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How tech firms outside Dublin are luring staff away from the capital

Companies in Cork, Limerick and Galway are targeting workers increasingly priced out of Ireland’s main city.

OFTEN PRESENTED AS the jewel in the crown of Ireland’s technology sector, Dublin and its Silicon Docks are losing some of their lure.

While the capital has successfully attracted virtually all of the world’s biggest tech companies, snowballing cost-of-living pressures – mainly due the city’s acute housing shortage – are acting as a brake on firms’ ability to attract staff.

“I personally feel Dublin is overheating a little bit,” says Ronan Murphy, chief executive of Cork-based cybersecurity firm Smarttech.

“If you look at the amount of buildings and office space being built, there is not the same amount of housing to accommodate them.

“When I look at our business, it would be more convenient for me to be based in Dublin, but my entire cost base would skyrocket because the cost of living is so high.”

Previously, Fora reported on how international tech recruiters were facing the challenge of pitching Ireland’s biggest city as a great place to work amid spiralling rental costs.

But it appears Dublin employers may also face fierce competition from companies based in the country’s other major cities.

New data compiled for Fora by jobs website Indeed indicates there has been an increasing number of Dublin-based workers browsing listings for tech jobs in Cork, Galway and Limerick over the past three years.

Since January 2015, there has been a 70% increase in Dublin-based workers looking at tech jobs in Galway, a 53% increase in people looking at similar roles in Cork and 45% increase for Limerick jobs searches.

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Last year, a report from recruitment giant Morgan McKinley also noted that more jobseekers are specifying to recruiters that they are looking for a opportunities outside Dublin.

The apparent eagerness from candidates for opportunities outside the capital – both among Irish-based workers and those coming into the country for work – is something tech firms in the smaller cities are keen to capitalise on.

“Over here in our company, we have a few different sources of talent,” says Barry O’Sullivan, the chief executive of Galway-based customer analytics firm Altocloud.

“We have a big AI research centre in the university and we get a lot of PhDs out of there.

Another source then is what we call ‘escapers’. That represents the people in tech companies in Dublin, not all Irish, who want to move to the west and who are looking for a nicer life and more disposable income.

O’Sullivan says that nearly a third of his company’s 25 employees fall into that “escapers” bracket.

Leaving Dublin

The theme among workers looking to leave Dublin is often the same – a feeling of slowly being priced out, fuelling a desire to relocate to cities where the cost to either rent or buy a home can be less than half that in the capital.

Earlier this month, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar suggested leaving the country to save for a mortgage is an option for young people, but O’Sullivan says they should go west instead.

“The salary is roughly equal, but the cost of living is a lot lower in terms of renting and so on.”

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Eventbrite’s Cork site lead, Amanda Darmody, says she finds many people the firm interviews are looking for a “lifestyle change”.

“I think people are starting to look at things differently. They are looking at lifestyle and making a decision based on what kind of life they want to have,” she says.

They like that Cork is a compact city, it’s very easy to get around and everything is on your doorstep. You don’t have to go very far to be out of the city as well.

She adds that Dublin-based interviewees talk about finding it increasingly hard to get around the capital as traffic snarls and long bus commutes are compounded with changes like the recent launch of the Luas Cross City project.

Another Cork-based tech firm, Teamwork, is also trying to lure workers looking for a better lifestyle and a different culture to that found in a larger, corporate setting.

“I’m seeing that people want to move away from multinationals and go into a startup vibe we have,” says Teamwork recruiter TJ Leahy.

“We’re owned by two software developers, so it’s not a corporate environment at all. I think people appreciate that.

So instead of working in a formal role, you can come and work for us and work your own hours essentially, you don’t need to be in the office nine to five.

At the Limerick office for medtech company Cook Medical, HR manager Carla DiBenedetto has been finding a steady stream of people who come from the region looking to leave Dublin now that there are local work opportunities on offer.

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“We’re in talks with a candidate at the moment who is based in Dublin and she’s looking to relocate to Limerick is because she’s originally from here,” says DiBenedetto.

“Her family is from here and the cost of living in Dublin is very high and she would like to be able to settle down and buy a house. That’s what we’re seeing quite often.”

Perks and benefits

Nevertheless, it’s far from as simple as merely offering jobs and watching the candidates file in – many firms are also rolling out perks in order to attract staff.

