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Updated at 9.18pm
THERE HAVE BEEN warnings to take new research on a link between processed red meat and cancer with a pinch of salt.
The new findings from the World Health Organisation show that 50g of meat a day – which is around two slices of ham – could increase a person’s chances of colorectal cancer by 18%.
However, this is relative to the overall slice of the population that suffer from the condition.
Speaking on the Today with Sean O’Rourke programme, Professor Hugh Mulcahy, consultant gastroenterologist at St Vincent’s Hospital, said:
“You’ve got to start off with the fact that about 5 out of 100 Irish people will get colorectal cancer at some stage in their life. So the risk of getting colorectal cancer is about 5%. This increases the risk by 18%, but it is a risk of the 5% that it is increased by.
So it has increased from around 5% to just under 6%.
Warning
This follows Irish farmers issuing a warning against a knee-jerk response to yesterday’s World Health Organisation report linking processed red meat to cancer.
The research found the risk of colorectal cancer was higher in people who consume large amounts of these meats. Irish Farmers Association president Eddie Downey said similar reports have ‘come and gone’ before in the past.
“Quite simply, everything is bad for you at this stage,” he told Newstalk Breakfast.
Remember butter, a few years ago, we were told it was bad for you, and butter sales collapsed, milk prices collapsed. Now they tell us that butter is good for us. That’s the same people making the same statements.
Downey believes a controlled response is needed to limit damage to the Irish beef industry “if we manage it right, don’t have an over-reaction to it and let’s see how it runs out”.
If we take a balanced view on these things, have a balanced diet, everything in moderation, I don’t think there’s any difficulty in this.
Changing guidelines
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, chief specialist in public health nutrition with the Food Safety Authority Dr Mary Flynn said the agency will issue revisions to its current guidelines if necessary following a review of the data.
Flynn noted that the current guidelines recommend that the public vary sources of protein in their diet, and that red meat shouldn’t be consumed more than three times a week.
She added that it would be misleading to say that the study means the risk of cancer from processed meats is the same as that from asbestos or smoking, but rather the amount.
A statement from the HSE read:
As this report is quite detailed and complex, it will require careful consideration by the HSE to determine what action, if any, is needed regarding changes to nutritional plans for public health services.
The Department of Health has also issued advice on eating meat. It said the WHO findings have been sent to an expert group for their consideration.
It said new revised Healthy Eating Guidelines will be issued by the end of 2015.
In the meantime, it said consumers should consult the Food Safety Authority of Ireland which has published guidance following the WHO report. Their guidelines are available here.
The department added:
Meat is an important source of protein, iron and vitamins. Eating healthy food and being physically active will help to improve health. The most important goal is to try to eat a balanced diet.
The World Health Organisation’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) analysed 800 studies from around the world and found that processed meats such as sausages, ham, and hot dogs cause bowel cancer, and red meat “probably” does too.
It placed processed meat into its Group 1 category of carcinogens. Other substances in the group include alcohol, asbestos and tobacco.
Australia’s agriculture minister ridiculed the landmark report, saying it was “a farce” to suggest they could be as lethal as cigarettes.
“I don’t think that we should get too excited that if you have a sausage you’re going to die of bowel cancer because you’re not,” Barnaby Joyce said. “You just don’t want to live on sausages.”
- First published 10am
Additional reporting by Christina Finn, Michael Sheils Mcnamee and AFP.
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The rashers I bought last week had cancer in them at one stage, but the package said they were cured now
Bravo Sir
unsmoked rashers are healthier too . no tar or nicotine
Beef has more carnitine in it than anything else. Some good science had linked the git bacteria that digests carnitine to a hardening of the arteries due to a chemical they give off digesting carnitine. Look it up you’ll find it.
Rarely eat beef or sausages, no harm once or twice a month.
but the smoked ones are tastier ;)
Too much of anything is generally bad,
A good balanced diet is all you need
The problem is that most people don;t understand what a balanced diet is.
The NHS have been recommending that people eat 70g of red meat a day. http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/red-meat.aspx
I am fairly sure if you stopped people on the street and asked them what constitutes 70g of meat in their daily diet they would struggle to give you a clear answer.
