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Touching the past: a woman meditates on Remembrance Day in Canada last year. The Canadian Press/Nathan Denette/PA Images

Column Is it time to start wearing the poppy?

On the eve of November 11, writer and film-maker Liam Nolan questions the continued resentment towards the wearing of the poppy of remembrance – especially in light of loss of Irish life in the two world wars.

ON NOVEMBER 11 each year, many countries around the world honour living and deceased veterans of their armed forces. The day has different names in different countries: Remembrance Day, Veterans Day, Jour d’Armistice to name but a few. Of course, the poppy flower is synonymous with Britain around this time of year. You can’t watch live UK television without noticing that the presenter is wearing one.

Ireland has a couple of its own remembrance ceremonies such as last week’s eloquent service in honour of Irish UN peacekeepers who lost their lives whilst on duty oversees. But during the month of November, it’s very rare to see someone wear a poppy in the Republic. The Irish branch of the Royal British Legion even holds its annual commemorative ceremony in July. Despite joint wreath-laying ceremonies by our President and the British Queen in Belgium in 1998 and in Ireland earlier this year, wearing the poppy still draws resentment from some people in the Republic.

That red and black flower is a potent little symbol. For some people, wearing the poppy might suggest that you are paying homage to the same military force that patrolled the streets of Northern Ireland for decades. But the flower, which saturates large parts of the Belgian and French landscape where so much blood was spilt almost a century ago, was never intended to be a jingoistic symbol that honoured the British Crown. Rather, wearing the poppy was simply intended as a respectful act of honouring the fallen.

In total, over 200,000 Irishmen, from nationalist and unionist traditions, served in the British army during the First World War of which approximately 49,400 were killed in action. During the Second World War, when the fate of Europe hung in the balance, an estimated 50,000 Irish men and women from the Irish Free State enlisted again in the ranks of the British armed forces and played a vital role in defeating Nazism. Losses were large once more; 7,000 Irish born personnel died in that war. So if you dig deep enough in the roots of your family tree, you may well find that you are related to one of those veterans.

To wear that little flower symbolised that you were a traitor

If wearing the poppy in the Republic was given the hard shoulder during our nascent years of independence, it was given the death knell when the Troubles erupted in the late 1960s. To wear that little flower symbolised that you were a traitor and not a real Irish patriot. Our new national narrative in post-independent Ireland left little room for those Irish men and women who had worn British uniforms during the two world wars. A true partisan would wear the Easter lily.

When I think about the poppy or Remembrance Day, it’s not just images of the fields of Flanders that spring immediately to my mind. I think instead of those shaky video images, filmed shortly after an IRA bomb had detonated at a Remembrance Day ceremony in Enniskillen in 1987. The images, like war itself, are horrific: old age pensioners being helped from the rubble, dead bodies covered by jackets.

The ‘Poppy Day’ bombing was a callous act that killed and maimed people who had simply gathered to pay their respects to the dead. In the minds of some republicans, politics and the poppy were indistinguishable.

But times change thankfully. Queen Elizabeth’s visit to the Republic in May of this year marked a turning point in our relations with Britain, the way we view our State and in particular, the way in which we view our military past. The laying of wreaths by our President and the British Queen at both the Garden of Remembrance and at the Irish National War Memorial Gardens showed that it is possible for us to honour Ireland’s two military histories equally. So, it might now be time for those that want to don the poppy, to do so without the fear of being heckled.

Earlier this year I found out that my own family had a link with the Great War

I’ve always been interested in the history of the two world wars but it was only earlier this year that I found out that my own family had a link with the Great War. My father had mentioned in passing that his maternal grandfather, a man called Edward Dwyer, had enlisted in the British army during the 1910s. However, my father was unsure if Edward had served at the front during wartime.

