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Clive Gee

Has The Sun stopped publishing photos of topless women on page 3?

There are lots of reports but the head of PR for the tabloid has called it ‘speculation’.

Updated 5pm

THERE ARE REPORTS that The Sun has stopped publishing pictures of topless models on page three.

The newspaper has not published a picture of a topless model on page three since Friday – after 44 years of doing so.

The Sun faced pressure from anti-sexism campaigners, politicians and student bodies claiming it was sexist.

The paper is owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News UK and Murdoch himself described it as “old fashioned” last year.

The Guardian has reported that it had spoken to “a series of insiders” who said the feature has been dropped.

While The Times – which has the same publisher as The Sun – reported that the tabloid decided to quietly drop the feature.

However, the head of PR for the tabloid, David Sharpe, is tweeting about the reports calling them ‘speculation’:

However, very little clarity has been given by the paper on the issue:

A petition to stop The Sun publishing Page 3 gathered more than 217,000 signatures.

The No More Page 3 protest group wrote a message on its Facebook page which read:

Wow..we’re hearing the Sun may have dropped Pg3. This could be truly historic news and a great day for people power… We don’t know the details for sure and there’still lots to be done… But this could be a huge step for challenging media sexism.

Today’s edition features Hollyoaks actresses running along a beach in their bikinis. However, readers are told to go online to see “Page 3 Lucy from London”.

The Irish edition of The Sun dropped Page 3 in 2013. The Sun’s Irish editor, Paul Clarkson, told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland last year that he was listening to readers and that there were ‘cultural differences’ between Ireland and Britain.

He also said his decision was commercial and was about the need to retain sales and the possibility of attracting new buyers.

The news has seen huge comment online, with a range of opinions:

A Fine Gael councillor who criticised ‘feminazis’ for the change later apologised for his comments.

What do you think of the move?


Poll Results:

It shouldn't be banned (1051)
I don't mind either way (870)
I support a Page 3 ban (654)

Additional reporting by Aoife Barry

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    Mute P Quinn
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    Jun 4th 2019, 8:42 PM

    Articles like this the night before the exams don’t help!

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:44 AM

    @P Quinn: you think they are on the Journal? Xbox/Playstaion morelike!

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    Mute Sheila Teehan
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    Jun 5th 2019, 10:25 AM

    @GerryCummins: the country must be full of psychology quacks of every shape, make and creed. You cannot read a publication of any type without coming across an article on stress or anxiety to the point where kids are now being brainwashed to believing that they are nothing unless they are affected in some way. Just leave them , each to their own ways.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 8:43 PM

    Leaving cert is brilliant, keeps 60,000 teenagers off the streets for 12months and it keeps 25,000 otherwise unemployable teachers off the dole.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:05 PM

    @Adolf Galland: Ouch that’s just mean. Great the hear you’ve such a high opinion of Ireland’s youth and the professionals educating them. As a special ed teacher how do you figure I’m otherwise unemployable?

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    Mute Kate Ní Bhriain MhicAodha
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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:38 PM

    @Adolf Galland: well educated thanks. I decided to be a teacher but am not otherwise unemployable

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    Jun 4th 2019, 11:00 PM

    @Adolf Galland: I’m baffled it seems 70 people agreed with that comment as ridiculous as it is.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 11:02 PM

    @Seaniecp: spend much time on here?

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:15 PM

    Id never go back to that stress again- rather my 9-5 job than sit the leaving cert. I still have the odd nightmare that I’m sitting in the exam hall, aged 45 and trying to remember how I ended up back in school and taking some obscure subject, that I haven’t a breeze about .

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:29 PM

    @Stoneybroke: me too and I’m a frickin teacher

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    Jun 4th 2019, 8:36 PM

    Time to get rid of the leaving cert it’s to stressful for kids now a day. Every student should just be allowed to apply for what ever course they want to do in college with out the need for points.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 8:49 PM

    @Humphrey Harold Haddington: Think of the failure rate in 1st year! One of the main reasons behind LC stress is that it is the first time any student does an exam which actually has consequences. What happens to a 6th class student who is only borderline literate? Nothing, they go to Secondary School. What happens to a student who fails JC Maths? Nothing, they go on to LC Maths.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:01 PM

    @Humphrey Harold Haddington: and reap

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:03 PM

    @G Manning: apologies…and replace it with what? Not disagreeing but needs an alternative. Any kid can apply for any course, doesn’t mean they get it of course. Are u saying any student should get whatever they want regardless of ability?

