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Campaigners says posters advertising pro-choice march removed illegally in Dublin

The Abortion Rights Campaign said its posters were removed in Rathmines and in some areas in the city centre.

POSTERS ADVERTISING AN abortion rights march in Dublin next week have been taken down illegally in certain areas, according to pro-choice campaigners.

The Abortion Rights Campaign – which is holding a March for Choice in Dublin city this Saturday – said its posters were removed in Rathmines and in some areas in the city centre.

A spokesperson for the organisation Linda Kavanagh told TheJournal.ie that the posters had been up for less than 24 hours when they were removed.

said Kavanagh.

“We have permission from Dublin City Council, which we get every year and we make sure to not poster in areas we don’t have permission to.

We rely on grassroots ways to get our message to the public.

The posters were erected across the city centre yesterday.

Kavanagh said that a campaigner who erected the posters in Rathmines said that the majority had been removed by this evening.

She said another person had contacted the campaign saying that posters had also been removed from the Liffey Street area.

The March for Choice in an annual event held in Dublin city every September.

The Facebook event page for the main march has close to 5,000 people attending.

“We had 10,000 on the street last year for the March for Choice,” said Kavanagh.

The Abortion Rights Campaign is calling for the Repeal of the Eighth Amendment which grants the equal right to life to the mother and the unborn child.

A Citizens Assembly is due to commence in the coming weeks where the issue of having a referendum on the Eighth Amendment will be discussed.

It will be made up of 99 Irish citizens and chaired by Justice Mary Laffoy, a serving judge of the Supreme Court.

It is believed that a complaint has been made to the gardaí in relation to the removal of the posters.

TheJournal.ie has contacted gardaí in order to confirm that a complaint has been made.

Read: For and against: The letters Irish people have written to the Taoiseach about abortion

Read: Health Minister says it was “important” to respond to women who live-tweeted their abortion journey

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    Mute Seán Mc Cormack
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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:07 PM

    It was a common occurrence during the marriage ref too.

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    Mute Stephen Duffy
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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:43 PM

    And the yes side even videoed themselves doing it but nothing fine about it.

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    Mute Lad
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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:56 PM

    Posters and no referendum?

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:58 PM

    @Lad: seeking a Referendum, the democratic opportunity to vote.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:31 PM

    I’m non religious agnostic who disagrees with late term abortions on demand. The violent verbal attacks on anyone who shares this opinion by abortion on demand campaigners who are in the minority is exactly why they will lose any potential referendum.

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    Mute John Byrne
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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:37 PM

    @”Clever Jake” You do not need to be religious to oppose the casual disposal of unborn children, to want to protect the rights of a child when they are at their most vulnerable? You don’t need religious belief to know the casual liberalisation of their destruction is wrong. Anyone with a shred of morality should know its wrong, if not you are devoid of morality. Bravo you

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:37 PM

    @Mise Éire: I know of no group or individuals advocating for late term abortions on demand.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:38 PM

    @Mise Éire: what do you mean by “late term abortions on demand” ?

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:39 PM

    @John Byrne: there is no such thing as an unborn child. A child has been born. Pre-birth there is no child.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:41 PM

    “unborn child” versus human being

    My morals tell me to take the side of the human being -every time.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:51 PM

    @Clon Lad: Is a fetus a human being? After all the Church would not allow them to be buried in hallowed ground until recently……

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:01 PM

    @Kerry Blake: a foetus has the potential to become a human being, circumstances permitting, but is not a human being, is not legally recognised as having human personhood.

    If a foetus were to be a human being, then the foetus could never be sacrificed, not even to save the life of the pregnant woman, even if continuation of the pregnancy were to kill her.

    The foetus is contingent, not absolute, and is inferior to the life of a real human being, the pregnant woman.

    No pregnant woman deserves to be relegated to mere parity with a foetus.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:03 PM

    @Michael. Haha.. Thats right.. The fairies sprinkle the magic dust on the ‘fetus’ on its way out of the womb and Voila.. A child .

    Amazing the mental gymnastics some will perform to justify liberalizing destruction of the unborn

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:23 PM

    Kerry Lad – I do believe that Michael has answered the question that you asked

    To be a human ‘being’,one must not live inside of another person..

    Human Zygote-Human Embryo-Human Foetus -Human Being

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:30 PM

    @Seán Mc Cormack:
    I regularly remove posters for this meeting and that meeting mainly by AAA and PBP and the socialist party from outside my window. I should not have to look at these fluttering in the wind until they fall off the lamppost. They are an eyesore and litter that should not be there. But of course all the people here will disagree and red thumb this comment. They do not have these posters right outside their windows, and I support repealing the 8th but don’t want them staring in the window all day when I open the curtains.