I found Edward’s 1911 Irish census details on-line. He was a twenty-eight year old labourer, was married with three children and lived in a tenement flat in Green Street in Dublin’s north inner city. From there, I made another simple online search of the UK National Archive War Records. Yes, Edward Dwyer had joined the Royal Dublin Fusiliers and had served in France with his battalion. Maybe he joined to secure Home Rule or maybe it was just to feed his family.

The basic UK war service records do not provide much information but I’m keen to find out more. All I know is that Edward was in Flanders with ‘the Dubs’ in April 1915 around the time of the Second Battle of Ypres, a battle which cost the lives of hundreds of Dubliners. Edward was one of the lucky ones. He survived the war and returned to work in Dublin, passing away in 1962. According to my father, Edward never wore a poppy.

Like many Irish families, we know the intricate details of our Republican roots but very little about our ‘other’ military history. Growing up I always knew that my great-uncle John Nolan had been in the Irish Citizen Army, had fought during Easter Week 1916 and went on to fight in the War of Independence and the Civil War. Yet, I respect Edward’s role in the Great War just as much as I respect John’s role in gaining Irish independence. Both stories are part of our greater history and it would be folly to ignore one of these narratives.

Napoleon, no stranger to a few military campaigns himself, once said that, “History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon”. I think we, in Ireland, have come to terms with, and agreed upon Irish men and women’s roles in the two world wars.

The poppy however is just a symbol that allows people to remember their family members and if that gives them a bit of comfort and solace then we should accept that. Let’s try not to confuse it with nationalism.

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    Mute Padraic O Sullivan
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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:33 PM

    Is there any link between Leaving cert teachers offering predictive grades in the school getting vaccinated and parents in senior management positions in the Beacon?

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:40 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: good question

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:42 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: getting close Padraic

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:50 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: If there is any link found, that student or students should be made sit the written Leaving Cert. There can be no other way to ensure transparency and fairness.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:58 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: could be Padraic……but more likely is the head of the beacon vaccinated the teachers that teach His and his colleagues kids + principal…wink wink nod nod…….nothing to see hear folks……these guys are the real S##m of society

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:23 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: I think you already know the answer to that question Padraic, but you won’t get an answer unless somebody reading this knows and wants to share

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:45 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: You better believe it Padraic

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:52 PM

    @Bennasi84: private schools are surely a waste of public resources, the students abilities are based on their parents pay packets..
    So a potential einstine student with working class parents doesn’t have the same opportunities as well heeled students,
    So the state loses out to the more potentially gifted studenrts.. As Marx said ” each according to his means, each according to his needs”

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:00 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: obviously there is a link, they can stick their apology up their hole

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:22 PM

    @Padraic O Sullivan: No unless you have proof

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:26 PM

    @Victor Feldman: Typical poor-me leftist drivel.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:43 PM

    This entire situation is an utter, utter disgrace.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:56 PM

    @Paul Quinlan: JABS FOR THE BOYS!!!!!!!!

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:09 PM

    @Nora McElhinney: I regret I can but give only one thumbs up to your great comment.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:54 PM

    @Paul Quinlan: once again the media and the public concentrate on the micro stories, fuelling anger and resentment. Too much energy been wasted on these issues, which are happening all the time . Get over it. Remember your all in it together.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:46 PM

    @David A. Murray: I’m giving you both a thumbs up. Maybe we could break the record?

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:30 PM

    I’m sure many Gerards teachers are reading these comments and annoyed at them all being tarred with the same brush. Perhaps one of them could answer the key question; were many of the teachers who received the vaccine LC teachers who would have be grading kids of the Beacon CEO. If this can be answered and confirmed to be the case then the motivation of Cullen was very clear and these teachers should be ashamed of themselves. The remaining 80% of the teachers in Gerards have done nothing.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:47 PM

    @John McCann: IF any of these teachers who received the vaccine are grading the CEO’s kids or the kids of one of his colleagues in this years LC and any or all of the teachers who did not receive the vaccine do not bring this to public attention then they are just as complicit and any protestations are just whining and jealousy at not being aloud jump the queue. I doubt you will hear a word about it.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:18 PM

