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The surrender of anti-Treaty forces in July 1922 AP/Press Association Images

Read Me ‘They wiped up the blood’ – first-hand stories from the battle for independence

Raiding the British barracks, and the brutal killing of prisoners – men recall fighting in the wars that shaped Ireland.

ERNIE O’MALLEY was a senior Republican commander in Co Kerry during the War of Independence, and later the Civil War.

He was also a historian in the making, who interviewed a number of his fellow fighters after the conflict collecting first-hand accounts.

Many Republican survivors of the two successive wars were reluctant to talk openly about their experiences, with many holding secrets even from their own families.

But they were more comfortable talking to O’Malley, who recorded all the interviews in notebooks. His son Cormac O’Malley, along with Tim Horgan, has now collected the interviews for a new book, The Men Will Talk To Me.

Here, two men remember incidents – a raid on a key barracks, and the brutal killing of prisoners – from the fighting in Kerry.

1. Tom McEllistrim

Tom McEllistrim was a farmer in Ballymacelligott who joined the Irish Volunteers in 1915. He led the attack on the Gortatlea RIC Barracks in April 18, and remembers it here. Later a TD, McEllistrim died in 1973.

This was the first real attack. Six of us met in a little hall in Ballymac: Jack Cronin, Maurice Reidy, Tom Mac, John Browne, Richard Laide, John Flynn. We planned to take the barracks by surprise. There were four RIC men in it. We had information that the door would not be locked. We knew that two men went out on patrol. We put one man near to the barracks, right on the railway station to watch the patrol go out; and then he told us when they had gone out.

We waited near the post. It was about 10 o’clock and it was quite dark, so we moved on to the barracks. I walked up to the door. I had a flash lamp and a revolver in my hands. Jack Cronin was behind me and Browne and the others were to follow. When I turned the door handle, I found that it was locked. I knocked and someone inside said ‘Who’s there?’ ‘’Tis me.’ ‘Who are you?’ I said, ‘’Tis alright. Come on and open,’ for the locals often knocked on the door and went in.

And he opened the door. We had masks on us for we were all well known to the police. I was at once to push past and get on in. As soon as he saw the mask, he got startled, but I pushed in past him and the other man in the kitchen made a dart for the room door but I got across into the room and he was trying to close the door against me. I stuck my foot in the door and we had a pushing match at the door for about three seconds. I pushed up the door on him and as I did, the door banged down again and we grappled. He was unarmed and he was an old man. We were tumbling about in the darkness in a very small room and I fell on top of him.

Just as it happened, Cronin burst in the door. He had a double barrelled shotgun and he put it on the RIC man. He put up his hands. I looked into the kitchen and I saw our lads below forcing the other lad to put up his hands and they had. We didn’t want to spill any blood.

Ernie O'Malley, who interviewed the survivors (Mercier Archive)

The rifles were up on a rack. I lifted down a rifle and put it on a cupboard, when all in a sudden, a shot rang out. I whipped round and I saw Browne wheel around and fall in the kitchen; and in three seconds the floor was covered with blood for he had been shot through the head.‘What was that?’ I said. Moss Carmody and I went down to the kitchen and I saw him putting up his shotgun and he fired at the door.

And as I said, ‘What’s that?’ I saw a police cap at the door but the shotgun missed. As I knocked, the 10 o’clock train steamed in. The station was only 15 yards away and we heard the noise of the engine. ‘Could there have been military on the train,’ we now thought. There were five of us inside the barracks, and what would we do. Our course then was to fight our way out and that was an awful setback for a crowd of young lads. We lifted up Browne and we brought him out with us, and also we brought out a new shotgun with us.

Before we went out, there was whispering and Cronin walked up. ‘We’ll shoot them lads now,’ he said. ‘How can we shoot them,’ I replied, “with their hands up?’ and the RIC were in terrible fear. Browne was dead, but we got out without any shots being fired at us. We got to the railway, threw off out masks and were lifting him when three or four shots were fired. We dropped him and we fired back.

They had seen us getting into the barracks and they had ambushed us from the outside. Laide made an attempt to rush in to tell us they were in the station and Sergeant Boyle shot him in the back with a revolver as he came in. Laide got away and he lived only two or three days for the bullet had gone into his stomach. So we had two dead men.

The two funerals were on the same day, but there was no raid made by the police. The police had made their report to suit themselves. They wiped up the blood from the floor inside. They said that all the shooting had been from the outside by us.