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    Mute Seán Mc Cormack
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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:42 PM

    I don’t know of one that condemn it …not one ! The refusal to address term limits is shocking!

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    Mute Seán Mc Cormack
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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:44 PM

    Versus what ? It’s not a battle ..it’s a choice that certain woman wish for ..most of the time for no other reason than convenience…70% are carried out without any tests determining a risk to the mothers health !

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:52 PM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: most (over 60%) of the women who procure an abortion are already a parent.What gives us the right to force them to have another child that they don’t want..

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:26 PM

    We don’t have the right to force them to have another child but we do have the right to prevent abortions taking place (outside very controlled circumstances ) in Ireland …it’s called the right to life of the unborn & long may it continue !

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:40 PM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: there is no such thing as an “unborn”. There is a foetus.

    The rights of the pregnant woman should take absolute precedence. That is why the 8th Amendment should be repealed.

    The 8th Amendment gives inflated importance to the foetus and insufficient importance to the life, health, welfare and interests of the pregnant woman.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:33 PM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: how about this, Seán – you will never need an abortion. However, some women do, so what’s your problem with them having them here rather than having to go abroad? You really ought to try and see the opposite point of view and imagine how you would feel if your wife, daughter, sister, girlfriend became pregnant as a result of rape or was found to be carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality. Would it not be their choice then, and would you equate the foetus with the woman?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:56 PM

    Wow Fintan I never thought about any of those examples you gave me …keep up the good work …the women of Ireland need you ..that video is brilliant too …powerful and I love the sweat shirts too …
    Groupthink groupthink groupthink !!!!

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:58 PM

    Fintan, a woman should not have to be dominated, violated and humiliated to be entitled to her own autonomy, just by the way, in the case of rape. Abortion for anyone who needs it, none of my business why.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:02 PM

    No such thing as unborn ……I’ve heard it all now !

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:13 PM

    @Seán McCormack: the “unborn” is a made up term, emotive in nature, and an oxymoron.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:18 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: woman’s body and so woman’s freedom to make her own choice.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 1:06 AM

    @Seán Mc Cormack:

    “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” – Ronald Reagan

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    Sep 19th 2016, 1:25 AM

    @Clon Lad: @Seán Mc Cormack:

    Human – Human – Human – Human, what part of that process don’t you understand?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 2:08 AM

    Do pregnant women count as two in the census? You know, the thing that counts the number of humans in the country.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:13 AM

    “right to life of the unborn” -sorry, Sean,but they don’t have a “right to life” -not one of us have that ..

    Ken – do you consider an embryo at an IVF clinic Human ? Yes or No?

    I’m sorry if the different stages to get to a human being is upsetting to you..

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:57 AM

    If a pregnant woman is hit by a bus and dies ….who do her family mourn ? Just her ?? The census is a way of counting things not validation of the existence of life !

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    Sep 19th 2016, 8:17 AM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: If a pregnant woman was hit by a bus & only one could survive -who would you save?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 8:52 AM

    The law already has this covered since the last referendum….I hope it never happens to anybody yourself included. ..however the repeal mafia want abortion on request with no term limits or restrictions. ..they haven’t a hope , thank God!

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    Sep 19th 2016, 8:58 AM

    You mean they want no term limits like ‘Canada?’

    A country where 0.8% of abortions are done after the 20th week-that place?

    Don’t go thanking your ‘God’,as she killed many in the womb..

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    Sep 19th 2016, 9:54 AM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: It doesn’t continue and you prevent nothing. Women just get abroad to get rid of pregnancy. All you do is experience enormous enjoyment in knowing that you make other people’s lives as hard as possible.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:36 AM

    Not a wise thing to go quoting Ronald Reagan on here,Ken ..

    Not after what he signed the ‘Therapeutic Abortion Act’ into law in California ..Jus’ sayin’

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:59 AM

    @Clon Lad: ah so you believe in God ? There’s hope for you so !

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    Sep 19th 2016, 11:32 AM

    Aww bless Séan can’t read. Clon Lad never mentioned his beliefs, merely laughed at yours

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:13 PM

    @John Byrne: “You do not need to be religious to oppose the casual disposal of unborn children”

    Such a sick mind you have, Seems common among antichoicers. Acting as if women are having abortions willy nilly just so they don’t have to bring up children is disgusting and one of the main reasons your side is so detested. And this new I’m not religious BS you all come out with, It doesn’t make your point any more valid just because you are not superstitious. The fact is you don’t trust women to make the right decision for them and their families even though it has nothing to do with you. If you lot just admitted that at least people would admire your honesty. Regardless of how idiotic it is.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:15 PM

    “She killed many in womb” ??? Poor Donal….too much time on your hands since the marriage ref ….