    @John McCann: The motivation isn’t very clear (unless you employ a guilty until proven innocent strategy). It could be simply that the school was the first place he thought of and thought it would help protect his own family indirectly. Still wrong but not the hanging offence some people think. If it was a working class area would this even make the news. It’s amazing the coverage this is getting compared to more serious matters like what happened at Davy.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:49 PM

    So the beacon is investigating itself!!! How many times have we to endure this sort of sh€te in Ireland. Ya f ed up, man up and walk away.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:31 PM

    @Niall Gannon:
    1) act immorally / illegally
    2) apologise when caught
    3) commission investigation into yourself that’ll take long enough for the heat to have died down
    4) claim lessons will be learned but no actual consequences
    repeat

    There’s simply no culture of accountability in this country, it’s so tiresome to see it over and over again.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:48 PM

    In fairness the man has a point and that point seems to mean some people are more equal than others !

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:46 PM

    Sickening. Enable Ireland is 100m from the Beacon. If vaccinations have already been administered there then that’s fine but this CEO chose to contact a private school 20km away. The unreserved apology is only forthcoming because they were caught. Despicable teachers and CEO.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:08 PM

    These selfish people took advantage and claimed the Vaccine ahead of the entitled Elderly people of the State. These Teachers were probably aware of their Q jumping and should be ashamed of their acceptance of benefiting before others more fragile and deserving. Shame on these opportunists.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:36 PM

    @James Keogh: People like that don’t do shame. In their minds, they were “entitled” to it.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:17 PM

    Apologies are all very well- the damage is done

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:48 PM

    nothing to see here,move on

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    @Larry Roe:

    I think you’ll find certain people see opportunity of career advancement. Yet, selfish individuals did fall on their own sword.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:47 PM

    Just wondering, before this broke, if the person who wrote the letter to RTE had been asked if they wanted to be vaccinated as there were 20 available what would they have said?

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:52 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: If he/she had an ounce of morality, they would’ve said, ‘No thanks, I’d rather that vaccine go to someone who’s next in the queue….’

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:53 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: Did you read the article Fintan?

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    Mar 30th 2021, 2:58 PM

    @Tim Kavanagh: I did Tim. Easy to say I wouldn’t have taken it after the issue has blown up. It would have seemed like a non issue to some before the event as they could justify it to others by saying they were front line workers. Hindsight is a great thing…

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:02 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: I really wish people would read articles before commenting, read the article the answer to your question is in there.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:14 PM

    @Bernard Mc Grath: Please prove to me 100% beyond doubt that they wouldn’t have taken the jab. You seem sure. Otherwise you are talking BS. I didn’t say they or wouldn’t, I just posed the question

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:34 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: Jesus. Read the article.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:13 PM

    @Gary Sheahan: Jesus, another member of staff who can’t back up his comment!

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    Mar 30th 2021, 10:51 PM

    @Fr. Fintan Stack: Read the article and the answer is in there

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:28 PM

    Why do they an independent revue when they and everyone know the facts

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:37 PM

    @Pauline Cahill: the independent review needs to investigate whether more people have been vaccinated out of sequence by the beacon. This is probably the tip of the iceberg. We don’t know all the facts yet.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:30 PM

    Definitely, no vaccine should ever be wasted, but when you take a vaccine and its not your turn, you are taking that medicne away from an Eldery person, whos life could be in the balance if they fall ill with Covid.Its a shamefull act, but you can be sure everyone is talking each other up as if it was the right thing to do, how difficult would it be to find 20 sick eldery people in the Beacon, prehaps pop down to Cardiology or visit the Cancer patients and ask them first, its a betrayal of eldery sick people, if they are sincere about being sorry, then add a web page to the school.site with their names and photos

