he was telling me that a group at the university he works for has declared that the entire campus is on the yes side, and isn’t giving the no side a chance.. this is the first i’ve heard of such tactics from the yes side, and whilst i’m a yes supporter, as is my dad, we both very much condemned this, as it’s causing a lot of workplace and college friction.

granted, the majority of the underhandedness i’ve seen personally has been from the no side. still, at least i’m being fair by condemning the yes side when i hear of someone doing something that isn’t right or fair.

@Mirabelle Stonegate: I was watching YouTube yesterday and every ad was regarding the referendum. Very clever advertising it because both sides ads weren’t only a few seconds long so you couldn’t skip them.

@The Risen: That’s not my point.

@Tricia G: Some are certainly whinging about it not me. I think it’s a good thing. People of all ages are online and I don’t think young kids are equipped to understand the issues, nor do I think most adults can deal with difficult questions from kids who’ve been exposed to online campaigning.

@Nick Drake: So why just this poll? It’s our new cultural elite, in the name of “equal rights”, just closing down one of the few information outlets where they don’t have control.

@Hugh MacKenzie: why just this poll? It’s the first one since some pretty startling revelations about Facebook and how their advertising model works, it’s not just this one, this is the first one

@clever jake
So, from your links pedos are staunchly anti abortion?.. makes sense i suppose

@Gkell1: constructing convoluted, obfuscated questions was exactly how the religious right got full exposure to both the question, potential options, and media in each of the previous referenda. The current option – remove complexity to a simple one line; the current government with legislate. “12 weeks” can be legislated to 0 weeks or 48 months, depending on the demands of the electorate. It’s the only way to change with the will of the people, so there is no reason to think it is anything other than pure democracy.

@Gulliver Foyle: ” It’s the only way to change with the will of the people, so there is no reason to think it is anything other than pure democracy.”

It changes the role of law and order to society insofar as presently the law is there to protect life in Irish society but will turn into an entitlement vehicle for one section of society to end life with impunity. It involves dehumanisation language even when medical language identifies gender before 8 weeks so do not mistake mob convictions for the ‘will of the people’. The Brexit crowd are going ahead wrecking their nation using a poorly thought out referendum but this is a life and death matter.

* The Brexit crowd are going ahead wrecking their nation using a poorly thought out referendum which resulted in the ‘will of the people’ shield.

@Gkell1: Did they ban your other accounts Gerald?

@Ron North: he just can’t let a discussion on the referendum pass without bringing the word ‘entitlement’ into it. A dead give-away :)

@Kim Murphy: read a few articles in the paper and you’ve caught the yes campaign red handed??? Except the US funding for an election, which is illegal. That somehow is fine is it?

@Kim Murphy: amnesty “international” got a donation no Irish group did but don’t leave facts stand in your way

@Dave Doyle: you can dress up abortion any way you want but the whole country knows it’s killing babies.
You really under estimate the people of Ireland.

@Jonathan:it’s baybeez

@Kim Murphy: that money was just resting in my account before I moved it! ……. a good long rest.

@Jonathan: no babies are being killed.

@Kim Murphy: Based on the postering quantities visible and the online onslaught till today it seems pretty clear that the No side is outspending the Yes vote by an order of magnitude.

@jonathan

Who is killing babies??
Thats terrible. Do the gards know? Would have been far easier just to abort them when they were feotuses before they became babies.

@Brian Madden:

“no babies are being killed”

In abortion the unborn human developing baby dies – fact. A foetus is a life stage of the baby / child / human being / child.

Hiding behind semantics is the lowest form of cowardice…..if a foetus is not a living human being – what exactly do you believe it is?

Do you also argue a “adult” is not a human being – it is a “adult” only……
Different stages of a humans life have different words to define them – all are subsets of human being, all are subsets of child.

At every stage of life you are the child of your parents – even as a Foetus – basic science – basic logic – basic reason……try it instead of your denial and lies.

@HelloGoogleTracking: it’s not a fact just because you say so. Nobody will be charged with murder for having a termination. Why is that do you reckon?