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:07 PM

    Anti-choicers preventing people having information, say it isn’t so!

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:30 PM

    @Larry Doyle: they will probably replace them with posters telling women of they have abortions they’ll get cancer and commit suicide.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:31 PM

    @Phil Blanc: or become child abusers

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:16 PM

    anti choice side getting more and more desperate as polls increasingly showing how out of touch they are

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:23 PM

    @Joe B Kane: spoken like a true fundamentalist and zealot.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:08 PM

    All posters should be banned

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:17 PM

    Catchy slogan, you should put it on a poster

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:38 PM

    Agreed.. Especially those funded by foreign powerful billionaires with vested interests.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:41 PM

    @John Byrne: then abolish funding for both sides and remove charity status from the Iona Institute, the Life Institute, Catholic Comment and the other advocacy groups.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:16 PM

    Regardless of which side of the debate you are on – anyone who cares to open their mind watch the following news analysis of George Soros and the reach of his influence. He is a pariah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KegE285GQuc

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:10 PM

    George Soros is a philanthropist,why do religious whackos always complain about people giving money for social issues and those in need?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:06 PM

    @Tariq ibn Ziyad: You can be damn sure they wouldn’d be complaining if a few million was going to Iona.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:06 PM

    Don’t worry yourselves George Soros has enough money to pay for more posters.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:16 PM

    Isn’t it nice that the funding you refer to is publicly declared? Do you think the Iona Institute, Youth Defence or the Pro-life Campaign might do the same thing?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:34 PM

    @Stephanie Fleming: Are you having a laugh Stephanie? What ever pittance the Pro life crowd could raise would be nothing compared to the unending billions Soros has accumulated at the expense of the little people. He’s one of the richest most powerful men in the world, he single handly broke the bank of England in the 90s by shifting around some shekels. He is creeping behind most of the divisive conflicts in the world right now – One of the key architects of the Europe “Migrant Crisis” , key funder to racial divisionary BLM .. The “pro choicers” really have got into bed with the devil, the man is evil incarnate.. Oh and He’s a Hillary supporter to boot.. Go Figure…

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:50 PM

    @John, sounds like you might need to take the tin-foil hat out of the wardrobe again. See many conspiracies, do you?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:52 PM

    “pittance” LOL, sure pal. A “pittance” can pay for their annual “rally for life” can it? With all the free buses picking people up outside churches, the hundred of uniform signs for the marchers to make sure they keep the religious well hidden, the tour bus that drives down the route, the massive screens to show the massive stage? Or how about the nationwide billboard campaign run by youth defence? Or the advertising lorries that park outside rape crisis centres? Boy a pittance buys far more these days than it used to.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:53 PM

    Oh and I note you didn’t answer my question about the antichoice organisations declaring their funding. Funny that.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:55 PM

    @Stephanie Fleming: it is the US fundamentalist right which funds the various Irish so called “pro-life” groups. Plenty of funding for the Irish fundamentalists.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:11 PM

    ” key funder to BLM ” -what a load of nonsense

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sorosferguson.asp

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:25 PM

    I care not were Iona or pro life get their money from… What I care about is a ruthless billionaire like Soros getting involved in one of the most divisive issues our nation has ever faced. He does not act out of kindness – Ask yourself why on one hand would a key advocater for open borders and mass migration into Europe also lobby for liberalized abortion amongst native Europeans? Now think very careful and join the dots libtard… not that it matters to you as long as you get your 24/7 drive through abortions, to hell with the cost?
    How righteous and noble you are Stephanie.. Cheerleading to repeal the 8th amendment – the amendment which gives equal rights of life to unborn children – Those damn pesky unborn children causing such a headache for you ?

    For the record, I oppose all billionaires who which to carve their social ideologies on Irish landscapes regardless of which side they are on – this is a matter for the people of Ireland.

    @Francis @Vocal. No consipiracy here..

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/20/soros-lays-out-his-plan-for-europe-to-avoid-george-migrants.html

    Do a little digging you will find how heavily involved Soros is in the EU migrant crisis

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:29 PM

    @John Byrne: a child has been born. A so called “unborn child” is not a child. Definition by negative attribute is invalid.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:30 PM

    “Leaked Soros memo: Refugee crisis ‘new normal’ ”

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/leaked-soros-memo-refugee-crisis-new-normal/

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:30 PM

    @John Byrne: Thanks John I need a good laugh and you gave to me for free!!