Eventbrite, which is looking to double its team in Cork, offers benefits that include €100 a month towards travel expenses, a €40 weekly Deliveroo credit and a €50 ‘wellness reimbursement’.

“They are practical benefits, things people really appreciate rather than just throwing benefits at people,” Darmody says.

“It’s just to make things a little bit easier.

“Everyone has health insurance and a pension as well. And we give more time off so staff can strike the right work-life balance – 25 days plus bank holidays, which is 34 days in total.”

Over in Galway, O’Sullivan’s Altocloud is also going the extra mile to get staff to consider a move to the west.

“We’re a startup, we give everyone shares in the company, and the idea is if some day in the future we sell for a lot of money, everyone would make a lot of money as well.

But we don’t compete with the big multinationals on perks, we don’t have pool tables or free food or anything like that.

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It’s a different approach again for Smarttech in Cork, where Murphy says the focus is on the quality of work for any prospective hires.

We pay well and it’s an enjoyable work environment. But we also work with some of the most sophisticated tech on planet earth. There is not a lot of people doing what we do.

“For example, we were the first company globally to work with IBM Watson for cybersecurity. So if you wanted to work with Watson, you could go to IBM in Atlanta or you could come to us in Cork.

“We find a lot of cyber security professionals want the quality of work. The guys we’re working with don’t have any interest in foosball or pool tables, they want to work at the coalface of cyber and see all the good, bad and the ugly.”

Problems

While lower cost of living is an easy pitch for firms outside Dublin, each of the second-tier cities have their own problems to overcome in attracting staff.

Limerick, for example, is still recovering from its poor image from previous years, according to Cook Medical’s DiBenedetto.

“Historically, Limerick probably didn’t have the best of reputations. There has been a lot of development in the city and it has undergone a transformation which has helped it shake that negative image of the city.

“It’s much more vibrant and there’s much more to do. A huge amount of new companies have set up their operations in the city as well, with a lot of new jobs being created.”

Many of the issues in Limerick, Cork and Galway are similar to those found in Dublin – congestion and a shortage of accommodation – just on a smaller scale.

Galway is suffering from at-times-severe traffic snarls, while Eventbrite’s Darmody says transport infrastructure in Cork also needs a lot of investment.

Sometimes it feels like you need a car to get around. A lot of the people we would be hiring are those who have landed here and they want to live in the city centre or somewhere accessible – they don’t want to need to invest in a car.

And, despite dramatically lower housing costs than Dublin, there remain issues in each of Cork, Galway and Limerick when it comes to housing.

Average asking prices for rental accommodation in all of the cities have risen more than 65% since the trough of the recession.

It’s a problem exacerbated by tech firms trying to outbid one another for the best recruits, according to Murphy of Smarttech.

“(Poaching staff) is going to drive up the cost of doing business and if you do that we become uncompetitive from an FDI (foreign direct investment) perspective.

“So you have a multiple-edged sword, there’s a housing crisis, congestion problem and then the cost-of-doing-business problem.”

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Written by Killian Woods and posted on Fora.ie

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    Dec 4th 2024, 8:56 AM

    Ol granny used say…..’ what’s good for the goose is good for the gander’

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    @Frank Mc Carthy: Make America Gander Again.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:07 AM

    @Frank Mc Carthy: Did this fictitious personage not say ‘What’s *sauce* for the goose …’?

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    @Setanta O’Toole: Make American Trans Gander Again..

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    @If you’re: so back the natives because the natives have a very trans way of living

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    Dec 4th 2024, 11:00 AM

    @Frank Mc Carthy:
    So everyone in America should be let out of jail…

    Everyone should just quote the Hunter Pardon and be let out jail…

    Note: Hunter has been investigated by a special prosectuor team for 6 years for crimes that are not jailable offences for a normal US Citizen. Hunter has cooperated with the investigation and even got a deal with a Trump appointed prosecutor.

    Trump on the other hand interfered with witnesses and refused to acknowledge his guilt. By Trump not admitting guilt, he saying he would break the law again..

    Hunter clearly showed he subject to US Law and trump has shown that he believes he is above the law.

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    @Jack Dermody: Trump is not in jail so whatever you were trying to say is pointless

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:27 AM

    The choice of photo of Trump shows opinion.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:43 AM

    @thomas molloy: Nothing gets past you.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:48 AM

    @Louis Jacob: Well, we never seen an equivalent photo of Kamala Harris in Irish media. Has something changed in the world of supposedly fair journalism. ?