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:30 PM

    Only cause your caught

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    Mar 30th 2021, 4:57 PM

    Apologies mean feck all

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:09 PM

    The private Health Insurance company’s should withdraw all contracts they have with the Beacon Hospital as of now because they totally ignored their customers who were more entitled to the vaccine, If they don’t it will give the impression that they approve of what the CEO has done.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:21 PM

    So they won’t be accepting the second shot on a point of principle.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:34 PM

    @Ger O’Reilly: they will have to get the 2nd part of the vaccine. Otherwise it’s totally wasted

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:12 PM

    @Ger O’Reilly: They should not be given it because they should never have got it in the first place.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:28 PM

    They can say mass as well whilst they are there! They have been vaccinated. Its the day after the night before! Carers, Clinic receptionists and people with disabilities are still waiting for their vaccines! Go figure! Those 20 made their beds!

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    Mar 30th 2021, 9:09 PM

    Open to correction here, but it sounds like from reading this article that those that got the vaccine were told to keep quiet about it. If that’s the case, then that’s some morals to have and be teaching children.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:12 PM

    What other irrational decisions have been made by the Beacon CEO?
    Where is the good governance, accountability, equity and transparency?
    Where will the CEO organise the next Beacon celebration?

    https://evoke.ie/2016/10/04/extra/events/the-beacon-hospital-celebrates-its-10th-anniversary-in-style-at-the-doubletree-hilton

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:57 PM

    What ever … it is an absolute disgrace that it happened shame on Hospital and School ..
    Figures released in radio say over 4000 people between hospital and school were more entitled to it.

    But What will happen Nothing as usual as the boys club won’t allow it..

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    Mar 30th 2021, 7:14 PM

    On the face of it it looks like the Beacon CEO was looking to make brownie points with Gerard’s and they foolishly jumped at the opportunity without considering the consequences

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:48 PM

    Sack them all

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    Mar 30th 2021, 5:30 PM

    So what
    Call the cops and charge the head of the Beacon

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:12 PM

    “The Vhi has said that CEO John O’Dwyer has stepped aside, pending the outcome of an investigation into the facts surrounding his receipt of the Covid-19 vaccination from the Beacon Hospital.

    The company said the board learned that he had received the vaccine this morning.” Rte news By Will Goodbody
    Business Editor

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    Mute Michael F Gorman
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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:17 PM

    @Imelda Murphy: I’m a member of the Vhi and it’s my opinion they should cancel any further dealings with the Beacon Hospital and have a bit of respect for their customers who should have been given those vaccines in the first place.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:56 PM

    @Imelda Murphy: The CEO of VHI has been a patient in The Beacon with cancer of the oesophagus ….. He could be in Cohort 4 ,,in which case his vaccine was legitimate ……Maybe we should all stop rushing to judgement!!

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    Mar 30th 2021, 9:36 PM

    @Imelda Murphy: I have zero problem with the CEO of VHI getting the vaccine. He is getting treated for cancer. He is cohort 4. Whereas those bloody teachers were cohort 11. It’s surprising how quite the teacher unions are!!

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    Mar 30th 2021, 3:10 PM

    Read it

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    Mar 30th 2021, 11:38 PM

    I believe, and please correct me if I’m wrong, it’s 6 months in jail in Portugal as this could be classed as vaccine theft.

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:13 PM

    That’s OK so, just don’t do it again:)

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    Mar 30th 2021, 10:54 PM

    The sense of entitlement is amazing!

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    Mar 30th 2021, 6:10 PM

    News on the hour every hourhttps://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0330/1207018-teacher-vaccines/?utm_source=xtremepush&utm_medium=webpush&utm_campaign=Vhi+says+its+CEO+is+stepping+aside+as+it+determines+the+facts+surrounding+his+receipt+of+Covid-19+vaccination+from+Beacon+Hospital+%28xtremepush+%2353203855%29&utm_term=notification+%23643050733_1939616517&utm_content=A

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