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:34 PM

    @John Byrne: I see that you have a far right outlook.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:41 PM

    You oppose all billionaires trying to influence social ideology in Ireland but don’t care where antichoicers get their money. That looks a lot like flagrant hypocrisy John. You may want to rethink the stance.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:56 PM

    Anti choice? Who were are these people ? I know the majority of people in Ireland agree to extending right to life to unborn children, heck anyone with a shred of decency would .
    And since you are so righteous and have made yourself a poster face for ‘Repeal the 8th’ , what do you propose to replace it with?
    Or do you just want it gone? to hell with the right to life of those pesky unborn children, dependent on the mercy of their mother whether they shall live or die? That’s kind of sick don’t you think? You think its hip and trendy to make yourself a poster advocate calling for the liberalization of destruction of defenseless children in the womb? Have a look for your morality compass… i think you might have misplaced it…..

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:05 PM

    @John Byrne: I don’t favour pretending that a foetus, a so called ” unborn child” is a human being or that it should have a right to life. I am of the opinion that the life, health and welfare of the pregnant woman should always take precedence.

    You should not presume to talk for others.

    A Referendum can decide the majority view. Everything else is speculation.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:13 PM

    So now its not a human being or a child while in the womb? What is it an alien that undergoes transformation to human child when it moves a couple of inches out of the womb? Do you actually believe the sh*t that comes out of your mouth? Thats farcical even by your standards Michael

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:26 PM

    @John Byrne: Use the correct terminology

    Inside the womb,it is a human zygote,human embryo & human foetus .

    A child is aged 3 to 12

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:57 PM

    @John Byrne: just over 1% of abortions are carried out after the 20th week & are carried out due to the health of mother/foetus

    What do you think of abortion in the first trimester ?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:15 PM

    Relax … The Journal have it covered.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:04 AM

    @John Byrne: I wish you would exercise your indoctrinated morality anywhere else other than women’s personal matter.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:22 PM

    @Laurence Fogarty: unlike the wall of thousands of identical large glossy colour posters provided for forced birther marches pro choicers like me will mainly be carrying home made placards. And we will make our way to the march on our own pocket as we won’t have a paid bus from every church in Ireland wending its way to Dublin. If we had had access to the kind of money forced birther had we wouldn’t be the last country in the civilised world to deny female autonomy.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:45 PM

    I’ve seen on 2 consecutive weekends trucks driving around the city with giant garish “pro-life” posters and blaring out hymns and protest songs. The “pro-life” side have huge funding.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:10 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: I say let them off. They’re just showing what absolute loons they are. I doubt too many in 21st century Dublin would be anything but baffled by such a display let alone drawn to their cause.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:53 PM

    It is only a matter of time before the electorate of Ireland gets the democratic opportunity to repeal the 8th Amendment.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:54 PM

    As if tearing down posters is going to make a blind bit of difference anyway. Anyway the anti choicers have been caught lying and acting the idiot so many times at this stage just their involvement in the discussion is a win for the pro choice side.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:09 PM

    We’re they the signs spay painted on the paths and roads around Trinity last week? You get permission from the city council for that too?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:57 PM

    The sensible thing to do would be to put the repeal or the retention if the 8th Amendment to a democratic vote by means of a Referendum.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:08 PM

    The last ditch attempt to retain 8th Amendment is the last major battle of the Irish fundamentalists.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:35 PM

    I’ll be at the march but I think the bus strike is more threatening to the march.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:14 PM

    Ultra right wing fundamentalism has no part in modern society. Women are no longer chattels who have to forever be apologetic for bring sin into the world (according to Christian theology)

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:28 PM

    Quick! Get on the phone to the Dark Lord Soros.. He’ll dispatch some minnions with more shekels for new posters

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:48 PM

    Why would a Hungarian-American have shekels? Oh, wait, you’re talking about his religion without actually mentioning it. I get it now.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:22 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: He’s really big into dog whistles. He and his other aliases have been badmouthing Mr. Soros with a clear anti-Jew undertone on several threads here all day, although most of their most offensive posts were soon removed.