I certainly didn’t until I looked it up.
Everyone knows that ALL processed food is not the best food to be eating. This big sudden hullabaloo is nothing more than preparing the public for the big Paris conference in December by the UN – and their agenda 2030 (formally agenda 21) which is the eventual plan to ban meat consumption – as it is not sustainable under green religious ideology. I would encourage people to inform themselves on you tube or wherever about UN agenda 2030 – and see what is being planned for them, and their children and children’s children.
http://youtu.be/KeE38KBf3mI
Just wait until TTIP is rammed through and the market is flooded with cheap poisonous crap from american food producers. Their chicken would make our beef look like salad, its pumped so full of hormones and chemicals .Then again these days even vegetables are sprayed with so many pesticides that a diet of veggies alone might kill you too. Maybe this anouncement is to prepare us for the inevitable truth…..eating is gonna kill ya
Here is a story from 2008…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/4031158/Marinating-steak-in-beer-or-wine-reduces-cancer-chemicals.html
I think the occurrence of heart disease from eating too many sausages and rashers is far more likely than the risk of cancer.
Keep thinking that….
Where’s your proof Mr.Quill
The link between eating too many saturated animal fats , too much salt, strokes and heart disease has been well documented, I’m not going to publish a paper here, do your own research.
Your ideas on saturated fats are outdated. You’re right about the salt though. http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/healthy-eating/nutrition/good-and-bad-fats/
Next thing they’ll tell us is the air we breath isn’t good for us… Oh wait!
wait?
yep, 400 000 premature deaths in Europe each year are caused by air pollution.
It wasn’t that long ago when the scientific community first warned about the danger of smoking, then the warning that smoking ’caused’ cancer. It remains the number 1 cancer killer in Ireland – and number 2? Bowel cancer.
I’m a cancer survivor – bowel cancer that spread to my liver. I’m doing good now, but I must say for most of my life I devoured processed meats. I’m not a one man cancer study but I know I contributed by lifestyle choices to getting cancer.
Have a laff – but I can only hope there are those that take it serious. Remember the cigarette makers fought for years claiming there was no link between smoking and cancer.
Glad to read your comment John. I’m quite surprised by the publics reaction to this report. I think many people have not read the actual findings, otherwise they would realise it’s quite a landmark report based on over 800 studies some of which spanned 20 years.
Totally agree with you John, if anyone commenting negatively here had first hand experience or cared for anyone who suffered this type of cancer their tune would certainly change and they would sit up and take heed of the warnings, the studies are not there to scare and they are not saying hey if you eat this you will get cancer and die, all they are doing is informing the public of their findings, the rest is up to the individual whether they listen or not. I am so pleased you conquered that cancer, unfortunately my mam wasn’t so lucky, she passed away one year ago next month. Never smoked or drank alcohol, but God, did she love her fry ups and bacon and cabbage and ham in her sambos. She had three forms of cancer each unrelated to either of the others, none of which were hereditary, it can’t be just bad luck, in my mind diet had to have played a major role. I for one have taken notice and I hope others do too. Best of luck for the future John.
Cigarette companies make billions as does the meat industry but with animals it depends on what they are fed on, exposed to and treated for. These chemicals can be in the meat then before those poisonous preservatives are added to them even high levels of salt have been linked now to stomach cancer and even diabetes.
Then if you fry it on the pan the C8 used to make Teflon is cancer causing… Then burning the meat is cancer causing, a high protein diet is cancer causing etc etc…
The plastic that the meat is in is linked to hormone imbalances and also to cancer etc etc, so all these stages might just add to each other in a bad way?
People are pissed off with this because everywhere you look there is some story telling you that this is bad, and will kill you – then later its all good again.
I blame the media with poorly researched health supplements/pieces in talk shows etc and stories which are much more about selling newspapers etc than any real health advice.