@HelloGoogleTracking: Do you call an infant a teenager? No ? Then why do you call an embryo a neonate when it is clearly not one..A human embryo is a human embryo.

@Jonathan: Note “Jonathan’s” twitter profile Jonatha42384381, joined April 2018, seems legit to me.

@Kim Murphy: Amnesty are not using the funding they got from Soris on the referendum, but you knew that already.

@Jonathan: 4 Weeks: Size of a sesame seed…….
5 Weeks: Size of a sunflower seed…..
6 Weeks: Size of a raisin…….
7 Weeks: Size of a blueberry…….
8 Weeks: Size of a raspberry…….
9 Weeks: 9/10 inch, 1/10 ounce, size of a cherry…….
10 Weeks: 1 1/4 inches ,1/8 ounce, size of a strawberry……
11 Weeks: 1 1/2 inches long, 1/4 ounce, size of an apricot……
12 Weeks: 2 inches long, 1/2 ounce, size of a lime

More than 90% of abortions take place during this period. Does any of that sound like a description of a baby

@Brian Madden:

True – it is not a fact because i say so – it is because all of human knowledge and science say so.

Present your definition of baby – I will present mine. Then we can have a rational conversation.

If you deny an unborn human life is the child of its parents – you deny reality.

You have no argument – only empty deflections and slogans.

@Brian Madden: yes no babies are being killed due to the 8th Amendment. If the 8th is abolished many many babies aka foetuses aka unborn children will be terminated aka killed. The yes to repeal side would have more consideration for a pet kitten. Vote no please. Lets not give the govt and the courts a free for all with our fundamental law.

@Jeremy DeChad: Irish women are having abortions. Irish women are travelling daily to the UK and then you have Irish women and teenage girls buying abortion pills online and taking them without medical supervision. Unsafe abortions are happening on irish soil. We need to repeal the eight so that Irish women can have safe terminations without the need to travel or buy pills from the internet

@Pale Blue Dot: what an absurd argument. Yes they all describe the size of the developing human in its early stages. So at what fruit size do u think it actually is a human and morally should not be killed. U are a muppet lol

@Brian Madden:

Unsafe abortion are happening in the UK where abortion is legal – they will always happen irrespective of whether abortion is legal or not.

That is a red herring – as you well know

@HelloGoogleTracking..: that’s your opinion. I don’t deny anything. I understand perfectly what abortion is and I value the life of a pregnant woman more than that of a foetus. I am also In no position to be judge and jury, I trust the pregnant woman to make the best decision for her and that is why I am pro choice.

@Brian Madden: The beginning of a human life is being terminated.

@Brian Madden:

Fair enough Brian – that is a reasonable comment.

However it is lacking one crucial element – consideration of the unborn child (or human life if you prefer).

You seem to think this is expendable – and should not be covered by human rights – allowing the mother to make the decision and trusting her sounds great.

However what about untrustworthy women – who will end the life of their child out of expedience or selfishness or panic or fear – who may live to regret it number one – and the child deserves some protection no?

I am sure we both are 100% on the hard cases – what i am referring too is abortion on demand without any reason string enough to justify ending a healthy life.

What other area of law do you trust anyone irrespective of gender of ending another life?

@richard fennessy: Actually there were at least 2 irish groups, in addition to amnesty that received sorus funding – but don’t let facts get in the your way! https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/billionaire-soros-funding-groups-fighting-to-repeal-irish-abortion-ban-34980624.html

@Carl: you’re right. Search ‘the 8th amendment’ on Google. Together 4 Yes ranks number 1 on the serps with a Google Ad. So they will also be affected.

@Jonathan: my Facebook has been flooded with no ads, can’t recollect any from the repeal side.

@Jonathan: missed the point. Press, posters, tv, radio are all regulated. Online is not. Allowing unregulated means of communication leads to all manner of total misinformation. Not to mind how much many no posters are already misinforming people to sway votes out of those unwilling to do enough reading to make up their own mind

@Tricia G: I think you will find it was a comment not a personal attack so deep breaths…….