    I loved it when Soros took the Brits for a couple of billion. And I love it even more that he is spending it to promote democracy, human rights and an open society.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:32 PM

    Jesus, if he existed, was Jewish.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:08 PM

    @Larry Doyle: Only half-Jewish actually, Larry. His mother was a Jewish virgin, but his auld lad was that horny old git the Holy Ghost, whose ethnicity was and remains a mystery.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:41 PM

    Lol

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:09 PM

    @fintan – more childish gibberish.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:36 PM

    @Dan Keane: know all the buttons to push to wind up the Catholic Taleban. LOL

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    Sep 19th 2016, 1:32 AM

    Including incorrect spelling? Or is that just because of your age?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:14 PM

    The religious fundamentalist bullies and ideological zealots are still living in the days of McQuaid, when the RCC and its hangers-on controlled pretty everything that Irish people could read, see or hear. But we are living in the Internet era now and this video has had 84,000 views so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=571vnkdrWC0

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:30 PM

    @Fintan Oflaois: excellent video. I was unaware of it. It is eloquent.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:42 PM

    @Fintan and Michael.
    Great news for you guys.
    The Fundamentalist News for atheists is on the way.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/the-humanist-times-2982795-Sep2016/

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:03 PM

    @Joey_Wasteland: I know, Joey. They sent me a preview copy. Some great stuff in there. I especially enjoyed their humour section. Here’s a joke that made me split my sides laughing: Three Catholic priests are on holiday in Thailand and travelling out to an offshore island by ferry when a freak wave washes one of them overboard. Struggling to keep afloat, he shouts “Throw me in a buoy, throw me in a buoy —” One of the priests at the railings turns to the other and says: “Good old Paddy! Game to the bitter end!”

    But no one will force you to read the publication. All the fact in it would likely scramble a religious nutter’s brains.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 9:16 AM

    @Micheal OLainn: It’s gotten nearly 5,000 more views in the past twelve hours. Everyone who wants to help get rid of the odious Eighth should “share” it on their own Facebook pages and then many, many more people will see it. Let the Yob Defence scuts and various other religious crazies tear down as many posters as they want. Just as with the Marriage Equality campaign, they are losing the battle – being routed – in social media.

    https://www.facebook.com/fintan.oflaois

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:45 PM

    Pro-choicers have bent over backwards to make themselves victims.. odds are they were taking down by young guys coming home from the pub. It happens in all elections and it’ll happen the pro-life side as well.. unfortunately..

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:51 PM

    @Stephen Duffy: the younger activists such as Youth Defence have a sinister and bullying quality.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:55 PM

    How does someone “coming home from the pub” systematically remove nearly 30 posters attached high up on lampposts by cable tie? I can barely do it with a mate a Stanley knife and b a ladder when I help remove them each year.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:07 PM

    Someone brought a ladder and a Stanley knife to a pub?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:09 PM

    @Conor Farrell: as well as the usual Hurley sticks.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 7:22 PM

    At least you recognise some of your failings so. Lets just amend the 8th to help the FFA people out and then have.abortion discussion.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:04 PM

    Irish fundamentalists adore the Eight Amendment.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:51 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: Of course they do. Think about it: for more than 30 years our legislators’ hands have been so tied that even if 100% of them wanted to amend our legislation to allow a 13-year-old girl who is pregnant as a result of rape by her father to have a termination, they could not do so.

    That gives the fundamentalists an enormous amount of residual control no matter how increasingly people find their mumbo-jumbo utterly irrelevant and learn more every day about the many crimes that vile cult behind them has committed – from priests raping children, through seminarians using apps like Gaydar to get their rocks off in Gaynooth, to an archbishop only a few days ago telling us that little boys buggered by priests were themselves partially responsible.

    The only way forward is to go back to where we were in 1983 and repeal the misbegotten Eighth by means of a new referendum that will certainly result in a landslide vote for choice.

    Then our legislators, who must answer to the electorate (except for the wastes-of-space like Mulherin in the Seanad) every few years, will be free to bring our abortion legislation into line with the rest of Europe. We don’t have to look far for models to follow, as the UK has very successfully modernised the same legislation that both of us were stuck with in the mid-1860s.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:18 PM

    @Fintan Oflaois: I endorse each of your points. The 8th Amendment is dogmatic and repressive.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:13 PM

    ***PUBLICITY ALERT***
    “We had 10,000 on the street last year for the March for Choice,”
    *Fact check*
    About 3 thousand… – less than any Pro Life march …………….EVER.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:44 PM

    Then you should not mind putting a ref on the 8th to the IRISH electorate

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:56 PM

    I’d rather a referendums on upward only rent reviews,making prisoners serve sentences consecutively, no parole for sex offenders,minimum tax take from multinationals or guaranteed public ownership of water but then again it’s not possible ….referendums can’t just be called because some hipsters bought a job lot of black sweaters & made the most awfully patronisingly crap video ever !