This of course does not mean that this story is not true (though i suspect the same hysterical media has beat up the story to a large degree) but it makes it harder for people to believe or accept anything they say
Never a truer word spoken Michael. I ate true organic meat and veg as a kid on holiday here in Ireland, had a friend whose father was the local butcher who as a small holder farmer/butcher killed his own (I bore witness to one) tastes completely different to what the supermarkets claim organic to be these days. Takes over 25 years (or so I’ve learned) to make the earth that the cattle graze upon and that the veg is grown in truly organic.
*Takes over 25 years of pesticide free, damn.
Pesticides, plastics and preservatives… now. And C8 used to make Teflon, and that is the cancer causing C8… from pans?
It is a packed consumer led world Molly…
Red meat “probably” does too!
Make up your mind, some people are told to eat more red meat but now they are saying it might cause cancer?!
Everything in moderation.
I’d say it’s more to do with the massive amount of chemicals used in the production of certain foods today.
Epidemiological and experimental research is pointing to “heme iron” being one of the important factors.
Heme is a type of Iron in meat and that is unrelated to chemicals added to food.
The catch all of “those damn chemicals” does not appear relevant here.
There is an interesting anthropological theory that red meat, particularly beef, has always been carcinogenic despite the fact that it has played a huge role in the development of the human species. The ability to hunt for and eat red meat is seen as a key element of the development of our greater brain power, however the cancer was never really an issue because most people did not live long enough to develop it anyway.
Meat industry is as big as the cig industry or even bigger, so you never know as they always said a high protein diet was bad for you?
Then there is the dangerous risks from burned Teflon?
http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-food/duPont-chemical-C8-non-stick-Teflon-cookware-cancer-causing-chemicals.php
Of course it’s the food we eat. Everything these days is forced to grow. It’s the sprays the fertilisers on the food. This has all a knock on affect to the food we eat each day. That’s why more and more people has cancer compared to years ago.
And yet life expectancy has doubled it the last 200 years. How long do these feckers want to live? Should we eat dust?
True Kevin. And are we not carnivores? We’re built to eat meat.
We are not carnivores. Look up the definition of carnivore
On behalf of vegetarians everywhere I just want to say:
WHO’S LAUGHING NOW?
who?
On behalf of all non vegetarians everywhere I just want to say: We are laughing….at you!
On behalf of meat eaters everywhere let me be the first to remind you that our food shits on your food!
is that rhetorical? a pompous vegetarian, well I never!!!!!
Textured vegetable protein?
Yup, I’m still laughing at vegetarians. I may die younger, but at least I lived. Enjoy your celery, I’ll enjoy my bacon sandwiches.
I’ve never seen a vegetarian laugh, they always seem so miserable in themselves. A good rasher sambo could change all that
Well done on the display of smugness and self righteousness in vegetarians that the majority of the population I’m sure are only too familiar with.
Marty – vegetarians have a 20% higher life expectancy than carnivores (human).
Yes I imagine if a human ate a carnivorous diet it would be very bad for them, with the lack for fruit, veg and carbs. Have never heard of any doing so though, so not sure how your statistics were complied.
On behalf of meat eaters everywhere, I’d like to point out that I enjoyed my breakfast this morning.
Absolutely true Lou. My daughter was a happy go lucky, divil may care individual until she met and married a vegetarian and became one herself. Now she’s a miserable, dour, ultra PC party pooper who is totally out of tune with the rest of the family. Now her kids are following the same path, absolutely devoid of a sense of play. The one common factor is vegetarianism.
@Martin crap, I don’t like the way they wouldn’t let their children decide whether or not they’d like to eat me. As it is a personal choice, I dunno why they’d enforce it on their kids.
haha, what a fookin typo!
there were many, man
Seriously?you think that’s funny?…you smug pr#ck!…glad you enjoyed the laugh,now consider all the people that have cancer,including me who found that comment in sickeningly bad taste..
It’s like a religion Who’s Yer Man, we even have separate pans and grills just in case anything might be contaminated with animal fat. Has to be seen to be properly appreciated.
I have to say I do know many non-preachy vegetarians too. A relative of mine when eating out told us order a pizza with meat if we wanted, she’d just pick it off. These people are just less visible.