Michael Collins (marked with a cross) leaving Dublin Castle with Kevin O'Higgins and WF Cosgrave after the surrender of anti-Treaty forces in 1922 (Tophams/Topham Picturepoint/Press Association Images)

2. John Joe Rice

John Joe Rice was born in Kilmurray and worked on the railways. He joined the Irish Volunteers in Tralee in 1914, and led Republican forces in Kerry during the Civil War. He was later active for Sinn Féin, and died in 1970.

We lasted longer in South Kerry for the Staters had to come at us in big bodies. There were 700 to 800 of our lads in gaol in the end, but there only 70 to 80 active column lads amongst them. We kept the Staters on the go. We got a share of arms from GHQ. GHQ told me that they wanted to help the fellows in the North as the British had the numbers of the rifles which they had handed over to the Provisional Government. I collected 80 or 90 rifles in Killarney to send them on. And the division told me that they had a number of rifles in Mallow for exchange and I got them, but I didn’t give any back for them.

The first Free State army in Kerry were local men. Very few of our lads went F/S and only six or seven of them were of any importance. The best of the men stuck where they were. The Free State garrisoned towns.We got a power of stuff out of Kenmare, a couple of hundred rifles we got.

The brigade was nearly half the county. It extended from Castleisland to Kenmare and it had five battalions. We had very good fighting ground in our area, really impossible to round up in some areas. The Staters landed at Kenmare Pier. They had The Dublin Guards with them and men from the First Northern Division, a fine lot of blackguards they were.

They were getting it tough, and they had no local crowd to hold the area for them. They had bad information, for they jailed men at the beginning who would have been on their side. They came by boat to Kenmare to Fenit. They swarmed in from all sides, for we had a huge coastline to hold. Reen Pier, at Killorglin, at Cahersiveen. Beating of prisoners at first.

Neligan shot John Connor who joined the Free State afterwards. He was a youngster, not of very good class either. Neligan fired a bullet into his chest. It went out and went in through his arm.

Neligan presided at all the beatings and torturings. Hancock in Kenmare did not act like a rational human being. Wilson who was in Kenmare and in Killarney was very bad. Soon the medium changed from beating to shooting.

The blowing up of our men was an organised affair. Stephen Fuller is still alive. Coffey in Killarney survived. There was a coffin handed over to Fuller’s people with his remains for they thought he had also been included in the scraps left of other men. He ran away under machine gun and rifle fire and got over an eight-foot gate. His cap had three bullet holes in it, his coat was holed but he was not wounded, but he had scratches. Fuller was blown over a road into a field and he found a hand tied to him. The men were roped in a circle, a mine was placed in between them, and it was exploded.

The Men Will Talk To Me, edited by Cormac O'Malley and Tim Horgan, is available now from Mercier Press priced €17.99.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:16 AM

    Fianna Gael, the neo-liberal party, are ideologically opposed to cheap housing. They cannot bring themselves to do it. And this is not ‘free houses’ for the ‘free house brigade’. Only the gullible are eating up that government propaganda. These are houses that are needed by the hard working middle and working classes. The housing protests are mainly about these people, the squeezed middle, the working classes who after working forty plus hours a week still cannot have their own home or even rent. We also saw during the week that the rich will be getting richer after the new tax regime was analysed, the middle and lower classes hit again. It’s a shameful indictment of this government and their supporters.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:24 AM

    @TheHeathen: Wonderfully said.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:20 AM

    @TheHeathen: obviously someone who hasn’t been too beech hill terrace… it’s like when you finally give councils a chance to build, they build grandiose council houses in the middle of centrally positioned old council estates for, apparently, middle aged taxi drivers to live. compare this to similar old council estates in dun laoghaire, where they were privately knocked and residents rehoused in medium density units, increasing the housing stock by multiples. is seems that Lacey is trying to blame a minister with national remit (albeit not delivering with the CAS) for his council not getting things done, and blaming everybody else.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 4:55 PM

    @TheHeathen: They’re opposed to sink estates

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    Dec 13th 2018, 4:09 PM

    @TheHeathen: Very well put. There’s no will in this government for proper social housing,it abhors them.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:20 AM

    Imagine if Labour had the housing ministry how different things could be…..Oh wait!

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:36 AM

    @Richie Stanford: Nevertheless, the article provides useful insights. I note how I have heard Eoghan Murphy blaming Councils recently, it’s helpful to know what is going wrong.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:50 AM

    @Richie Stanford:2011-2014 when TOTAL housing stock increased by just 0.4%(8,800)& homelessness grew by 81%(CSO).In 2014 there were 700 homeless children now there are 3700 homeless children ie 428%!!.
    Ireland has National emergencies in Homelessness&Housing&needs URGENT attention!There’s 70,000 HOUSEHOLDS+ on social housing waiting lists&many other people on other housing lists/housing supports including workers.Even those on higher salaries find rents a struggle&can’t buy even though paying a mortgage would be more than €1000 less a month.
    Ireland’s population is estimated to grow by 1.75m over next 33years,&if an adequate amt of housing not built now then what hope the extra 1.75m of population will be housed or in secure tenancies particularly when the next downturn happens!