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:59 PM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: Have you ever watched the “pro life” side patronising people with Downs? Yes or no?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:20 PM

    I’ve never heard a pro choice answer that question. ..it’s certainly a valid point that unaddressed will deter most people from siding with the repeal mafia .

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:21 PM

    @Clever Jake:
    Check this out.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5uhQcyeZk

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:24 PM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: the fundamentalists are desperately clutching on to the 8th Amendment as their last stand.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:00 AM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: You really can’t stand women who insist on doing their own thinking for themselves, can you? Those in that video represent an impressive amount of achievement in the arts and other fields and the video is an excellent one, which I have sent to acquaintances in many parts of the world.

    It’s interesting to note that those presenting the most dogmatic, downright medieval arguments here are all men – or at least using male handles. If you have a wife (which I doubt), it would be interesting to see what she thinks and what she would do if she herself faced a crisis pregnancy.

    Here’s another video for you. Once again it’s a woman speaking. But a lot of them do have brains, you know, not just a womb to incubate the priests’ playthings of tomorrow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDUJjBRgBEs

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    Sep 19th 2016, 8:03 AM

    Apart from its awful message the video is just sh*te. It’s like a cross between a Guinness add & a don’t drink & drive add ! It won’t be winning any prizes from the critics ..unless of course it’s the Irish Times awards !

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    Sep 19th 2016, 9:02 AM

    @Seán Mc Cormack: Over 4,000 views in the past twelve hours. Tear down all the posters you want, but in the age of the Internet it’s as passé as everything else you Yob Defence and Iona “institute” crazies stand for. I bet you didn’t like Panti’s video from the Abbey, either, but it helped bring about a major setback for you bullies who want to ram your silly superstitions and nasty dogmas down everyone else’s throat.

    Everyone who has a Facebook page can help bring the death of the misbegotten Eight closer by “sharing” that video and help focus international attention on our savage disrespect for women’s rights.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=571vnkdrWC0

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:11 AM

    @Fintan Oflaois: I don’t approve of posters being torn down by anyone…did you condemn it during the marriage ref ?
    Re the number of views that awful video is receiving ; there’s a video of a cat being thrown in a bin with over 3 million views ..views equate to nothing .
    Artistically the video is tripe but the repeal blinkers you’ve on prevent you seeing that….or maybe you’re just afraid to agree with me for fear of the backlash from the witches !

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:26 PM

    @Clever Jake: especially when they can avail of a free bus from every church in Ireland.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:59 PM

    The laws job is to protect people from public harm. Is it really any of the laws business if a woman has an abortion? No. Its not a public harm. And as for the Catholic pro-life people, how pro-life are they when they venerate a salvation history where God commanded people be stoned to death for adultery etc. Jesus was careful not to say God was wrong so he is as just as bad. Read John 8. He told an adulteress that she deserved stoning and the problem was nobody was fit to stone her. Also, if pregnancy killed 999 out of every 1000 women the Church would still condemn abortion. Its extremism in principle.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 6:38 PM

    ZZZzzzzzzzzz

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:07 PM

    Just can’t have a Sunday without promoting abortion.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:20 PM

    @Dan Keane: promoting choice and freedom.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:49 AM

    @Micheal OLainn:

    Not for the torn limb from limb victim alas.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 1:28 AM

    @micheal – not for the life being ended though.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 2:14 AM

    “torn limb from limb” I think you need to do some research there. Dan, how old were you the day you were born?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:54 AM

    They’ve done their “research” ,Dave ..They carried it out at the ‘LifeSiteNews’ webpage..

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    Sep 19th 2016, 9:34 AM

    @okeefe – 10 months why?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:39 AM

    You celebrated your 1st birthday when you were 2 months old-that is so cute.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 5:11 PM

    Must have had great fun getting served at 17 and two months old

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:41 PM

    Women can never be pleased, or satisfied. It matters not what the issue is.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 8:57 PM

    @Clever Jake: Maybe, just maybe, Jake, men (bigoted or not) know whats best, in the long term.
    Yes?, No?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:19 PM

    @Patrick Mac: “Women can never be pleased, or satisfied.”

    Speak for yourself! Just because you can’t cut the mustard and give a woman real satisfaction, doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:22 PM

    Hey, a$$*ole, the fifteenth century called ; it wants it’s attitudes back. Are you for f***ING real?