@ she’s not that strict so. Any vegetarians I know wouldn’t touch it if parts of an animal did
If your daughter really is miserable it’s probably not down to vegetarianism. Is she upset all the time or just when you are passing judgement on her diet & parenting choices? If we all lived as the previous generation did there would be no progress- try being a little open minded?
It’s not the meat itself that causes the cancer it is the additives used in processing, the ‘salts’ ie; the nitrites and nitrates, these have been shown to be seriously carcinogenic, on a par with tobacco and asbestos. Over 95% of all processed meats, ham sausages bacon salami cured chicken slices etc contain these additives, and probably many more processed meats. They are used in the curing process, and they do really cause cancer.
I think you are wrong there. The tests were carried out on untreated meats and from one of the reports I was reading last night it stated that it had something to do with the natural colouring in the meats. I haven’t seen a single article saying it had anything to do with additives. of course all the extra salt etc isn’t good for you but it’s not what this study was based on
I can’t remember ever being told butter was good for us, what I can remember is being told that compared to the processes used to make some spreads, it may not be as bad as them.
The chemical processing aids used for preserving meat such as sodium nitrate and sodium nitrite ignite cancer cells growth. Maybe time to eat healthier, less processed meat but we will have to accept a higher production cost
Don’t believe all the rubbish you read about nitrates being the devils work! There’s more nitrates in your saliva than in your breakfast rasher!
Stay safe by buying local, from your butcher rather than the big supermarkets like Tesco, Aldi, Dunnes etc..
If Irish farmers want to protect there business, let them open up more farm shops selling meats and veg without over processing that you find in mass production..
The Heme Iron in unprocessed meat is one of the factors that may be contributing to colorectal cancer.
http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/4/2/177.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23983135
etc.
Ah if you were to stop eating everything they scare you over we’d all be anorexic. Sure even the water isn’t safe according to some
No, we wouldn’t “all be anorexic”.
Sigh….
@ Eileen if by the real meaning of the term anorexic you mean underweight or malnourished, possibly but very unlikely. Don’t insult those who battle with anorexia nervosa however. It’s a psychological disorder and not as a result of research findings on beef and bacon!
Anorexia doesn’t mean malnourished or underweight; it means without appetite. It comes from the Greek words ‘an’ (meaning without) and ‘orexis’ (meaning appetite).
Anorexia Nervosa, the psychological condition, means nervous lack of appetite and is, as you say, completely different. When you get a cold or ‘flu and can’t face food, you are suffering with anorexia.
tis a rasher not bacon..we’re fuping Irish. Christ above
We? Mullet – type for yourself m8…
where does the WHO say butter is now good for us?
Third line in the second verse of ‘Won’t get fooled again’.
“Everything in moderation” is not the answer, it’s about fresh unpolluted products, that were not shipped half way across the globe.
Messing around with any food to increase margins is not going to be good for you, if you can, stay sway from processed or tinned foods. Even clean your veg and fruit before eating, they are pre-sprayed to increase the shine
Everything is not bad for you and ignorance isn’t an excuse to prevent bettering our diet. Fruit, Vegetables, fresh chicken and fish are all very good for you.
Fruit is bad for your teeth. Roasted vegetables can be carcinogenic. Fish, depends on where it is from, I’d personally steer well clear of any North Pacific fish after Fukushima. Chicken, I’ve seen more horror stories about chicken processing than any other meatstuff.
Again, everything in moderation. Or grow your own.
Next time you buy a lettuce,check where its grown,most are shipped from Kenya and are sprayed with a chemical preservative to keep them “crispy and fresh”..same for most vegetables imported…funnily enough the Chernobyl radiation cloud that swept in over Scotland,Northern Ireland,and the west coast of Ireland never gets a mention,even though the sale of mountain lamb was eventually taken of the market for three years because they had soaked up so much radiation from the grass,all these areas have a much higher rate of cancer,mainly prostrate cancer,than areas not affected..
What the article fails to mention in its bid for sensationalism is that the most at risk sector of the community only has a 0.6% chance of developing bowel cancer over a ten year period. The excessive consumption of processed meat increases that to 0.7%.