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    Dec 12th 2018, 9:36 AM

    @Richie Stanford: Labour’s man was there for 2 years. And as much as I loath Alan Kelly he did have a major dispute with Michael Noonan in Finance about the control of housing stock. FFG want expensive housing. It suits there major donors. FG are in complete control of housing since 2011. The department of Finance hold all the strings.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:17 AM

    And THIS is why we having a housing crisis not because of greedy landlords or Airbnb or any other BS the government tries to sell us. Government incompetence.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:31 AM

    He makes some good points but labour can never be trusted again

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:25 AM

    Labour backed FG in government. they had a chance to make a real change in irish politics.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:20 AM

    Cue the “Why should anyone get a free house when anyone on minimum wages can easilybuy one if they just work their asses off 600 hours a week like me” brigade.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:02 AM

    @John Hazelnut: cue the “everything should be free” brigade.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 10:19 AM

    @John Hazelnut: Spot on those who choose to get up every day for little more than the spongers get the same treatment as the spongers, this is led by Leo and his posh chums , pure ignorance…

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:34 AM

    FG and FF the same party both completely incompetent.There is no possibility they will sort out the housing crisis homeless crisis health crisis or any other crisis.Between the two of them they have managed to destroy this country over the last couple of decades.
    They are always only interested in the next election neither make decisions for the good of the people in this country.we need to get rid of both of them in the next election.They are completely toxic.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 10:39 AM

    @Tom’s: They are not incompetent at all, they are keeping the rotten system in place which is exactly what they want, nothing will ever change as long as we keep voting them in. It will be just more corruption, more ripoffs, more scandals, more jobs for the boys, more cover-ups and on and on

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:23 AM

    They don’t want to build homes they want to build rentals for their rich friends to rent out .everything thing else is smoke and boxxox.. I will tell u 1 thing il never vote for FF or fg again

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    Dec 12th 2018, 4:01 PM

    @Michael Nolan: nor I

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:30 AM

    Incompetence is the reason. But it’s very expensive for the taxpayers and devastating for those in need and there’s no desire to sort it out.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:05 AM

    @Mick Barnier: There was a time when workers got raises in their wages. and tax was used to create council houses, water, bins, etc. FG are in too much of a hurry to sell off ireland

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:07 AM

    @Mick Barnier: Stop with this “incompetence”. FFG are the most competent government the country has ever seen when it comes to looking their interests.
    Just look at 1.9 billion tax free for vultures and PTSB.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:41 AM

    @Dave Doyle: “FFG are the most competent government the country has ever seen”

    Good man, Dave. Leo will be delighted with you.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 10:32 AM

    @Chin Feeyin: You left out the important bit. Typical FG spin.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 11:10 AM

    @Chin Feeyin: you totally missed his point

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    Dec 13th 2018, 12:43 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: read the last line — (its called sarcasm )

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    Dec 12th 2018, 9:38 AM

    I know of a 3 bedroomed council house where the former tenants put in a new kitchen and left the house in pristine condition . 5 years later it was still vacant and when eventually they got round to it the Council ripped out the kitchen and put in another one.
    I know of another small one story semi detached bungalow type house that went on fire 2 years ago . It’s still there untouched. Both of these houses are in the middle of villages.

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    Dec 13th 2018, 12:48 PM

    @Aine O Connor: i know of 6 houses newly built with state of the art kitchens ,solar panels , low energy heating systems and all the latest gadgets bells and whistles — cost over 1.7 million to build them — and they are still empty !! — because the people who they were built for dont want them !!! now the problem is that because they were built as part of a program for housing ‘an ethnic minority ‘ no one else on the councils waiting list can be offered those houses – so they will remain empty !!! regulations have to be adhered too in these over bureaucratic local authorities !!

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:49 AM

    Bureaucracy = no accountability

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    Dec 12th 2018, 7:22 AM

    I thought it was the landlord’s fault?