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:28 PM

    @Fintan Oflaois: Fintan, my comment has nothing to do with what goes on in or outside a bedroom, as I have no problems in this area.
    Its much broader that that, meaning that if abortion is legalized in Ireland what further demands would be made by those who campaigned for its introduction. Do you understand?
    I believe abortion would be a disaster for the country.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:36 PM

    @Patrick Mac: “— I have no problems in this area —”

    I bet you have big hands as well, just like your spiritual leader Trump. ROFLMAO

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:43 PM

    @Fintan Oflaois: They’re of a sufficiently functioning size, yes. What an American election candidate has to do with abortion in Ireland mystifies me. If you wish to continue debating an important issue then lets continue.
    Incidentally, my assertion about women never being pleased or satisfied has been told to me many times – by other women.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:46 PM

    Abortion already exists in this country it’s just illegal but don’t worry that is going to change.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:47 PM

    @Patrick Mac: reading your comment is like journeying back in time to the early Vuctirian period. Very enjoyable and entertaining.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:48 PM

    @Patrick Mac: early Victorian period.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:12 PM

    @Patrick – don’t be feeding fintan, it only makes him worse.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:58 AM

    @Deborah Behan: It’s illegal morally and ethically, tearing apart fully formed human beings with their whole lives ahead of them in the sanctuary of the womb, where they should be at their safest and most protected is evil beyond comprehension, you people are profoundly sick in mind and soul.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:42 AM

    Ken – stick to the Youth defence sites -they’ll love your yap over there..

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:52 PM

    Pro abortion side might maintain higher numbers at marches if they didn’t cull their next generation of members? Therein lies the irony.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:17 AM

    @€uromancer: 70% of people who procured an abortion in America were Christian ..
    A lot of “pro life” people in those numbers ,don’t you think?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 10:25 PM

    @Clon Lad: in fact the numbers of abortions are higher among the religious in the US. All those abstenance sex education states have higher rates of abortions.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:41 PM

    If the unborn is not a human person no justification is necessary. However, if if the unborn is a human person no justification for abortion is adequate.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 11:09 PM

    @Chris Martin: the so called “unborn”, a spurious attempt at definition by means of negative attribute, is not a person and is not a human being.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:51 AM

    @Micheal OLainn:

    Guess that explains why you and your ilk never will qualify for intrinsic human/humane status.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 1:30 AM

    @micheal – are you seriously saying that a woman is not pregnant with a human being?
    I hope if you have children they don’t read this and see what you thought of them.

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    Sep 18th 2016, 9:45 PM

    Oh the horror. Viable posters being forcibly removed, torn, destroyed and left lying in the gutter, considered inconvenient ‘waste’.
    Good job this is only inanimate matter. Imagine if it weren’t..

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    Sep 18th 2016, 10:20 PM

    @€uromancer: seeking to suppress the expression of legitimate views.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:54 AM

    @€uromancer:

    This is a good vs. evil battle euromancer, survivors of abortion frothing at the mouth promoting abortion, you couldn’t make it up.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:26 AM

    @Ken O’Neill: “survivors of abortion frothing at the mouth, promoting abortion .”

    How did I become a ‘survivor of an abortion?’ Evidence please ?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 11:14 PM

    @Ken O’Neill:
    Who here has said they have survived an abortion?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 12:47 AM

    More than likely themselves taking them down to get greater publicity on their propaganda platforms like the journal.

    However if just one child survives to live a long and fruitful life as a result of these actions then we’re all winners.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:07 AM

    @Ken O’Neill: “However if just one child survives to live a long and fruitful life as a result of these actions —”

    Remind us again, how many babies born with severe physical or mental handicaps after their natural mothers were prevented or dissuaded from having an abortion, despite the information given and options outlined by their doctor, have you adopted?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:34 AM

    What if that “child” goes onto become a deranged killer,and he wipes out your whole family ? Oops! If if if if ..

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    Sep 19th 2016, 11:06 AM

    I got a question for those who support abortion. Most people here do not consider an unborn child as a human being. Can you please define for my understanding on what you define as human? Is it emotions, thoughts, awareness, self-awareness or physical development? What do you define humans as?

    Let me say that from the bellies of their mother the child develops, reacts and has “mood” swings. It even reacts to the mother’s mood. It reacts to music, noise and so on. To vibration and it can get used to a certain familiar noise or voice.

    Awareness for a child comes with months, nearly years… self-awareness is something even most adults don’t have. So tell me what makes you better than the unborn child? Cause you can speak your mind? Cause you can speak to defend yourself? Cause you can defend yourself physically? Tell me, what is the biggest difference between an unborn and a regular child? They are both developing… as most humans are.

    So everyone suggesting that an unborn baby is not a human but a thing. Tell me why? If they are not human… why are doctors, psychologists have so many treatments to help the baby develop better? Why would they care about something that is not recognized as “living” human being?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 2:04 PM

    @Liviu Flore: what psychologists works with an embryo? Seriously?