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:06 PM

    @Humphrey Harold Haddington: ridiculous statement.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:16 PM

    @G Manning: people should be allowed to become what ever they want to be, why do we put barriers in front of them. The cure to cancer may well be trapped inside the mind of a kid who didnt get six hundred points in their leaving cert but yet because of that they cannot study medicine.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:28 PM

    @Humphrey Harold Haddington: so everyone should be doctors/architects etc etc? What happens when 95% + drop out cos they can’t cut it??? The only thing in the majority of people’s way is ability and application. Your position is just ridiculous, dangerous if it wasn’t too silly and amusingly uninformed. Any active involvement in education?

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:29 PM

    @Humphrey Harold Haddington: and then what? Just let everyone qualify in whatever they want to be without the need for college exams, which in my experience are 100 times more stressful? There has to be some system to differentiate between people, and the leaving cert is definitely one of the fairest ways out there

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    Mute Bruce van der Gutschmitzer
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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:41 PM

    @COYBIG: hell of a lot more pressure in the leaving cert. Its end of the world stuff at sucj a young age. You can repeat college exams. That safety net is at the back of your mind when you’re wrecked after pullin all nighters and the end of year Ball is around the corner.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:31 PM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: absolutely true. Only country where you can fail one level and go on to the next. Like the Driving test. Teachers been battling this one for years. And kids are total snowflakes nowadays. Total meltdown when the phone is taken off them.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:33 PM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: you can repeat the LC

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:36 PM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: from personal experience I’d disagree but I believe most people who do tough college courses will agree that college exams are a lot more stressful than the leaving cert

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    Jun 4th 2019, 11:51 PM

    @mr magoo: you’ve to go through another year of hell to repeat though whereas you can repeat your college exams a couple of months later. I repeated and hated every minute of it as my friends text me to visit them. Got me to where I am now but fack doin that again.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 11:54 PM

    @COYBIG: the subject matter may be more difficult depending on what you’re studying or indeed easier but the whole experience at that age is torture. At least in college you’re doing something that gives u direction and u have an interest in.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:33 PM

    I am the parent of a Leaving Cert and a Junior Cert student starting tomorrow.
    I am more stressed then they are, mostly to ensure they get to their schools on time!!!
    I will be glad when it is over and we can finally have a holiday…since they have been working since January, especially pre’s, Leaving Cert orals, projects etc.

    Really hope it goes well for everyone!!

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:52 PM

    @Seeking Truth: hope your and all other students take the exams as calmly as possible and achieve to their potential.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:21 PM

    At least it’s not sunny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:00 PM

    Aaaa God love them. We all had the stress. Wait until they have to get a job and buy a house

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:21 AM

    @David Saunders:
    True!
    They have little to be stressed about compared to what will lie ahead.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:19 PM

    Why don’t we close down social media for the Leaving Certificate, and while we are at it, the third level college exams

    All this talk of stress is ridiculous, went for a walk or played sport would be much better than stuck on a smart phone, snow flakes the whole lot. Sure the LC has been dumbed down, you can’t even fail now

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:30 PM

    @Peter Byrne: agreed but no it hasn’t and yes you can

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:47 PM

    @Peter Byrne: you can’t really call them snowflakes when we’ve created the beast of social media and smartphones. They’re a product of their environment.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:17 PM

    @Peter Byrne: you definitely can fail the leaving cert. most of us wouldn’t be able for higher level maths, for what I can see, I know I wouldn’t…

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:47 PM

    @Peter Byrne: and you sir are exactly what is wrong with the older generation in Ireland. It’s no wonder kids are killing themselves in droves with your attitude.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 11:04 PM

    @Dermot Foley: sympathies to any family it affects but unless ur definition of droves differs from most that’s some mad exaggeration

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:46 AM

    @Dermot Foley: in droves? Exaggerate much?

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:29 AM

    @GerryCummins: a young lad in my club just killed himself. My partner had two girls in her school try to commit suicide in the one day last week. She’s seen a steady increase in kids self harming and attempting suicide. Compared to 20/30 years ago self harm and suicide is off the charts I would assume.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 10:10 AM

    @G Manning: Actually you can’t fail your LC anymore. The concept of passing or failing your LC hasn’t existed in about 20 years. You just get a statement of your results, each subject graded O or H and 1 to 8. No pass or fail.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 3:28 PM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: semantics. You can fail individual subjects and passing less than 5 is seen as failing your LC

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:45 PM

    From an early age, kids should be taught how to deal with failure. Let them find out that people who fail at something are also learning something which will help them in their next effort. The idea that kids must be protected from anything approaching failure in case it upsets them is absolute nonsense.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:12 PM

    The LC needs reform but awaiting a practical path to doing so. Think the increase in stress is more associated with the social media echo chamber and lack of coping skills than any increase in difficulty or importance.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:29 PM

    Who benefits from this rubbish? Whereas all of the charities mentioned aboe are wonderful and do great work. I believe that we are seeing a huge rise in the number of people ‘suffering from stress’. What do you expect? Everywhere they look young people are been bombarded with stories about stress, mindfulness etc etc etc. A who industry has emerged that survives on the basis that we have all developed mental health issues that need their product. It’s normal to be stressed. It’s terrible for those with mental health issues that they are now lumped in with people about to sit an exam.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:04 PM

    Social media being blamed again.