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:56 AM

    @thomas molloy: Have you not seen the video of Kamalla released this week. All the progressive sites showed it. It’s hardly flattering.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 11:02 AM

    @thomas molloy: is there such a thing as a decent picture of trump? He is an elderly and obese perma fake tanned man with a Bet Lynch-esque sweep on his barnet.

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    @thomas molloy: It’s Trump looking mega-smug: a trademark look that his supporters normally love.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:08 AM

    Old Joe must have seen this coming, having left the door wide open for Trump to flaunt.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:26 AM

    @Toyo Ke: When first heard of the pardon, I thought it a bad move, but when review the convictions, jail time is not a normal outcome after pay the IRS back what owed with interest, and the same for applying for a gun while a felon. Unless actually committed a further offence, jail is abnormal.
    We’ve been hearing about all the so-called evidence on Hunter’s laptop for years now without seeing any proof.
    So yeah, I think it was Biden simply exercising some of his remaining power to save his son from dying in jail for things that wouldn’t ordinarily get sent to.jail for.
    The door was already open. Trump would have been trying to do this sort of stuff regardless. He’d already stated his intentions.
    All this changes is the narrative for what was already going to happen.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:30 AM

    @ben wu: Arwa Mahdawi in the Guardian:

    ‘Look, I can certainly understand why Biden wants to protect his child. We all want to protect our children. But one thing Biden’s presidency, and his enabling of what many experts have termed a genocide in Gaza, has made clear is that the law doesn’t protect all children equally. As I write this, the former Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant – who has an active warrant for his arrest from the international criminal court (ICC) – is in New York before meeting with members of the Biden administration. His invitation to the US is essentially a middle finger to international law and the ICC from Biden, who has continuously shielded Israel from facing any sort of accountability. That’s a far bigger deal to me than Biden pardoning Hunter but it’s part of the same problem: a two-tiered justice system that routinely shields the powerful and punishes the powerless. Some people are born Hunters, others prey.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/03/i-understand-why-joe-biden-wants-to-protect-son-hunter-it-doesnt-make-it-right

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:43 AM

    @Toyo Ke: trump pardoned all sorts of cret–inous creatures or have you forgotten that. Even made one of them an ambassador after that.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:06 AM

    @Brendan O’Brien: That’s a fair point as a wider discussion, but not really salient to this topic of pardons.
    USA is not a signatory country to the ICC, neither is Israel.

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    @ben wu: Agreed. The article is worth reading, though, as most of it is salient. I think it was a bad move by Biden.

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    @Brendan O’Brien: It’s not chess. It’s his son’s life. It was the right thing to do. His family have suffered too much for his political ambitions. Any father would do the same.

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    @Louis Jacob: I think the law should be allowed to take its course. Interference like this will only increase people’s disrespect for the law, regardless of the circumstances of this case.

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    @Brendan O’Brien: At that point, it would suggest that presidential pardons in general aren’t a great idea.
    Biden hasn’t done the usual swathe of them yet, so it shows there’s a particular need for this one to happen now.

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    @Dave G Doe: persecution complex for sure.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 12:24 PM

    @Louis Jacob: then why not go through the official channels of pardons office Louis? Why has it been back dated to January 2014? It’s a bad move, as if Joe Biden is ever taken to court Hunter will have to give evidence and will not be able to use the 5th to get out of it. Biden thought he was covering his own back, but this could back fire on him big time

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    @Louis Jacob: How have they suffered for his political ambitions?

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    @ben wu: cause they’re authoritarian countries that cosplay as democracies. They’ll trumpet the ICC when it suits them .

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    Dec 4th 2024, 3:10 PM

    @Paul Hayes: Well, USA was a big player in forming the ICC, but then didn’t want their people subject to the sort of crimes it rules on, so didn’t sign up to it.
    Getting back to topic at hand, it’s worth noting that Trump pardoned 4 Blackwater operatives that were fully responsible for the Nisour Square.17 unarmed civilians killed and another 20 wounded.
    That his Education Secretary was the sister of the CEO of that company, I’m sure had nothing to do with it.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:23 PM

    @Ted Daly: No, I hadn’t forgotten how Trump pardoned plenty of critters days before leaving the office last time, still, the card played right into Trumps hand

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:25 AM

    First thing Trump should do is Pardon the George Floyd cops.