    Are you actually saying that there is no difference between an embryo & a newborn baby ? Seriously?

    When the majority of abortions are carried out the embryo is, but the size of a pea,it has no organs ,no body,no thoughts,no memories,no feelings,no relationships .The human being (woman) has all of these attributes -so why should we put her below that embryo ?

    Do you believe that abortion should be illegal(even though it is the biggest killer of women of childbearing age ,in which over 47,000 women lose their lives every year ..)?

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    Sep 19th 2016, 3:11 PM

    @Laughs @ Antis 24/7: So you take my question partially, ehh?

    Basically, you are saying that the unborn is an embryo the whole months? Are you serious?

    Most of the abortions are done when the unborn in an embryo? Really? In Ireland, where? The world? Explain… stop stating facts, without being clear what those facts mean or where the source is from.

    Let me inform you. It seems you are not aware of the process that child birth and pregnancy is. The moment a mother finds out she is pregnant. She prepares herself, her body and lifestyle to give the best development the baby can get. In fact, for mothers… the awareness of pregnancy means that they recognize the unborn as a baby. Over time, the baby develops.

    So while in the belly, the baby does develop ears, mouth, eyes and so on. A mother experiences the changes of the baby and has a certain bond. In fact, a sense of security and bond is reached on a psychological level. Go look it up… the connection between a mother and a baby. I have seen it plenty of times to belives that the sense of security, the protection and love the mother brings can help the baby to have a healthier delivery. That means, emotion, the bonds between mother and child is developed before given birth. Which you seem to refuse to ignore.

    I do not really care what people choose. Everyone has their own choice, make a referendum and let the majority decide but I will stand up for what I believe it is right. I believe a baby is recognized from the moment of pregnancy… as it forms a bond between the mother. The connection between the mother and the child is a miracle. They share their lives together, they share their worries, stress, their joys, insecurities.

    I do not want to be contribute or help in any way to say that it is right to kill an unborn child. Funny that you see it as an embryo when it has no “organs” but that embryo is living. It is alive.. whether you like or not. You take account for the few weeks that it has not developed its organs and ignore the rest of the weeks, yes? For me, legalizing abortion on demand is saying that murder is right and legal.

    I feel that abortion is always about which life is more important. In the end, I do not think there should be a choice between which is more important. All live matter, the end.

    You can argue rape but let’s be honest. A human baby is not like an animal where you end its life so it does not suffer anymore… that is not how it work. Life is about suffering, everyone goes through hardships… if we use that mentality, how many humans would be alive for the sake of making sure that they do not suffer in the future? That ideology is wrong. I feel sorry for the woman raped, as well as for the child but the child is not guilty of anything, he is innocent.. so why should he be killed?

    I see all sorts of weird arguments but let’s be honest here. If it is about the freedom of choice, that means paedos should have the choice to rape unaware children? Should we have the right to choose to kill? Do you ask yourself this? In the end, everyone is responsible for his action and choices but the law exists to state what is right and wrong.

    It is not about economy, it is not about ego trips. I do not think we should have the law stating that is ok and right to kill a defenseless unborn child, an embryo that is alive and so on. Psychologists and scientists study the development of the embryo.. they study the physical side but the psychological side, that means it has emotions too.

    Also, you never know what scientists discover… at the moment they can analyse deeper the embryo but over the years, it would be even deeper. I would be curious for science to advance further, to answer the questions of awareness, existence and what it means to be alive.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 3:47 PM

    @Liviu Flore: You are absolutely talking rubbish & loads of it..

    I could throw out plenty of facts at you :

    Not everyone that finds themselves with an unwanted pregnancy is delighted -that is insane thinking.
    A baby is a term of endearment -another fact.
    65.8% are done during & before the 8th week -only for antis & their stalling tactics this % would be more
    https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states

    As you mentioned rape, I couldn’t help but notice that your surname is Romanian :

    In Romania ,under their laws of anti abortion, the women died by the thousands every year, and were abused sexually, and raped routinely. They also had the menstruation police .Yup! They had the menstruation police.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 3:48 PM

    P.S. And I know all about psychologists & the work that they do..

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:14 PM

    Get over it. Posters being removed is part and parcel of any campaign. In fact people have been known to take down their own posters so they can kick up a fuss and get free publicity. Wouldn’t surprise me that I’ll hear ye moaning on Joe Duffy next.

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    Sep 19th 2016, 7:44 PM

    @LGBT Prolife Ireland: You are the man(Tommy) that goes whining on Joe Duffy .LOL

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