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:03 AM

    @KerryBlueMike: I thought it was all AirBnB’s fault.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:25 AM

    @Chin Feeyin: I thought it was the fault of those who don’t get up early in the morning

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    Dec 12th 2018, 9:40 AM

    @KerryBlueMike: the state are the landlords. Who owns the banks? FFG want expensive property. When the price was falling they thru 100 billion to prop up the price. Now prices are out of the average workers reach they do nothing.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 1:13 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: it,s everybody fault except the government and ministers.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 9:38 AM

    Too many govt dept’s, too many civil service staff waiting for retirement , too much bureaucracy , this is the problem.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 11:03 AM

    @Brian Smith: Its really the only stable gig in town

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    Dec 13th 2018, 12:50 PM

    @Marcus o Dhonnghaile: what about the nativity ? thats a stable gig !!

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    Dec 12th 2018, 10:25 AM

    Lacey is another one with his nose constantly in the trough. He had nothing to say when his hero Alan Kelly did nothing to prevent this crisis. Lacey voted against his party and voted in favour of the privatisation of our waste services. He got made mayor after that. Lacey is not to be taken seriously.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 3:59 PM

    @Frankie Mangan:

    There are several falsehooods there.

    1) I did raise many issues with Alan Kelly and am delighted that it was he who pushed the Charlemont Development through and indeed his support for the Beech Hill project was crucial.

    2) If you look at my published income from DCC during this term I did not seek any of what might be called the “lucrative” roles – despite the fact that I am Group Leader.

    3)I did NOT vote for waste services privatization and indeed had my advice been followed it would not have been privatized.

    4) I was Mayor before I cast my vote in favour of Waste Charges.

    5) Ill leave the decision on whether to take me seriously with the electorate.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 4:00 PM

    @Frankie Mangan:

    There are several falsehoods there.

    1) I did raise many issues with Alan Kelly and am delighted that it was he who pushed the Charlemont Development through and indeed his support for the Beech Hill project was crucial.

    2) If you look at my published income from DCC during this term I did not seek any of what might be called the “lucrative” roles – despite the fact that I am Group Leader.

    3)I did NOT vote for waste services privatization and indeed had my advice been followed it would not have been privatized.

    4) I was Mayor before I cast my vote in favour of Waste Charges.

    5) I’ll leave the decision on whether to take me seriously with the electorate.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 10:01 AM

    Simple solition. Everyones only allowed to own one house at a time.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 12:40 PM

    That used to be the case. Back in the 80s when times were tough and interest rates sky high, local county councils were able to build social housing.
    That Phil Hogan has a lot to answer for!

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    Dec 12th 2018, 11:02 AM

    Well after 2008 all the tradesmen left as they couldnt sign on. You were told to F66k Off as you were self employed even though you paid thousands in tax. We didnt have a construction industry. What would you expect ??? Anyone abroad aint coming back in a hurry as there is another dip with Brexit

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    Dec 12th 2018, 11:06 AM

    Get rid of all bedsits, bring in a send tranche of building regulations and make it too expensive to build and I suppose this is what you have going forward.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 12:06 PM

    Is it just me or is this article pursuing the same vein of what appears to be the proliferation of what I regard as. “ The Homeless Industry “ . Where are all these alleged homeless people . Not trolling by the way, a genuine question

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    Dec 12th 2018, 1:34 PM

    Why did it take 7 months to get planning permission for Cherrywood in shankill area – we have a homeless crisis, can they not sit around a table and do it instantly.

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    Mute Eric Davies
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    Dec 13th 2018, 12:58 PM

    palms to be greased – brown envelopes to be sourced , bank notes to be ‘washed’ !!it all takes time !!

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    Dec 12th 2018, 10:06 AM

    Should allow the City and County Councils get on with it

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    Dec 12th 2018, 5:01 PM

    I wouldn’t rely on councils/govt departments to do anything for me. You gotta look after yourself as best as you can and if not, then rely on your family. I remember going into DL county council offices at 9.30 am to pay rates and they didn’t open till 10am! I brought in an important file to another government department in the city centre at 3.30pm on a Friday. Silly me, they were closed.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 8:56 PM

    @Virgil: dont forget closed for lunch between 12 and 2. Its a 4 hr working day in the civil service. Throw in the 25 days annual leave and the “self-certified” sick days and it may even be less than that.

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    Dec 12th 2018, 12:42 PM

    free

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    Jan 8th 2019, 12:31 AM

    And labour party were in government 2011-16 and did not change a thing,they spent their time forcing austerity policies and water charges down the publics throat,dermot getting worried about his future.

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    Dec 15th 2018, 11:14 PM

    Official Ireland is alive and well and looking after it’s own vested interest, i.e. make sure the populace & politicians don,t get above themselves and interfere with iur cosy way of life. It’s time put the PS under deep scrutinyc Come on Paul Murphy, Boyd Barrett & Solidarity PBP; where are you all & your intrepid brigade??

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