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    @Dan Murphy: The murder charges are state charges and cannot be pardoned by the POTUS. Typical grasp of law for a Trumper you have.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:30 AM

    Trump pardoned a dozen drug traffickers, bypassed and ignored the DoJ’s input, pardoned dozens of republican elected officials, business cronies, lawyers, friends, donors and campaign officials. He promised to pardon January 6th criminals who beat cops. I don’t care about Biden pardoning his last remaining son.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 1:19 PM

    @Jack Hayes: he pardoned himself by pardoning his son. All those dodgy deals and shakedowns with big businesses in Asia and Ukraine that Hunter fronted. He always referred to the big guy, like ” the big guy said he’ll do it, ” or ” I spoke to the big guy and he signed off on going ahead with the transaction”. Biden and his son are as bent and crooked as an S hook. That’s why Biden back dated the pardon.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:59 AM

    It’s nothing compared to what trump is going to do when he gets back to the office, but that’s what the American people voted for.

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    @Philip Slevin: Yes, soon to be known as Adolf Trump.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:33 AM

    So many people cleaned up on Trump, all my bets came up plus i laid the corpse & Harris. Happy days. A fella in France had 28 million on Trump, wise man.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:46 AM

    @Robert Bell: what a clown comment. Imagine being happy a multiple sexual assaulter of women, convincted felon, bankruptee, failed former president, carpet bagged, draft dodger, serial liar and golfer of over 25% of his last shambles back in the oval office. Maybe he can ask questions like can we nuke the next hurricane again or perhaps finally learn what a tariff is. Appalling stuff.

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    @Louis Jacob: Unless you mean you had sex with a corpse.

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    @Ted Daly: You OK Hun.

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    @Robert Bell: so you’ve got a gambling problem.
    Thanks for letting us all know.
    Sad.

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    @Fergus O’Donnell: He sure does. He doesn’t seem to know how it works.

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    @Louis Jacob: I guess you do not know how Betfair works!! You can bet & lay on same horse, match, whatever. I backed Trump at 7-1 nothing dopey about that! plus laid the corpse @ 6-4 & harris just under evens.

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    @Robert Bell: Betfair is accused in the UK of recently driving one young man to suicide… With their behaviour I mean obviously some personal responsibility comes in but it sounds quite shady

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:06 AM

    Pardon my French but f… Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

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    @Anthony Curran: Now you said it. Two slieveens is all they are. But what the boys on here spend their morning getting all butthurt about them.

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    @Louis Jacob: *watch

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    “No one’s above the law”… sure, for us lowly saps.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 8:55 AM

    Shocker.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:43 AM

    @Setanta O’Toole: trump pardoned some serious traitors. Behave.

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    @Ted Daly: Good man Ted.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:59 AM

    Biden has now given Trump complete free reign for Trump to pardon Don Jr for all the pints he pretended to pay for for the locals in Doonbeg a few years ago.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:47 AM

    These pardons are ridiculous regardless of who issues themselves. Pardoning one’s self is an act of a guilty man.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 1:07 PM

    As if Trump wasn’t gonna push for himself to be excused while Jailing Hunter for as long as possible anyways.
    Trump is a horrible excuse for a human being

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    Dec 4th 2024, 10:35 AM

    Putin’s B Achoo.

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    @Fidgenti: I could do without reading the same identical information that has already been reported elsewhere.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 12:12 PM

    @Jack Hayes: That doesn’t really answer the question I asked.

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    @Fidgenti: Not much of a story until there’s a name.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 1:33 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: The withholding of the name seems a bit suspicious.Maybe someone is afraid releasing the name might be injurious to the establishment of a new government.

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    Dec 5th 2024, 12:02 AM

    @Derek O Gorman: have you been writing homophobic comments again or u taking a break

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    Dec 4th 2024, 3:06 PM

    How many of the same cowards who ‘elected’ Michael Lowry would back a Trump? Let’s face it. Inverted commas because I’m sorry but if people believe that Lowry was always democratically elected… Hah !

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    Dec 4th 2024, 9:04 AM

    Pardon Ross Ulbricht.

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    Dec 4th 2024, 11:11 PM

    As much as I dislike him, he for once has a point. Did not see the rationale in Biden “pardoning” his son.

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