“sensationalism”? How ’bout increasing awareness — the basis of the claims are hard facts. Do your own study — share the results …
The figures I quoted are the WHO’s own, who am I to argue with them?I love the typically unrealistic demands for the layman to “do his own study”. Why not share the results of your own independent survey for debate.
I did …. see above….
If your not eating it everyday your fine, don’t see the big deal
Best way to have long and fruitful life is don’t eat anything! Oh wait…..
wait…!
Barack Obama banned Trans Fats, used in processed foods, from 2018 for all 350 million US citizens. Suspect they know something! EU thinking about it. Irish food Safety Authority ….silent.
Avoiding Trans Fats can completely reverse Diabetes Type 2 in about 7 months.
This research suggests that Trans Fats (engineered fat German patent 141029), used in processed foods, could be the root cause of Alzheimer’s Disease. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3347702/
According to the report nearly ten times as many people died as a result of cancer caused by alcohol, didn’t hear of a single person giving up the booze.
I’d wonder about the impartiality of the WHO and indeed the lobbyists for the Meat Industry. It would be amazing if there was not some ‘bias’ in this WHO report
This a is a recent modus operandi – rather than attack a food sector directly, tell consumers that they risk death by eating the products and I’ve seen this work effectively in the fishing sector where they shut down an entire fishing community using chemical content to dissuade buyers . The issue of global warming and methane from cattle certainly was brought up in recent years so it is no surprise that academics would certainly overplay risks on meat consumption in some shape or form.
I’m wondering whether there findings tally in any way with countries that eat a lot of processed meat.. As in Mediterranean countries and their cured hams and sausages. Now we need a good ole veg scare. We know that the likes of our airmiles Brocolli and cauliflower etc are not the same thing as those eaten 50 years ago when it comes to nutrients and chemicals, so bring it on. I’m also heartened by the fact that the chance of dying by rasher cancer is less than basically every other common demise you can think of. Next it will be food grown in polytunnels killing us as industries fight back. I prefer to just enjoy the remains of the day.
Hot dog ingredients:
Ear holes
Eye holes
Arse holes
it’s the cheap processed meats like hot dogs sausages that cause cancer retail and consumers are not willing to pay for quality locally produced food form the butcher or farmers market
We knew that more than 20 years ago- why the surprise now?
I bet the supermarkets will have some great offers on sausages and bacon over the next few weeks. I remember during the BSE days I was able to get a couple of T-bones for cheap. This media hysteria is usually created by an arts graduate writing about stuff they can’t understand.
I wouldn’t worry. At the current rate of immigration Ireland will be 60% muslim in a few years.
A future government will simply ban ham and pork products due to religious reasons.
Problem solved.
Some of the comments, where’s Trigger when you need him?
fruit and water are as bad !!!
Journal is so Crap, really two of the most viral things to Hit Ireland today and they don’t have a sniff of them,
the moose White lodge and Vipers Adele’s calling me
So the rest of the world is enjoying this Irish Humour and the journal is writing about a Goat working for Australia
bomb squad.
A shake up of staff is needed
I’m just glad that Doner meat hasn’t been mentioned, I know lamb has, but lets face it, by the time it appears in front of you at two in the morning, tis a long time since it said baaa . Long live the kebab
My Great Grandmother used to eat chips from Fusco’s on Thomas street almost every day, the days when she didn’t get them out of Leo Burdocks! She had a fried egg for her breakfast every morning, full fat milk in her tea. She lived in place that had possibly the worst air quality in Ireland, lived near a glue factory and a brewery, she lived to 100, her neighbours lived to be ripe old ages too, most well into their nineties!
People to day are just too soft!
I don’t know about all that but jaysus, that picture of those sausages is making me hungry.
Don’t you just hate this half arsed reports of reports!
“For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal cancer because of their consumption of processed
meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed.. The experts concluded that each 50 gram portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18%”
‘ “These findings further support current public health recommendations to limit intake of meat,”says Dr
Christopher Wild, Director of IARC.’(WHO)
So people, no need to worry yourselves further if you have been heeding the warnings about meat.
No mention of horse meat!
What does Jim Corr have to say about this?
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