    The entire population is probably more anxious but it is down to what we eat, drink & breath.

    We cannot eat food adulterated with preservatives & flavour enhancers (that we didn’t evolve with) to not have concequences for our physical & mental health.

    Ditto for fuel vapours, diesel exhaust & emissions from some plastics.

    Our modern environment is causing inappropriate immune responses in many of us and triggering a sensation of anxiety that is being confused with an emotion.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:01 PM

    @Chemical Brothers: If you believe that, you are beyond redemption.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:44 PM

    @Yzo Sirrius: it’s fairly valid. The huge increase in Alzheimers and dementia and cancer is most likely environmental factors since we’ve moved away from working the land with our bare hands horses and eating our own produce.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:11 AM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: no, much of the increase is due to more of us reaching old age. More of us are now getting to see old age probably because we aren’t burning out our bodies ‘working the land with our bare hands’.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:12 AM

    @Chemical Brothers: This doesn’t explain why more kids are anxious today than those who went through the system in the 80s, 90s, 00s. Many of whom who were exposed to much more toxic chemicals.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:39 AM

    @Chris Healy: that’s a contributing factor too no doubt. But tell that to the 36 Yr old woman with early onset dementia in my granny’s nursing home. Dementia has shown to be increasing dramatically the last decade and will hit epidemic proportions in 20 years.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 8:36 PM

    Blame the parents.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:02 PM

    @Andy Dwyer: stupid comment

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:03 PM

    @Andy Dwyer: i think that the era of social media and connected devices just gives more oxygen to the stress – there was never a time that people taking lc weren’t anxious – there was just no outlet to talk it up like nowadays- so maybe its the first reality check for 18 year olds that life’s journey needs a bit of effort – no harm – times are changing and no doubt some modernization will creep into lc in years ahead….ya can be sure every year the same ” oh the stress” story will be repeated regardless around this time…

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:44 PM

    @Dave Hammond: therein lies the problem-social media. Kids are more anxious with the constant accessibility to social media and the effort needed to keep up appearances. Kids can’t shut off as easy as older generations. Throw a high pressure situation on an image obsessed yet highly insecure teen and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:36 AM

    @Andy Dwyer: blame Donald trump everyone else does

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    Jun 4th 2019, 10:31 PM

    Having flashbacks and nightmares decades later is the same thing that war veterans have from PTSD. Guys this isn’t normal. I don’t think people in other countries get PDST from their education system. We need to stop thinking this is normal.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 6:09 AM

    There in for a big fright when they leave school then they will know stress

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    Jun 5th 2019, 3:35 AM

    Young people are under huge stress than ever before .I was a school guidance counsellor in Dundalk for nearly 30 years.I have never seen our young people being under such stress and anxiety than I do at the present time .
    Guidance counsellors play a key role in schools helping young people as a support.They play a vital role in looking after the mental well being of our young people.However in the budget of 2012 Ruairi Quinn nearly decimated the service with cuts .IThere have been small moves to row back on the cuts.But even still a second level school can not have a full time counsellor unless it has a minimum of 700 students.The cuts are still crippling the service.Shame on Ruaidi Quinn , Labour and Fine Gael for. what they did and on FF.fir not reversing the cuts completly as promised

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:34 AM

    @Gerry Malone: their actions have led to kids killing themselves. They have blood on their hands. My partners school has 1 guidance counsellor for 1300 children. She barely gets a break or lunch as they queue up outside her office in need of help. She’s only just after being given her full time dedicated position at that. Our education system is a joke.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 4:18 AM

    I would dearly loved to have had Leaving cert Stress.
    I had to wait until I was 24 to get the equivalent for which I paid my own tuition fees at night school.

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    Jun 4th 2019, 9:14 PM

    i didn’t blame social media…..i said that it merely gives oxygen to the number of discussions about the ‘stress’ – we were eating mc donalds and driving diesel cars and in fact before the coal ban in dublin the air quality was actually far far worse than today….’inappropropriate immune responses’ me hole – such horse shit…..

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    Jun 5th 2019, 10:51 AM

    Most over rated exam you will ever do. Unfortunately it’s not until a few yrs later that you realise how insignificant it is.

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    Mute Marian Wedgbury
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    Jun 5th 2019, 1:52 AM

    Pity offer no finincial support to leaving Cert students, they get no child benefit iif they turn 18 before or during leaving Cert year. It seems the government expect them to survive on nothing during such a difficult year. Regina Doherty and Katherine Zappone need to support the youth.

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